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Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
I might have to ride down my SV650 down to show you drat Harley owners what real power is like. :colbert:

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Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

AncientTV posted:

Apparently, everything on a Harley is called the Frame.

That's because a Harley is the frame through which you view your life.

It's very postmodern.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

16 inch rims...why. Seriously. 17s.

There are a few sportster trailies out there too, for those interested in that sort of thing.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Deeters posted:

I rode my Blast for two years without any real problems. Sure, it wasn't anything fantastic, but it got the job done. It managed a 6 hour round trip and countless times being jumped off curbs. The Ninja 250 is certainly a better bike, but I didn't think the Blast was terrible.

My opinion might be a little biased since I have been around Harleys and Buells my whole life, but I figure I rode them enough to make a good judgement.

I think that the issue with the Blast is that the absolute best thing about it is that it can "get the job done". It's the motorcycle equivalent of those union autoworkers out getting hammered and high on their lunch breaks.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Scrapez posted:

I guess I'm a wuss. I've put 10,000 miles on shieldless and it still fatigues me riding on the interstate for any length of time.

I've got a pretty sweet fairing/windshield I picked up new for 50 bucks from a guy. I'm going to put that on in the spring. Looks a lot like this:



Do you have a nice helmet that fits you well? Gear that doesn't flap around you? Both of these things are really important for maintaining comfort when riding without a windshield.

Otherwise, yeah, I roll without a windshield for all my touring, including 750+ mile days on a supermoto. I want to be out in the wind. Anything up to 100mph is fine, with a tuck, anything up to around 150mph is fine.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
The only option is a hardtail. Get those vibes delivered as directly as possible.

Also every road vibe for...bonus times.

Edit: Teach her to sit on the tank while you ride around too.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Don't buy a new bike for your first bike period. Tax free and 2k off is nothing compared to what you can pick up a used bike for. The AAFES stuff on new bikes is a huge scam designed to take advantage of people. You can get more than 2k off at most local Harley dealerships right now, they are HURTING.

Get back to the states, take your MSF, cruise around for a bit on borrowed bikes or buy a cheap beater to play with for a bit, test ride other bikes mercilessly, and then buy what you actually want when you know what you want. You can't learn much about a bike in 10-20 minutes in a parking lot.

Z3n fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jan 13, 2012

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Devorum posted:

That's what I keep telling myself. I just want to get a used Virago 535 or something after I leave here and go to Japan. The constant peer pressure gets to me, though, so it's good to hear it from someone else. You'd think after happily riding a 49cc bike for 3 years I'd be immune to the "get a bigger bike" stuff, huh?

Funny considering bigger doesn't even really mean faster, better, or more fun. I have the most fun on 125-400cc singles. Not fast, not big, but grins all day long.

Get a sweet Virago 535 and use the cash to mod it until it's something incredible and unique :)

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
The real question is if you can find a mechanic / engine builder who you can trust to do the work, your build seems reasonable from a performance standpoint.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

clutchpuck posted:

I do have access to a good engine builder, bonus he's expressed interest in labor trade for website work.

But I've been reading the instructions from the 1250 kit supplier and general "this is how to do it on a Sporty" walkthroughs, and I can get the 1250 kit with the rings preinstalled on the pistons from the factory. This seems doable in the garage and I'd love to do it myself. I can always truck it to the tuner.

Make sure the ring gaps are in the correct locations (if it's important on Harleys, I know it is on modern supersports), but that sounds like great fun! Make a thread when you do it :)

I'd probably bribe tue engine builder with beer to come over and point at poo poo and make sure I'm doing it right. Always good to have an expert on hand.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Fkin posted:

If you really like sporties and want a great engine with high horsepower that will fit in most buells and sportsters - have a look at the 100 inch s&s crate engine. Comes complete with an S&S carb and breather:

http://www.sscycle.com/product/Sportster/Engines/SB100-Complete-Assembled-Engine-p21206.html

Edit - I think it Dynos 115+ fp of torque and HP.

Ten thousand dollars jesus gently caress.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Marv Hushman posted:

Matures give, on average, $1066 per year to 6.3 charities
Boomers give $901 per year to 5.2 charities
Gen X gives $796 on average to 4.2 charities
Gen Y gives $341 to 3.6 charities.

That's a pretty steep dropoff there, Gen Y.

Also - I'm asking because I don't really know - do sportbikes even lend themselves to such mass formations outside of a track? I can only picture being incredibly annoyed and claustrophobic being cheek by jowl on bikes built for speed.

http://nonprofit.about.com/od/fundraising/a/generationalgivingstudy.htm

Riding in formation on bikes is terrible period.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Sagebrush posted:

Chill out. "The eighth air force" is a fine comparison. "The 8th over Ploiesti", though...well, I' just saying that a superstitious person might try to avoid comparing their motorcycle group ride to a bomber mission where nearly a third of the planes were shot down and 660 crewmen died.

People in here are touchy.

Just the Harley riders :buddy:

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Generic bolt on fuel controllers tend to go very rich across the board for safety reasons, better to go rich than lean. Despite that, sometimes they'll still be too lean in one area, if that's your cruising rpm that can be a problem. Sometimes they're not tuned right at part throttle either.

I would honestly say the best thing is to do it right. Get the full system, a power commander, and higher flow filter and get it tuned right.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

CombatMedic posted:

Its hard to judge from forum posts because people who complain about the tab fuel manager don't say what they were expecting.

I don't mind if it makes me lose 1 horsepower, or my MPGs drop by 1%. I just don't want to blow up the engine or lose throttle response or create backfires, etc.

I just want something 'adequate'. I'm not gonna be racing Hayabusa's on a dragstrip.

You're unlikely to blow up the engine but chances are you're going to lose throttle response.

I mean, think about it from a design perspective: you have a team of engineers designing the engine, getting it tuned just right to pass emissions and still respond well. And then you want to change a significant amount about backpressure, intake flow, and how the engine operates as a whole. It's not designed for that, and even when you have the best tested and performing pipes and air filter, your bike still isn't going to be tuned with respect to your engine's unique wear and build characteristics. A good tuner can trade passing epa standards for better power, mpg, and throttle response, but throwing parts at a bike without tuning with respect to those parts and your specific engine is like trying to put together a puzzle blind. Someone somewhere might get it right once, but 99% of the time there's an associated performance decrease because of the unique wear/break in/etc of each bike.

For better or for worse though, most people can't tell the difference between a well tuned bike and a poo poo one. The well tuned ones always feel slow because they're super controllable and easy to ride...its the poorly tuned ones that are exciting as they hit like a freight train when they pull out of the hole from poor tuning.

But I will also freely admit I am biased and there are about 3 people on the west coast who I would trust to tune my bikes.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Kaliber posted:

I am very much considering trading in my street bob for the 2012 XR1200X. Should I do it?

Is the primary problem with your street bob dragging poo poo everywhere? If so, yes!

If no, yes as well.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
If it's tuned well it really shouldn't foul plugs at high altitude. You'll probably notice some decreased performance but I wouldn't mess with it until you've had an established problem with it.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Olde Weird Tip posted:



It's so meta :negative:

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Aren't the vrods water cooled?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Backov posted:

To me it seems like a no brainer - air cooled all the way. Radiators suck. Water pumps suck. All that poo poo sucks and not having to deal with it on motorcycles is fantastic.

Unless, of course, you want performance out of your bikes.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Sagebrush posted:

Right, but it's more than just stable emissions...a hot engine produces more nitrogen oxides, and a cool engine more hydrocarbons. NOs are significantly more toxic than HCs, and harder to clean up in a catalytic converter.

I do kind of like that with an air-cooled engine there isn't an instant-overheat failure mode (coolant loss), though. In that sense they're more reliable, yes?

The failure mode for an air cooled bike is a warped head, so...no, they're not. You can run a water cooled bike without a good amount of coolant for a long time (don't ask me how I know), but eventually it'll croak. If you don't keep air moving over the fins of an air cooled bike, eventually it'll cook the engine block, which was the original justification for lane sharing.

clutchpuck posted:

:v: "Performance" - horsepower is cool and all, but for a street bike I kind of just want it to be comfortable and fun.
Well, performance also has a lot to do with efficiency. Tighter tolerances allow for more precise tuning. There are some companies out there that manage to tune the poo poo out of air cooled engines for incredible efficiency (BMW 1200 Boxer twins are incredibly efficient) but most of the time you're sacrificing HP against displacement when you're running air cooled vs. water cooled. For me, not getting cooked by the engine with proper radiator placement is a big plus for water over air cooled bikes.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Can't have a rice burner without water. :colbert:

(Has anyone else ever heard that phrase used? I only heard it when I was a kid...)

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Sagebrush posted:

^^^^^^ For a while it really was doing an admirable job as a safe space for the CA Harley owners, but I guess the urge to invade was just too strong

No one is safe from the long, stereotypical unfeeling touch of Harley's marketing arm.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Well, that is the beauty of modern motorcycle construction...the aircooled bikes can break 100hp with enough displacement, while still being reliable. And frankly, as someone once said: No honest rider needs more than a Ninja 250. :v:

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
The best motivation to avoid Layer Dan is having to ride cupcake on a Buell.

Oh the humanity.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Marv Hushman posted:

I really know nothing about the BMW subculture, if there is such a thing. So I waded through some photos to see if they yielded any clues.

Honestly, present company excluded, they look like the same close-cropped, middle-aged, Oakley-wearing, Viagra-popping, Hooters frequent customer card carrying regional sales managers to me. Except they cling to athletic wear a decade after that ship has sailed, their watches are more expensive, and they probably listen to NPR.

The only difference between Harley® riders and BMW® riders is if The Wild One or Long Way Around came up first on Netflix streaming.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Armyman25 posted:

I always find it funny when people bring up The Wild One in relation to Harleys.

Brando rode a Triumph.

Another Triumph of marketing.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Snowdens Secret posted:

What keeps a regular Sportster from turning into an XR via the race parts? From the chatting thread:


... you end up replacing a pretty healthy chunk of the XR-specific stuff anyway. What else needs to get done? Swingarm?

I think the XR1200 has a higher spec engine and different frame as well. Not entirely sure though.

When it comes to cruisers, the Diavel is where I would have thought Harley would have eventually ended up...someone finally took advantage of long wheelbase, dumped a monster engine in it, and made a stupid fast bike in a straight line. Same with the VMax.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
If you're looking for more stopping power, I'd try the fresh organic pads, then HH pads, a better master cylinder, and then finally rotors. The only downside to HH pads is they tend to be worse when there's wet weather as they dont brake as well as the organics on a cold, wet rotor. Most of the lever feel and responsiveness is in the master cylinder, all modern brake calipers are pretty decent.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Nidhg00670000 posted:

What? There are bikes made after 1980 without a passing switch? :psyduck: To me that's like saying there's still cars with hand-crank starting.

Passing switches aren't really a thing on most bikes in the US. We have different switchgear that is often missing it.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Oh god why would you put a springer front end on anything

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Just remove all the damping components from your forks and leave the springs in, that'll emulate the springer front end nicely.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

HD, release the full loss oil system and a carb with a wick for a mainjet!

Wickin' awesome.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
That's really loving cool.

Too bad that was the last innovation Harley participated in :v:

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
They were just participating in his innovations in the same way they expect their customers to participate in their brand. It's a compliment, really.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Automatic breaking system.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

clutchpuck posted:

Purple bikes always remind me of a guy I met in Idaho. He was describing his purple Vulcan as a bike "a colored would ride". It took me like 20 miles on the road to realize what he was talking about there. Never change, Whiteaho.

Friends of mine bought a Yamaha GTS from a guy they described as an "affable bro", who explained that the wiring job the PO had done was "African American rigged". 'MURICA

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
Raise it up and gently caress with the geometry, making it handle worse. And you won't be able to get sticky tires for it. Basically, give up on trying to make the bike something it isn't and appreciate it for what it is. If you wanna lean, buy an SV650 or something.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

OMGVBFLOL posted:

I'm curious about this part. Does it just use sizes that are uncommon for sportbikes?

Yeah - they make really good tires in only a handful of sizes, basically a 3.5 inch 17 front and a 4.5/5.5/6 inch 17 rear.

Also plz don't buy an SV650. Buy a Tuono or something.

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Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.
No an SV650 is a super fun bike if all you want is leans but if you want torques and poo poo, a bigger displacement bike will be a lot more torquey and it has updated suspension (although that can be fixed on the SV if you spend a bit of money/time on it).

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