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If I could get an EV with 250 mi 10 degree F range, and it was no more than a 20% premium over a similar car, I would probably jump on it. The question is, how long is it going to take for that level of EV price/performance to become a reality?
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Coredump posted:I'll be honest with you, this seems like a thinly veiled attempt to get this thread back on the range discussion topic. To give you an honest answer to your question, probably several decades from now, so you're going to have to sit tight. I'm not trying to discuss the merits or demerits of range, I'm trying to figure out when we have a shot of getting longer ranged EVs. Is this something that's going to be accomplished by evolutionary improvements to current systems or is it going to take a revolutionary shift in storage technologies?
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Jan 19, 2012 17:38
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Out of curiosity, is there a premium that people would be willing to pay for a commuter-range EV over a gasoline equivalent? I could be persuaded to possibly pay a 10% premium if it was a second car or whatever. So that would be roughly 21K for a Focus, be generous and call it 24K for a Focus EV. But they're setting the price at $40K and even if the government were to drop substantial cash on hood again, I doubt they'd bring it down to my territory.
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Jan 20, 2012 01:37
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tax on VMT clearly makes the most sense - and you could scale so the rate per 100 VMT for a 911 would be higher than the rate per 100 VMT for a leaf or whatever, but  gub mint caint tell me what to do with the car i done boughten with my own money! that's socialist!
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Jan 28, 2012 15:00
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duz posted:I went and did a thing this weekend. Yo post a full review after a bit
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Feb 29, 2012 19:06
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Regen brake system may require fancier fluid and such. Just think of it as the equivalent of an oil change  b
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Mar 1, 2012 22:11
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Nerobro posted:Regen doesn't use the brakes at all. durr yeah 
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Mar 1, 2012 22:21
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Wiglaf posted:nice link.. i didn't know that thing was RWD! It's not like RWD conveys it any dynamics benefits.
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Jul 1, 2012 18:51
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Nobody comes out of this NYT thing looking good at all.
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Feb 15, 2013 00:33
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I think his point is that if you had infrastructure density like for gas stations that it would be much less of an issue. I'm not sure I agree with that or not; it would definitely mitigate the issues. I could get by on most of my driving with the Tesla with a pretty good wiggle factor. I think that it wouldn't need to shut down the climate control or what have you.
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Feb 15, 2013 02:12
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Wireless charging will make a huge difference, I think. If you could just pull up your car to the lot, push "Sync" or whatever and then go inside and have a coffee and a donut while your car charges or whatnot, that would go a long way to making the experience actually superior to gasoline in terms of the fuel->vehicle experience. Similarly, if your car was trickle charging when you're at the mall or CVS or the ballpark or whatever. That would be cool.
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Feb 15, 2013 21:12
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ozmunkeh posted:It only takes two or three minutes to fill up a car at the moment. Depending on the time and location those few short minutes will still not be enough to stop queues forming behind pumps. What happens when the cars are sitting motionless for 45 minutes? I wonder how big these charging stations are going to be. Well at present there aren't that many EVs being sold, and most are sold as second cars, so I imagine demand will be pretty light for a while.
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Feb 15, 2013 22:02
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Lost in the kerfluffle about the $100 tax is the fact that Virginia, like the morons they are, haven't raised the gas tax in a billion years. Just index it to inflation and be done with it.
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Feb 24, 2013 04:15
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Elephanthead posted:On a cash basis. That is not real profit. That is saying, hey if we ignore depreciation and amortization on all we spent on this factory and designing the car we made money! Being cash basis profitable is pretty important, especially as a startup in an industry with an incredible amount of physical plant investment.
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Apr 1, 2013 18:17
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In theory, franchises are good for the consumer because they provide choice and competition. In practice... not so much.
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The Leaf took forever to get any sales traction and most Nissan dealers hate it. Hybrids aren't fundamentally different from a usability standpoint from conventional gasoline vehicles. Nissan dealers don't mind the Leaf in terms of getting you in the door, but they'd much rather sell you an Altima.
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Apr 11, 2013 15:27
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grover posted:If your commute each day is 20 miles or less, than you're probably only paying about $500 a year in gas anyhow, and would have trouble cost-justifying so much as a hybrid letalone an EV. If you have the money, there's nothing wrong with buying the vehicle sans cost justification. I loving hated the Volt I drove for a few days, but whatever. Different strokes. I preferred the Prius.
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Apr 13, 2013 01:36
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eeenmachine posted:Just got the 3rd row kids seats installed. Now I can't wait for the opportunity to take 7 people somewhere! That is like my dream as a kid. Five point belts??
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Jun 4, 2013 01:55
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fjelltorsk posted:any interest in me writing up about my experiance totaling a model S in a head on collision, how the safetymeasures worked and how tesla handled it? do it!
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Thanks for sharing.
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Aug 10, 2015 18:06
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Voltage posted:Would I be stupid not get a Fusion Energi lease for $0 down $209 a month? It just seems like a crazy deal for a $36,000 car. I test drove it and it wasn't that slow, had cooled seats, and what seemed like every option possible. However I don't really have a place to charge it, the trunk was actually useless from it being mostly made of batteries, and I would really miss my Fiesta ST, which my lease is up now for. The same dealer wanted $350/month for another fiesta st, (a $25k car)lease, or $500/mo for a focus st (30k). Neither of the gas powered cars you are mentioning are going to cost that amount.
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Sep 8, 2015 16:25
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That still sounds hellish compared to "pump gas for 5-10 mins" - the tech needs to get to that level of convenience for long trips to be viable.
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Sep 9, 2015 20:42
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Boten Anna posted:I don't know about needs to. 400+ mile range that can be mostly recharged in 30 minutes, a thing we're an rear end breath from making real, is just fine for most road trips. Drive 400 miles and then stop to eat for 30-60 minutes while the car charges then go another 400 miles. I'm just saying it's not a compelling competition with a gas vehicle when there's an amount of inconvenience and cap on capability. This is America - people want to be Free To Do What They Want, Like Drive To Florida Non-Stop even if they are never going to do it. It's an actual hurdle for EVs and EV fans don't really like to acknowledge it.
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Sep 9, 2015 21:44
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I agree, the whole thing is going to be rendered entirely moot by driverless, at least in urban areas. It's funny that you complain about emulating gas infrastructure when the business model you proposed was a really inconvenient gas station. edit: I didn't mean to sound like a dick there. I think that the thing that will change before EV infrastructure is sufficiently deployed is the car ownership model in urban areas, and in rural areas EVs don't make a tremendous amount of sense. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 9, 2015 |
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Sep 9, 2015 22:13
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Mange Mite posted:A gas station crossed with a bus station. My two favorite places to spend hours of time in. Picture a world where: You could have the shittiness of a gas station COMBINED WITH the interminable wait times of your local Amtrak station!
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Sep 9, 2015 22:17
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blugu64 posted:The bigger question is how are they going to sell it? They have a retail network, it's not hard to envision a model like the one Tesla uses in TX and NJ.
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Sep 25, 2015 15:56
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silence_kit posted:Apple isn't just a software company. They actually have to manage the manufacturing of products, although car manufacturing is a much harder manufacturing problem than electronics assembly. I am puzzled just like the earlier poster--how can you outsource car assembly? Could they partner with a Chinese car company? Outsourcing car manufacturing is incredibly easy. Valmet, Magna Steyr, Karmann etc.
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Sep 25, 2015 19:00
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Godholio posted:Woah, I assumed it was only short-run or specialty vehicles that were outsourced like that. Magna Steyr makes the RCZ for Peugeot, the G-Class and a couple of Mini models. Outsourced cars from legitimate manufacturers (Magna Steyr, Valmet, Heuliez RIP) are common and not any worse from OEM produced poo poo. I would not be surprised if Apple went in this direction. Magna has a lot of engineering resources, as well.
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Sep 28, 2015 20:06
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ilkhan posted:I really dont get the appeal of the falcon doors on the X. People think suicide / scissor doors are the poo poo. People are gonna fuckin flip out (hell, 40% of the press on the car so far is Them Doors Son) and it's great free advertising. edit: it was also worth a year's delay since Tesla has just barely started to produce cars at an even tolerable rate. Even if the X were ready, the line and suppliers weren't.
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Ribsauce posted:It isn't free advertising when it costs you a year of production and $X more in research costs. They were production capacity limited that entire time, so I don't really buy that as a significant downside.
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You can get a good deal on a Volt by going to your neighborhood Chevy dealer.
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Oct 9, 2015 21:22
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Ranter posted:How does Elon justify customers paying $2,500 for enabling a feature in software? Referring to Autopilot. $2,500 add-on during purchase, or $3,000 to enable after delivery. What you charge a customer for literally fuckin anything on earth does not have to be "just" in any sense of the word.
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Oct 28, 2015 23:33
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drag coefficient only matters so much since actual drag is a function of frontal surface area as well
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Dec 2, 2015 18:59
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High beltlines are in part a consequence of high hoods, which are due to pedestrian impact standards, and side impact protection standards. High beltlines lead to slab-sided appearances, which require larger wheels to offset the visual bulk.
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Dec 9, 2015 17:11
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The Astra is on D2XX with the Volt, not the Bolt.
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Ola posted:They've committed to the date in a shareholder letter, so they're definitely unveiling something on March 31st, if only a render. So far not even a napkin drawing has leaked. stoked for it to look roughly the same as the Bolt
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Feb 11, 2016 01:15
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Pryor on Fire posted:Why are the leafs a bad investment? They just depreciated super rapidly? Is that just because oil is cheap and noone wants them now or something else going on? Part of it is that the pace of change for EVs and other alt-fuel vehicles is way more rapid than for ICE vehicles. It's like the first gen Prius - the second gen Prius was so substantially better that the first one's resale absolutely cratered. Since the Leaf came out, there's a much better Volt, there's hype about the Model 3, there are a number of "mainstream" plug-in hybrids, etc. Sure, none of those are pure electrics, but you have to imagine that people are cross shopping pretty heavily. Gas prices don't help. All cars except maybe air-cooled 911s are bad investments, anyway. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Cockmaster posted:Plus there's the matter of linking the new one to your car's computer. At least on my Focus, this is extremely easy to do without any specialized tools.
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The new Volt is a lot better driving than the old one.
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MrYenko posted:It means a car with no real personality. Probably beige. It's EXTREMELY descriptive of the Volt. The Volt has way more personality than say, the Corolla.
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