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leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Volte posted:

3 weeks into writing elixir full time and i dont want to write anything else ever again. i dont even care that it's dynamically typed, for some reason it doesn't seem to matter.

i wish i could write erlang full time, it's just so pleasant every time i pick it up :smith:

# ¿ Sep 26, 2016 04:48

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 14:30

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

pedantic argument: nullable types (and by extension pointers) are an implementation of maybe types
if there is a value, the thing is not null; if there is not it is null

# ¿ Sep 26, 2016 12:39

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

good luck writing a disruptive app in c++

netsec tools are cool and good

# ¿ Sep 29, 2016 12:43

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Corla Plankun posted:

rails was really good back when only 8 people at a time visited websites

so never

i agree

# ¿ Oct 1, 2016 01:03

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

hobbesmaster posted:

did they just look at C#/.net and say "hmmm this looks really straightforward, it's not an appropriate replacement for win32"

you know what makes less sense but would make it easier for me to get a job in SF 8 months from now? javascript

# ¿ Oct 2, 2016 01:43

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

JawnV6 posted:

objection: traipsing about ignoring byte and/or cache line boundaries is expensive
counter: GUYS ITS A LINKED LIST, C'MON

reminds me of the guy in my college calc class who disagreed with the fundamental theorem of calculus, because "what if you zoom in and it's nonlinear"

did you tell him that you already zoomed in all the way?

# ¿ Oct 5, 2016 02:43

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

hobbesmaster posted:

gently caress I'd rather use qt creator on non qt code

i just use vim with syntastic and youcompleteme. it's pretty good.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2016 13:31

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Xarn posted:

This.

If you cannot run VS, YOSPOS!

I have VS in a VM. it's alright, I guess.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2016 16:17

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

netcat posted:

it's also, from my experience, incredibly slow and vim being vim halts everything while it tries to figure out what to autocomplete. maybe it's fine on smaller codebases.

yeah, most of the projects I work on are in the 10s/low 100s, not 1000s KLOC. on larger projects I end up turning off automatically looking for completions. I've also been working in C# a lot lately, which I use monodevelop for completion through omnisharp and doesn't suffer quite so much from that issue. if stuck on java, I use eclim which is also surprisingly nice.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2016 12:25

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

leftist heap posted:

good auto complete is insanely good, regardless of whether stupid idiots use it to grub around their garbage code bases. the argument that "well, I just write code good enough to not need autocomplete " is asinine and made by jealous plangers. meanwhile the rest of us don't need to wait till runtime to figure out we called the wrong method or got the arguments out of order or switch to the stdlib docs just because we forgot the exact name of the method that foozles bars or whatever because we use it once every two years.

I've found error highlighting way more useful generally than autocomplete/docs, but it's pretty close.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2016 18:19

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

gonadic io posted:

please don't conflate programming skill/experience/training with intelligence (or nationality) tia

cheap outsourcing shops have perverse incentives to deliver garbage even if they're capable of delivering quality.
there are a large number of these in India (for software specifically). china/argentina have similar shops for art. i'm sure other fields have similar orgs.

it's not unreasonable to conflate cost with expected quality..

# ¿ Oct 11, 2016 12:48

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Shaggar posted:

one of c#'s greatest strengths is not running on linux.

mono is good

# ¿ Oct 12, 2016 02:49

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Sagacity posted:

that is incorrect

i assume you've never tried to run a big c# server app in production on mono, on linux? (and if you haven't, don't worry, you have made the right choice there)

lomarf, no, why would you do that when you could just deploy to azure or whatnot

i have used mono to work on .net projects on my mac and it works ok. it's good.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2016 11:18

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

why not just rename it c++/-- at this point?

# ¿ Oct 24, 2016 14:05

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Sapozhnik posted:

u guys realize they're called concurrency primitives for a reason right

yes, it's so primitives can use them

# ¿ Nov 29, 2016 22:23

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Athas posted:

Jesus Christ, while I think type-level programming in Coq or Idris is complicated, at least there is some coherency and fundamental simplicity at play. C++ is just a nightmare. Even Haskell isn't close to that complexity.

haskell will only ever hope to aspire to make functional programming as complicated as c++.

every time i deal with the inefficacy of c# templates i die on the inside and dream of again being abused by c++ tho.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 14:33

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Slurps Mad Rips posted:

yeah im not gonna laugh at that because when enable_if/SFINAE clicked it was several years ago after staring at it for weeks. i feel like with c++ template metaprogramming theres a mental state before and after understanding and using enable_if and i cannot get into that pre dark magick mental state and i legit wonder sometimes if i would be happier not knowing what i know but then i remember that i implemented interface restraints for concepts entirely in c++14 and i realize im in too deep for it to matter.

when i wrote my first optional type i used aligned_storage instead of aligned_storage_t so welcome to the club

i miss C++ so bad :saddowns:

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 22:49

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

BiohazrD posted:

holy lol c++ is even more dogshit than I thought

i didn't even think that was possible

cool wrongpinion you have there
C++ is art

# ¿ Dec 2, 2016 14:17

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Powaqoatse posted:

you should get a real doctor to look at that

it's not normal? :ohdear:

# ¿ Dec 4, 2016 15:34

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Nehacoo posted:

It's kind of amazing that someone was so upset about an internet person's taste in video games that they chose to spend tenbux trying to shame them for it

I can't even fathom the thought process behind such an action

Soricidus posted:

it might just have been a really petty admin

i don't understand the shame if that was the goal. hl2 is bad and mon hun is good. :shrug:

# ¿ Dec 5, 2016 18:09

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Uncle Enzo posted:

actually when I encounter an optical illusion / buffer overflow, it just doesn't look like anything to me

update your brain software

# ¿ Dec 6, 2016 21:11

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

all this cpp talk is making me miss it.

am i broken?

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 16:01

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Captain Foo posted:

holy poo poo hackbunny what the how do you do this

i can't even parse anything, my eyes just slide off the page

but at the same time, i think it's interesting. I think. Can't tell, dying

you'll be fine have another coffee :coffeepal:

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 17:28

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

redleader posted:

what we really need is a more thorough set of constructs for working with loops:
code:
for (...) {
}
finally {
    // run if loop runs to completion
}
catch {
    // run if break used to exit loop 
}
else {
    // run if loop never entered
}
of course, we're reusing existing keywords for maximum backwards compatibility (and confusion)

why are you using a for loop anyway? just map a function across your collection

# ¿ Dec 11, 2016 16:13

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Slurps Mad Rips posted:

the commit under review is here. a lot of stuff is similar to what you or i have done but there are some neat tricks for dealing with types that have a deleted destructor

fhtagn

# ¿ Dec 13, 2016 21:14

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Malcolm XML posted:

the numpy stuff is fine since its all c but I forgot how poo poo Python is when it comes to stuff like multithreading and just generally being slow as gently caress to do anything, and all the goddamn little bugs that aren't caught by the type system

vs is too expensive.

vs is free..? at least unless your an enterprise at which point it's not your money and the money is probably there.. :shrug:

# ¿ Dec 19, 2016 01:40

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

redleader posted:

you also forgot erlang!

erlang is great, currently influencing a upcoming distributed systems project into using it.

well OTP is great. I'm not that into the whole multiple punctuation for similar things thing. but I haven't looked at the new hipster erlang enough to know if it's good.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2016 23:12

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

MononcQc posted:

On the Erlang VM, Alpaca is the current hipste

wow I'm out of the loop, I thought it was still phoenix/elixir.

I talked up erlang in the office once and the guy that's really into languages used it as a segue to talk about lisp, him having used LFE at some point. I bet LFE could be the new hipste if they rebranded to a cute animal.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2016 23:23

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

BiohazrD posted:

if your language uses anything but c style syntax you're just reinventing the wheel to be a unique snowflake

lisp predates algol though

Slurps Mad Rips posted:

unfortunately a lot of important stuff c or c++ is used for (like financial, gamedev, low latency, HPC, embedded, etc.) usually ends up requiring careful memory management and rust cant possibly hope to dethrone c++ or c unless it gives that level of control.

yeah sure it's a micro-optimization if you're doing something that runs on a phone or desktop, but anything else is gonna be a pain if you dont let me say what is allocated where and when

I wish I was doing something that required careful memory management. most non-engine gamedev stuff it just doesn't come up. I have a couple extra orders of magnitude of memory and cycles for almost everything I do. :downs:

hell, most of the engine stuff I've done it hasn't been a huge deal. if object allocation is a bottleneck in your net code then lol you have problems.

I guess I could try to get a better thermal profile, but no one (especially consumers) cares.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2016 08:13

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

is there a decent online python tutorial that uses it on the context of real problems rather than hello world? i feel like i should learn it just to have something popular in my toolbelt but i get so bored with toy stuff.

python is used for toy problems though :v:

maybe try pygame tutorials or something? it's used a lot in data science, but that seems to mostly be boiler plate around shoving data into an extant framework.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2016 19:11

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

what if the null is coming from a data store that's pulling it from a third party microservice using a db that's being written to by a six different systems asynchronously??? what now genius?

then you need to validate data coming into the db

# ¿ Dec 25, 2016 12:41

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

gonadic io posted:

be prepared to write out every function 4 times

mods

# ¿ Dec 31, 2016 14:02

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

MrMoo posted:

Big plans for a new project to use Elixir, but start prototyping in Node.js, and it's like this isn't too terrible

why not just start with something good though?

# ¿ Jan 28, 2017 15:34

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

MrMoo posted:

aah, the superbly awesome library somehow manages to crash when executed through Node. How the gently caress? Took hours debugging that stuff to get nested deep within the library setup and everything indicating success and boom, segfaults in the library.

I still don't want to build web sockets in C++ so I'm likely to build a basic protocol above TCP and farm out to something else to convert to web sockets.

Just use the thing you already said that you had plans to use.

http://www.phoenixframework.org/docs/channels

# ¿ Jan 29, 2017 22:33

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

AggressivelyStupid posted:

I pronounce tuple like two-ple. It feels right and I'm not sorry.

it is right and you shouldn't be

# ¿ Jan 31, 2017 14:33

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Powaqoatse posted:

actually manga are read right to left

some of them in America are flipped in translation so your not strictly correct, actually

# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 14:42

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

comedyblissoption posted:

redundancy for the sake of redundancy can hurt readability is my point. creating intermediate variables when you could alternatively just simply describe the data flow can be worse to read.

it can also be better; there are no one size fits all approaches

# ¿ Feb 22, 2017 20:16

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Doom Mathematic posted:

So exactly what advantage is a reference supposed to give over a pointer then? It sounds to me as if they have all of the exact same drawbacks.

can't be null? :shrug:

# ¿ May 18, 2017 12:44

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

the talent deficit posted:

again, you understand that's my whole point right? ASTs are designed for a single purpose and not as an accessible representation of a program in their own right

i'm not criticizing anyone or any current languages, i would just like to see what we'd end up with if we started at AST and worked out rather than starting at the ends and working in

scheme

# ¿ Aug 28, 2017 21:24

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 14:30

leper khan: Dec 28, 2010; Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

pretty sure email doesn't need a . after the @

# ¿ Sep 20, 2017 16:23

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