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Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Synthbuttrange posted:

She's a lot more destructive and can blow up literally everything around her in a huge radius. As seen in the issue, they cant avoid the halo effect if it's just way too dense. Hm, they didnt use any halo effects themselves. Does it not work or cant they use it while at speed?

edit:oh right, rereading these are 5 entirely new guys that only had zephyr?


yeah. seems weird if 5 basic grunts can take down a battleship. maybe they had slightly more enhancements, it's not clear. they had no halo or strength enhancement at all.

as for maria, she'd have to know they're coming. it seems zephyrs could strike so fast no one would be aware.

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Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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i imagine battleship heavies like leah might be a good way to deal with zephyrs. seems doubtful they'd be able to crack any part of a superheavy without strength or halo.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Synthbuttrange posted:

Uder: And that whole scenario is vs a battleship. Thinking about it, cruiser zephyrs would have no trouble loving up a massive number of regular tanks while they had the time. A week of lesiurely stabbing them all.

Yeah I think they might be a bit op in a setting where the super types have been fairly well balanced

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Though they're vulnerable to conventional weapons. Glass cannons.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Teenage Fansub posted:

Anyone try the new Mage last week?

yeah. reads like there was never any break.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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I dunno about the best comics ever. They're fun, and part of that is how there's not really anything like it out there. But it all feels a bit too shallow in many respects. A quick, easy read that you won't regret, but nothing you'll really go back to... Or so my memories of reading the originals 10+ years ago when I was 18 or 19 say.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Alhazred posted:

Have you tried Metabarons?


metabarons (and the technopriests and the incal) is... weird. dune by way of space opera is the best aesthetic comparison, though it lacks for complex themes. definitely worth a read, but you're reading for a fun journey rather than extremely compelling plots or characters.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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zoux posted:

I thought the art and stylized violence of Luther Strode were excellent and unique, but it's one of the worst written comics I've ever read. His Manic Pixie Dreamgirl Killer GF may be the least natural and most irritating character I can remember in a comic book. The whole thing smacked of a self-insert fantasy where the nerdy loser becomes the taciturn best and coolest murderer of all time.

The art had a fantastic sense of movement to it. Haven't seen much that compares for that visceral feel.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Mr Hootington posted:

What about The Black Monday Murders? That sounds interesting.

i'd probably pick black monday murders as my favourite of the three you mentioned, on an enjoyment-per-issue basis. the basic premise gave me a chuckle (and i'm not particularly anti-capitalist or anti-financier), there's some good character drama, it works well as a horror, and the art, colours and layout combine are incredibly striking. there's one scene in particular in a police interrogation cell which has stuck with me. they're all worthwhile reads, though east of west has been irritating the poo poo out of me for quite some time now because of how meandering things are and how needlessly opaque aspects of the setting feel. i'm sure it'll all come together eventually, and the art's good, though, so i persevere. manhattan projects does not finish, and probably never will, and it's not serious, but it's fun and goofy (in a kind of gross, mars attacks! kind of way).

of his other indie projects transhuman and nightly news are probably the best-reputed. i liked red mass for mars a lot, too, even though many did not (probably because the last issue was delayed into absurdity which really broke up the flow), albeit its themes could be accused of being sophomoric philosophy (superheroes undermine the utopian promise of equality and fraternity!). the only one i've read i did not really care for was red wing, which was very unsatisfying (though maybe i was missing something in the story).

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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what a loving nothing issue of the dying and the dead, after such a long hiatus.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Synthbuttrange posted:

Uber: Oh Maria :allears:

I'm worried about her. it might turn out she knows exactly what's happening as she's a clearly not generally stupid, but maybe she is unhinged enough to not anticipate. Also like her I thought the breadth of her transmutation powers was an effect of her specific power set but apparently not. Does that mean the two Nazi battleships can fix themselves?

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Chinston Wurchill posted:

The Autumnlands?

There are probably others that fit the bill, though.

the gently caress is happening with this anyway? i was really liking it as a lord of light type comic but then it just stopped and it's been for loving ever.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Chinston Wurchill posted:

Busiek has been having health problems for years and his output has been sporadic in general. I'd assume that's it but I can't say for sure.

dang. thanks.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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so i just read maestro #1. i enjoyed it but the full frontal gratuitous nudity involving a ten inch dick and the (slightly less obscene in that the specific mechanics were not in view) sex scene make me leery. then again god is dead had a bunch of stuff that made many pages look like a porn comic and the stories being told remained serious.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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BigglesSWE posted:

I bought the digital version from Avatar’s own website.

weird, when i went there on thursday it was giving the 25 november date that print has as well. all good now, thanks for alerting me to this.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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good issue. it was nice to see leah able to do something other than brooding. her putting up churchill's victory hand sign was fantastic.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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is uber 10 out? i see different release dates here and there and it seems someone talked about it above, but the places that sell digital versions don't have it.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Robot Danger posted:

Has anyone read Unholy Grail? I've been sleeping on Aftershock Comics so far but this and Dark Ark look pretty cool.

it's alright but it really fizzles out. it's a much more straightforward arthur retelling than i expected - there is one twist but it really doesn't change much. early on it looked like it was going to take the myths in a very different direction but it never really did and by the second last issue as it became apparent there wasn't anything more i was left thinking 'That's IT?'

dark ark is better

also re stormwatch, i'm halfway through ellis' run and actually prefer it to the authority. feels more grounded and has more of the clandestine power structures thing which is more characteristic of the broader wildstorm universe than the authority did.

Neurosis fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jan 5, 2018

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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I'd read the first run. It's good and Invasion needs it to be properlu understood I think.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Goddamnit a month for the digital comic according to the store linked on the Avatar Press site and oh God Avatar Press is associated with what looks like a publisher of hardcore rape porn comics now

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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read a physical copy of uber invasion 11

goddamn, that final panel

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Uber's sales must surely be okay? Going purely off the amount of discussion I see about it and knowing these kind of titles don't need to move Big 2 numbers to be profitable...

Pancakes posted:

WicDiv and a new run of Incognegro? Today wasn't so bad after all.

For a fraction of a second I thought Brubaker might finally be finishing Incognito, and for another fraction of a second maybe he would be finishing it just with the protagonist race swapped

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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caught up on the last two issues of Black Monday Murders. nice to have some movement of things outside of the internal politics of the investment banks. art is loving fantastic, really good, better than anything in the series to date and the art has been uniformly very good



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Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Punkin Spunkin posted:

Completely agree with both of these...it built up a lot of credit with me but didn't go much of anywhere with it, or it went into really facepalmingly weird + disgusting deviantart-esque directions and poo poo. Can't say I'm super interested in where most of these characters go on from here. I remember loving it but it lost me at some point.
Like at this point I almost feel like Descender is consistently a better series but I'm not super into either.

everyone gushed so much about it i thought i was crazy for having this opinion though i never loved it but thought it was entertaining


Jordan7hm posted:

Brian K Vaughn . Txt

ex machina was pretty consistent and never felt meandering (loved how vaughan managed to keep something about the mayor of new york largely nonpartisan aside from a small number of contentious issues against all odds). hated the ending at the time but as i think back i think it makes the story more interesting.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Hobo Grandpa posted:

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out.


I'll also check out Astro City, thanks.


I did end up picking up issue 2 of Further Adventures of Nick Wilson and it continues to delight.


On a totally different note, how about Maestros? I see it on the shelf all the time at my local shop and every time that cover artwork and the artwork inside draws me--super psychedelic. That said, I don't usually do fantasy stuff. Anyone have any feedback on this series? It looks like a trade paperback combining the first few issues isn't coming out until July.

Re Maestros ehhhh. Mixed bag. Seems gratuitously sexual or gorey in parts, in others the character stuff works and it's good, humour is hit and miss. Visuals are at least interestingly varied and it's far from traditional fantasy.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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uber and east of west were both good. east of west sometimes loses me because it kind of drags with vague writing which attempts to be ominous, but in this issue such material fit what was being told. art was above the already-high standards for the series, too. uber shows there's at least one more weird thing we're going to see which we can't really anticipate the effects of. i liked the reveal about siegfried's age, too - or was that more than hinted at in a previous issue? i've also wondered if sieglinde is healing slightly, given she can walk with a cane now. obviously her skin is still hosed up as hell. additionally, i wonder if what the sculptor is doing is the same as what maria did to fix her hand.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Endless Mike posted:

Another issue of Uber Invasion, another no-show on Comixology. :sigh:

i'm seeing in internet shops that sell physical copies a 30 may release date - maybe it was delayed?

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Yeah he has been in quite a few issues. He had a couple that focus entirely on him. I like the issues about him because he has clear motivations and goals, whereas I'm in the dark for a lot of the characters who make grandiloquent proclamations but never seem to explain what the end game of all this is.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Jordan7hm posted:

That’s what Brubaker does. He’s telling a story with an ending, not ongoing serialied fiction.

or he might be telling a story with no ending, in the vein of incognito. how fun to discover!


Synthbuttrange posted:

Uber Invasion out only a week late due? I'll take it.

Mmmm, fleshblob.

the nerf of speed tankmen reads like 'oops, i didn't see how that could totally loving break the combat after i said flying tankmen were the worst thing.'

hold on... does leah have her leg back?


Neurosis fucked around with this message at 16:16 on May 11, 2018

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Endless Mike posted:

Nah, from what I recall, he said was making the last couple issues extra-sized, which obviously means Coker needs more time to draw.

black monday murders has been so irregular i don't think too many readers will have thwarted expectations. and every issue is very dense - they are not as thin (in pages or content) as monthly cape books, nor even as the more complex indies.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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BigglesSWE posted:

Yeah I'm hoping that is what is happening. Hopefully it's a "surprise" reveal because if it's shown to the reader, it's gonna mean jack poo poo in this comic. Only slight of hands and surprise twists works.

The whole language thing is very interesting to me. The Siegmund thing specifically tells us that übers, not even battleships, get magical babel-fish abilities, so this makes Maria even more of a mystery. It's very interesting, but I fail to see how it could be significant in any way. I kind of assume it is, since it gets a lot of attention here but...yeah.

The Japanese plan is...uh...well my guess is that they've salvaged the malfunctioned Little Boy and will detonate it in Yakutsk while facing the brunt of the Soviet Über forces. This issue underlines the suicidal tendencies of the Japaense military in this conflict, so I can see them using that sort of ruse to cripple the soviets, even if they lose their one (...sigh....known) battleship in the process.

I'm honestly surprised at this Alan stuff. I was sort of under the impression that there won't be much more time in the series for more Allied advances.

If anything, I suspect it's a way to reverse the über process, making übers "normal" people again...only in true über style, it'll be horrifying, with huge meaty bodies collapsing from their own weights. But hey, would be a fantastic weapon, if one could weaponise it.


I've thought since we saw Maria's blood being tested and shown to not only create a small explosion but blow up an entire loving room and puree everyone in the area that there was something special about her going beyond merely being a 24 activation battleship. I had some doubt, since, as someone here pointed out, it could have just been that the Russians had a lovely test, but now I think it's pretty clear there's something different about her. Leah meeting her was a cute moment.

I like the idea of Alan reversing the Uber process as part of his codex two studies. There might be some metaphor there about the monstrous potential of all humans being put away again or at least concealed until there is cause for it to come out again.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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That's my read, as well. Did Colossus II/Siegmund say anything to each other in the non-native language of each? Also I CANNOT IMAGINE that wouldn't have been figured out until now with how methodical the various sides are.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Soooo Maria is/was playing some kind of Uber-takeover game? Curious to see whether she fixed Leah's leg - obviously Leah still looked disabled there, but Maria wouldn't want to give it away if Leah weren't. I wonder if she's actually dead - she's minimally physically enhanced, but she's still a battleship.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Jedit posted:

Anyone know what the status of The Autumnlands is?

I think Kurt Busiek's health problems might have led to hiatus. Kind of a guess, though. I was really enjoying it. :(

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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I preferred the Technopriests to the Incal with Merabarons as the best but they're all good for the reasons set out above.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Edit: I appear to be behind the most recent available issue!

Neurosis fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Oct 1, 2018

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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site posted:

Uber is great, would highly recommend

You need to start with volume 1, titled simply "Uber" cuz uber invasion is a direct continuation from that

It's funny in hindsight because when it first came out many people just thought of it as a stupid juvenile project. I always thought it had a bit more going for it than that since it had some non-trite reflections on war and some interesting alternative history that was a lot more grounded in reality than most alt history comics, but I wouldn't have anticipated it would have the sort of staying power it has had. The themes have emerged much better during Invasion, having said that.

Also re the issue I'm thinking one narrative path for Maria could be despite her best intentions she is unable to resist meddling when she sees people doing it wrong (as she views things) post-Stalin. That partly follows from my own understanding of societies as having some root in the broad equivalences of one person and another, physically, such that no single person can muster such a huge amount of force that their whims are the commands of the rest of a nation, and that in times of chaos people are more likely to cling to authoritarianism to get a feeling of security, such that it's likely the population will not behave as Maria envisages things. Not that I think this is the probable path but it's one I can see.

Neurosis fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Oct 5, 2018

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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BigglesSWE posted:

New Uber invasion is out. Put a neat little end on a number of storylines.

Yep. A few gut punches there. [Even with so many of the characters doing morally reprehensible things, it's hard not to get attached to the ones who look good by comparison to the monsters.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Well Leah is mostly fixed now courtesy of Maria. Presumably her next deployment will take account of how she got broken by the two German cruisers last time.

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Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

If her engagement against the cruisers was any indication, she’s pretty close to indestructible from a distance and deadly up close. No halo effect limits what you can do and even with a “fixed” leg she’s pretty limited as to the fights she can partake. Both of her successful engagements involved the element of surprise.

I’m sure Patton will have a few more tricks for her now that she’s back from Russia.

I doubt Razor’s coming back, though. One unintended positive effect from Russia's end is that Leah is now proof the halo effect can be used to recreate/heal flesh and injuries. As of the last issue, only Maria, her students, and Germany/Goebbels had shown this in use. so maybe they'll turn some R&D into fixing Razor back into play.


Perhaps there'll be some way to fix the younger Rivers brother who has a pre-existing condition that put him in a wheelchair? Definitely more speculative than fixing Razor, of course, but given they're two of the... What, four? Five? Unambiguously sympathetic characters in the series I'm hoping things work out for them.

As I think of fairly conscience-clean characters we spend any amount of time with: Razor, Dunkirk, Leah, Turing, the Rivers, maybe the first Colossus - who we don't get to spend too much time with... Definitely not Maria, who was at least killing Soviet Uber trainees who were not necessarily bad people. None of these characters are movers and shakers except maybe Turing, it can be noted - perhaps they wouldn't be so clean if they had to make the same decisions.

But yeah, I really hope they get to fix Razor, his current state is horrifying.

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