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Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

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bull3964 posted:

Yeah, I feel like things are getting worse for Android tablets. I really wish I never got rid of my N7 2013 now. The N9 is loving trash.

I can only hope that this 3 week delay on the 5.1 update right now means it's going to be a grand slam out of the park and fix eve....BAHAHAHWHAHAH who am I kidding?

Never ever ever ever buying tablet with a Nvidia SoC again. Ever.

I'm about ready to go back to my N10 which I haven't gotten around to selling yet. Yes, the N10 performs better than the N9.

17 seconds. I was reading something on Wikipedia and got a hangouts notification. I touched the notification. 17 seconds. That's how long it took to switch to the hangouts app. Then it took an additional 6 seconds for my typed and sent reply to show up in the message stream.

I'm actually considering switching to a Dell tablet. That's how bad things have gotten.

I'm basically peak android sperglord and I dumped my N9 for an iPad Air. I went through about six N9. The first couple I returned because the price dropped by like a hundred bucks, but the last four were because I kept getting units from Amazon that has screen bleed so bad you could see it even on non-black backgrounds. They thing also ran terribly and get so hot you couldn't touch the upper right corner. It was a complete joke.

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Daimo posted:

I mean memory.


Bit of a side question but when did marketing start labelling ram as memory and confusing the hell out of consumers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdREEcfaihg

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Syrinxx posted:

Stop making 4:3 tablets you stupid loving companies

But I like 4:3 tablets....I've never met anyone that likes 16:9 tablets outside of this thread. Go figure.

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Thermopyle posted:

The Shield is good, but it's like twice the price.

It's pretty easy to find on sale for $50 off, Amazon and BB do this frequently.

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bull3964 posted:

Last night I fired up my Nexus 10 that I still haven't sold off, updated it fully to 5.1.1, and gave it a run compared to the N9.

Make no mistake, the N10 is slower all things being equal (and you can feel it) and the screen is rather muted compared to the N9. However, it's just so much more consistent that it almost feels faster on a whole. It also feels less unwieldy to hold compared to the N9 despite being larger and heavier overall. I think it's because the edges are tapered more.

The N10 just shows none of the random pauses and hangs that the N9 does.

So, this morning I broke down and ordered a Nexus 7 2013 (16gb this time since I don't need 32gb really and it was only $149), almost exactly 2 years to the day from when I originally bought one. I really wanted to like the Galaxy Tab S 8.4 due to the screen, but I just can't get past Touchwiz and I really doubt it's going to get Android M. I may look at one in person this afternoon and we'll see if maybe I'll fall in love and cancel the N7 order, but I don't think so. Plus I already have a carrying case that fits the N7 and my wireless charger will need something to do after I buy a Moto X.

The N7 is so nice. I only got an iPad because for a few months I had to read a ton of PDF, and it was just too small. I tried the N9, but it was garbage, so I got an iPad Air. That project is done, and now I wish I had an N7 again.

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Rusty Kettle posted:

I would buy a new N7 in a heartbeat. Perhaps I should wait until the N9 gets more price reductions.

Wait until October. Maybe they'll announce a new N7.

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Thermopyle posted:

Oh good, an Nvidia powered tablet.

my thoughts exactly.

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Protocol7 posted:

Google with Android proper is now the only tablet OS without any sort of multiwindow, so yeah, they're lacking. I'm sure it's great hardware (as far as a nvidia chipset in 2015 goes) but as an owner of a Surface 3 there's absolutely nothing I don't think the S3 does better.

Multiwindow is definitely a feature in M, it's hidden and for a bit you could activate it. It's not working anymore, since the later OTA of M Preview.

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bull3964 posted:

It's not a Nexus device. It's a Pixel device. For example, I wouldn't count on flashable factory images. Not saying it won't happen, but I wouldn't assume it will be treated like a Nexus device.

Yeah, I'd wait until I saw confirmation of images being available before I bought them, if I was hoping for that.

However, I haven't even bothered to unlock the boot loader or root or do anything on my N5, seriously, there's little reason for it now. Backups yada yada I know but I don't really have any games I absolutely need. If you don't do that nonsense, then factory images aren't any issue. I guess for updates they could be, but whatever.

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LastInLine posted:

Given that simply the presence of an unlocked bootloader precludes use of Android Pay, I'm curious to see just how solid this Marshmallow backup solution is in practice. I'd still probably forgo Android Pay in order to flash factory images but at least then I could understand not unlocking the bootloader.

They said rooting effects Android Pay, but I didn't see anything about boot unlock. Also, even with a locked bootloader you can sideload OTA updates with ADB.

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LastInLine posted:

Everything I've read says just having the bootloader unlocked on a stock, unrooted ROM will prevent Android Pay from working after it runs its check (meaning you might get one use after adding the card). And while you can use the stock recovery to flash OTA updates it means you can't use fastboot to just flash the stock system image which is something I don't think I'd be willing to give up regardless. It's just solved too many problems for me in the past.

None of this is really germane to tablets as I'm not going to miss having Android Pay on them regardless, your post just reminded me that even if factory images are available it isn't much help if you have to wipe your system any time you want to make use of them.

Wait, so flashing the stock image completely wipes the phone, right?

fastboot oem unlock
fastboot flash images
fastboot oem lock
use android pay


Done.

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Syrinxx posted:

When they first started doing the Kindle lockscreen ads there was one with a free $10 voucher for amazon.com. I don't know if any other good ones have come up but why not just take the discount and swipe past them if they aren't useful?

A lot of people bought the Kindle w/ Ads near Christmas, there's usually a bunch of incredible deals on the ads. I remember a TV being hundreds of dollars cheaper with the deal.

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Red Warrior posted:

I got a Nexus 9 a few months back for similar reasons in one of the HTC 40% off sales and it's been great so far. Didn't seem to exhibit any of build quality issues people suffered early on, and with 5.1 it seemed to do just fine performance wise. Even better since Marshmallow, plus with the doze improvements I can now leave for a week in standby.

I had seven N9s. Each one arrived with the case halves not snapped together all the way, the screen had so much bleed on it, the outer 2mm of the screen was like a solid white line around maybe 35% of the device, one was completely outlined in a while line, they all got absolutely burning how when in use, and the volume keys were so recessed in they were useless and barely worked.

I got two from Best Buy, and then got several from Amazon just as a crap shoot to see if I could get one that worked ok. For a while, I just opened them up, turned them on, saw it was junk and did a return immediately. After I gave up on them I kept ordering them to see if I could get one that wasn't falling apart, and I did not.

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minusX posted:

Also no cables at all. Ehh.

At this point, I have so many USB cables and chargers I don't even take them out of the box when I buy a new phone, so when I sell it in a month I don't have to look for it.

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Require More Fire posted:

So who builds Pixel stuff for Google? If they're building the line themselves, why do they still out-source Nexus devices to OEMs?

The only answer to this is "lol google" making cross competing platforms that fight each other is something Google loves to do, but it works for them so whatever. I'd assume that Foxconn makes the Pixel line-up since they make 99% of all OEM electronics.

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The Pixel, while a nicely solid and well designed piece of hardware, is still $1000 for i5, 8GB RAM, 32GB SSD. There's no way someone wanting to spend $1000 on a laptop would be willing to spend it on that, unless they are an enthusiast. There's a lot better ways to spend $1000 on a laptop. I have a Chromebook, and I love it, it's great for my family since it was $150 and I just don't care about it too much.

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Inspector 34 posted:

Well, I'm about ready to replace my 2nd Shield. First one quit recognizing my sim card and battery life simultaneously went to poo poo, so I'm guessing it was just constantly searching for the card or network. Luckily that one was recalled for the battery issue. New one worked perfectly until last week when it began experiencing the exact same sim/battery issue. So no more mobile internet and now I have to charge it multiple times per day if I'm consistently using it.

Going to do a bit more research before I decide to move on from this thing, but I don't think I've ever seen anybody else on this forum complain of a similar problem. Will check the other Android forums as well for possible solutions unless one of you knows what the problem is.

Barring a fix I guess I'll see if nvidia will replace it before I go shopping around for a replacement, but I'm starting to wonder what I'd even replace it with. Could hold out and see if there's a new Nexus 7 coming out, but how long is it expected to be before it's released? I'd like to stick around the same price point and size, but don't want to put my faith in another Shield.

Get a new SIM.

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Thermopyle posted:

I'd say there's an above even chance that we get a new Nexus tablet at I/O. On the one hand, I'd like an update to my 2013 Nexus 7, on the other hand, I can't really say there's anything wrong with it either.

Probably a Huweii 8 inch.. I'm mildly interested. At the moment I have no tablet, and could see maybe it being nice.

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Pyroxene Stigma posted:

Nintendo's actually keeping quiet because the NX is using the latest from NVidia and runs Android, as will be announced at I/O. Get hyped!

Nintendo games on a tablet screen would be a nightmare.

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Konsek posted:

I've got a Pixel C, no keyboard. I hate using a tablet with a case on it and usually buy cheap neoprene sleeves so I can shove it in a bag. I started to wonder if this is actually the best option, any opinions/recommendations?

When used my N7 2013 caseless I just got a tempered glass screen protector. If it got damaged, it was just the protector and I could replace it.

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My son started Kindergarten this year, and they require them to do some homework on a tablet app. What a crazy world we live in. I figure this is the best option for me too, right? The two apps required have Google Play versions, I can just side load the play services on it, seems pretty easy. I'm completely comfortable with ADB and all that, so I'm not turned off by that. I see that running CM12 requires some nonsense with fast booting manually each time it resets. I'm not dealing with that noise, but if I can get Google Play on it, and have it work, I'm game with that.

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Vykk.Draygo posted:

Is this public school? I've never heard of giving kindergarteners homework. My daughter also started kindergarten this year, and though the children were given access to IXL to practice math, it's completely optional.

It's public school. IXL is one for math, there's another for reading. They have to read like ten minutes a night in a reading app, but I don't know it's name. I may not be required, but they definitely suggest it heavily.

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Got the Kindle Fire Kids in the mail. Sending it right back and getting an iPad. The kids mode doesn't block access to everything but what I want. There's a settings page for that, but if you swipe to the other kids pages there already all the content being suggested. No wait to disable it. Also no way to lock an app so he can't switch. I put the Play Store on with adb but just enough things are wonky that it's going to be a pain.

My time is too valuable to spend hours on XDA to figure out how to flash CM 12 on it and then once I do it'll be a huge hassle because of lol custom ROM.

Just got an iPad mini 2 for $200. It's $100 more than the Kindle, but it'll be much more solid. I can't lock in apps, but that's a decent trade-off since I had hide everything and make it require a password to install.

Also he can FaceTime his fam, since they all have iPads anyways.

I really wanted to like the Kindle but I just wasn't right.

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Before I read that link can I assume it's rated betwen 7 and 8 like everything ever rated by the Verge?


edit:



Yes!

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Endless Mike posted:

Yes, and we have e-readers for that. Tablets are intended for general use and unless e-ink refresh gets orders of magnitude faster, it's entirely unsuited for general use.

People want an e-ink reader that can access all the books you have on Google Play Books. It's not an unreasonable request.

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Ineffiable posted:

Yeah I don't mind a name change as long as we get another solid device. With a reasonable price. I'd buy the nexus 9 but it seems to have several issues, like screen bleed through.

All my nexus 9's looked like they had milk under half the screen. It was really bad.

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Blue Train posted:

And you can trust this man, he ordered and returned ten of them

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hotsauce posted:

When you were "warned" about your excessive returns, was the email from "cis@amazon.com"? If so, you need to cool it...the next step is they ban you and disappear. You have no recourse and you are fired for life. Everything Amazon stops (including purchased digital content).

I came close to being banned a few years back...and I only returned like 5 items within 3 months. They are ruthless, BTW, so tread lightly.

I got this email:

quote:

Hello,

We have noticed that an unusual number of your recent orders have been returned.

Since our mission is to be Earth's most customer-centric company, we want to make sure you are happy with your Amazon shopping experience. If we are not living up to our promise, please reply to this email and let us know what we can do to improve.

To speak with a member of our Customer Service team, call 1 (866) 216-1072 or click the Contact Us button on any Amazon.com Help page (http://www.amazon.com/help).

While we welcome returns when orders do not work out, we want to do whatever we can to ensure that you are happy with your Amazon shopping experience.

We look forward to seeing you again soon.

Sincerely,

Account Specialist

Is that a warning?

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bull3964 posted:

Yeah, the Xoom can be placed in the same category of the OG Droid. They launched a huge jump in android version and had the first large push in device/specs. They're Nexus in all but name.

Pixel is really almost the same. Every single time Google wants to push android forward, they go back to Verizon for a partnership.

Best part about the Xoom was that you had to mail it in to activate (install?) the 3g modem.

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Magog posted:

No, because why should I have to janitor my device, furthermore

Just to be clear, installing the Google Play Store takes a bit of fiddling, and a lot of it doesn't work 100%, you can't set a default launcher and some apps don't work. It's not 100% easy. I'd clearly recommend getting an NVIDIA shield or a refurb iPad mini. It's not tremendously more expensive.

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Thermopyle posted:

What. Half of of this is completely wrong, the other half is kind of wrong, or irrelevant to the people who should be looking at the Fire.

Doesn't it require you to have adb working and all the Android drivers? That in itself is a pain.

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Thermopyle posted:

No. You just download the play store apks and install them. Then it just works like any normal android device.

I did that, but I found that you couldn't change the default launcher, and it kept advertising amazon content all over it. Like the amazon launcher doesn't really have good ways to hide your amazon library content. I got one for my kid, but I just couldn't get it to show just a default screen with his three school apps. With a standard android device I could have done most of what I wanted, but it didn't do it, mostly because the launcher limitations and the amazon advertising.

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St_Ides posted:

You can change the default launcher just fine. No root. Takes no effort.

http://www.howtogeek.com/270022/how-to-use-a-different-home-screen-launcher-on-the-amazon-fire-tablet-without-rooting-it/

You'll still get the lockscreen offers and the occasional offer notification, but that's it.

Doesn't that flash the Kindle home for a sec first? At least that what it did for mine.

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