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Recent news out of Brazil is that Atletico Mineiro made an official offer for Forlan, something around 6 million euros over 2 years.
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May 23, 2012 07:54
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I don't think that matters. Pretty much every Brazilian team right now is a bunch of loan players, young promises, and has beens. Flu went from 1 point above the relegation zone in 08 and 09 to champions in 10, Vasco was 7 points from relegation in 10 and runners up in 11, and conversenly cruzeiro went from runners up in 10 to 2 points above relegation in 11. Point being, other than Sao Paulo, Santos and Internacional, which have been consistently good throughout the decade, every other Brazilian club has been pretty much assembling teams on a year by year basis, with wildly different results each time. Even Corinthians was relegated just a few seasons ago.
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May 23, 2012 21:04
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Vinestalk posted:That I did not know. I didn't see him play at Inter, but I always thought he wasn't playing from that far back for Atletico Madrid. I knew Aguero led the line there. Other than the three aforementioned teams (Santos, Sao Paulo, Internacional), pretty much every other team has been wildly inconsistent. Does Forlan solve Atletico Mineiro's problems by himself? Certainly not, and if spending that money prevents them from getting a decent goalkeeper it might hurt. But there is also no reason this doesn't play out like Conca in Fluminense in 2010 (a team that by then had an even worse history than Atletico Mineiro) or Petkovic in Flamengo in 09.
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May 23, 2012 22:35
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K-Flow posted:I'm watching this game right now and am completely confused at Mancini being on the field. Wasn't he just sent to prison in November last year? I cannot find a single thing on google about him being released. Somebody please help me figure this out before my head explodes He was found guilty and sentenced to prison, but by the time the trial was over he was already back in Brazil, and Brazil does not extradite its own citizens.
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May 28, 2012 09:48
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Ronaldinho is about to sign with Atletico Mineiro, who are reportedly also after Adriano. I guess this is where that old expression "having more money than sense" applies.
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Jun 4, 2012 19:37
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Victor to atletico Mg. Bmg probably had lots of off the books profits this year that needs laundering.
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Jul 1, 2012 23:01
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Machado de Assis posted:valeu timão Because people always hate the favorites? Or, more importantly, because people will always hate the "establishment" teams? When Flamengo is relevant, they tend to get the same type of hate.
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Jul 6, 2012 04:15
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Forlan signed with Internacional.
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Jul 6, 2012 19:30
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The match between Atletico MG and Vasco, the two teams leading the Brazilian league so far, will be streamed by espn3 this weekend. Sunday at 3 eastern.
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Aug 10, 2012 19:31
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For those in the US, this sunday ESPN 3 will be showing Atletico-MG x Gremio. 2 of the top 3 teams in the brazilian league right now.
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Sep 22, 2012 06:43
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If you can understand Portuguese, the following is a good example of the level of corruption that is involved in hosting the world cup: http://blogdojuca.uol.com.br/2013/02/quem-recebe-e-quem-passa-a-bola-da-copa-em-minas/ If you don't understand the language, here's a brief summary: Belo Horizonte, one of the cities hosting the world cup, has 2 stadiums, a smaller one built for the 1950 world cup and a bigger one. The plan for the world cup was to upgrade the bigger one. But since Belo Horizonte has 2 teams in the 1st division, they wanted to make sure they had a place to play while the bigger stadium (Mineirao) was being fixed. So they decided to refurbish the smaller stadium (Independencia) as well. The plan was that Independencia would be fixed in the first half of 2010, and when it reopened they would then close Mineirao for its upgrades. But they only started the work on Independencia much later than anticipated, and so it closed at the same time as Mineirao did. And then the Independencia renovation took about 3 times longer than anticipated. So they had to refurbish a 3rd stadium, some 50 miles from Belo Horizonte, so that the professional teams could play there. Final costs: Fixing Arena do Jacare (the one 50 miles from Belo Horizonte): r$ 12 million (the equivalent to US$6 million) Fixing Independencia (the smaller stadium in Belo Horizonte): R$ 150 million (US$ 75 million) - and this one was only ready about 8 months before Mineirao, instead of the expected 2 years Fixing Mineirao (the one that will actually host the World Cup): R$650 million (US$ 325 million) - and this is only so far. When Mineirao reopened last weekend, parts of the stadium didn't have electricity, bathrooms didn't have water, most bars didn't open, and the parking deck wasn't working properly, and the field was getting flooded, so they might need to redo it.
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Feb 8, 2013 17:41
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Gigi Galli posted:325 million and its still hosed; that's incredible. Is it down to cronyism and super low bid contracts and the usual poo poo or is it more sinister? The stadiums are publicly owned, but companies bid for the contracts to renovate the stadiums in exchange of getting its lease for the next few decades. Nor surprisingly, the companies that won also have a few million dollars donated to the campaigns of the governor of Minas Gerais and the mayor of Belo Horizonte. In this particular example (since every host city handled things differently), there was a clear incentive to gently caress things up. "Oops, work on this stadium is late? Better go refurbish an additional one. Here's some more money."
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Feb 8, 2013 18:27
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Sao Paulo forgot that there is no offsides off of throw ins. And Ronaldinho, even this old and slow version, is still amazing.
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Feb 14, 2013 03:33
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Some talk in the Brazilian media about possible harsh punishment against Corinthians, as apparently their supporters did something that caused the death of a 14 year old kid in Bolivia.
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Feb 21, 2013 07:23
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Flares already were not allowed in either Brazil or Bolivia.
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Feb 25, 2013 06:28
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I find it extremely unlikely that they would withdraw from it. They invested a boatload of money this year and I am pretty sure that they'd lose at least the TV money, which is quite substantial, if they went through with it. I think that the far more likely scenario, knowing CBF and conmebol, is that when the full disciplinary committee meets they will reduce the punishment to a specific number of games, not the entire tournament.
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Feb 27, 2013 18:56
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In one of those ridiculous things typical of conmebol, Sao Paulo was allowed to change the game it will serve its punishment for the events of the sudamericana final: instead of serving it against Atletico, they will serve it against Arsenal.
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Mar 1, 2013 16:17
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Ronaldinho with a goal and an assist so far. Amazing what a change of scenery can do to a player.
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Mar 8, 2013 03:07
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El Hefe posted:Anyone watching Atletico Mineiro - Arsenal? What a loving disgrace what's happening at the end, why must this always happen in SA? I thought that everything would be under control and die down, and some insane Arsenal player then just ran up and kicked the riot shield one of the policemen was holding. It all went downhill from there. On the other hand, Ronaldinho makes it look so easy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEAoLEFAF18
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Apr 4, 2013 04:56
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hecko posted:I don't think the answer is that simple. Maybe it's a mixture between inexperienced teams without the knowledge of how manage this kind of situations, (from having your own security and filming everything to schooling the players how to react when this happens), exaggerated rivalry against the visiting team and a overzealous police force that doesn't work to prevent or minimize violence but contribute to make it worse (like having policemen with shotguns inside the field). Nevermind, you edited "here" to be clearer. Many other teams have gotten into these brawls (santos vs penarol, etc).
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Apr 7, 2013 21:44
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So apparently Sao Paulo is upset that Atletico Mineiro was granted its request that the ref for thursday not be Brazilian. The fact that this is an issue at all speaks volumes about how much each side trusts conmebol and cbf.
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May 1, 2013 16:16
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Atletico winning 3 x 0 so far, with Atletico hitting the post a couple of times and so on. Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo's gk) should really retire... edit: 4, 3 by Jo.
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May 9, 2013 03:25
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Too bad the best play of the game didn't end in a goal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsmd2Ggbo0I and here's the goals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbQply4sJGQ joepinetree fucked around with this message at 06:42 on May 9, 2013 |
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May 9, 2013 04:56
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So with Gremio out, it is not possible to have an all Brazil final anymore. If both Atletico and Fluminense advance, they will be matched up in the semifinals. At this point, I think that the semifinals are going to be Atletico x Fluminense and Newell's x Independiente Santa Fe. And honestly, the real final would be Atletico X Flu.
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May 17, 2013 18:00
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What the hell is up with the field at Tijuana?
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May 24, 2013 02:27
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Magrov posted:It's artificial grass. No wonder they haven't suffered a goal at home. that field is ridiculous.
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May 24, 2013 02:48
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poetic justice that the 2nd goal of atletico mineiro came in a play where the Tijuana defender mistimed the bounce of the ball.
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May 24, 2013 03:28
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While the match was fun, it wasn't very good soccer. All the goals came from bad defensive failures, and Atletico Mineiro especially was having a hard time adjusting to the surface. I honestly think it is ridiculous that FIFA apparently went back on their decision to ban artificial turf.
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May 25, 2013 03:16
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10 penalty shots for each side and no winner yet.
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May 30, 2013 01:52
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When both teams leave the field crying, you know it was a great game.
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May 31, 2013 05:01
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There was a tijuana player clearly offsides in that goal. He may not have hit the ball, but he was close enough to the play that it was absolutely the right call. Reffing wasn't perfect, but it was pretty even and both teams have stuff to complain about, so it wasn't what determined the outcome.
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May 31, 2013 09:31
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Atletico Mineiro was also without its 2 central defenders ( Rever is suspended and Leonardo Silva hurt) and defensive midfielder (Donizete is hurt).
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Jul 4, 2013 05:00
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GALO! Atletico wants to give me a heart attack...
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Jul 11, 2013 04:28
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In another weird conmebol decision, Atletico won't be able to play at their current stadium because it only seats ~22000 people and conmebol demands a stadium with a minimum capacity of 40000, but Olimpia will be able to play at defensores, which seats 31000 (36000 if people stand).
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Jul 11, 2013 22:22
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hecko posted:That's not new, remember when Atletico Paranaense had to play against Sao Paulo in Porto Alegre because the same rule? I guess they let Olimpia play in a smaller stadium because it's the largest in Paraguay. Yes, I remember that, but this time it involves allowing one and not the other. It is specially ridiculous because Independencia looks to be in much better shape (light issues notwithstanding) than Defensores del Chaco (and the only way its capacity comes to 36000 is by making parts of the stadium standing room only). Ultimately it doesn't matter much because Atletico will play in belo horizonte itself, but still...
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Jul 11, 2013 23:37
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In more conmebol drama, Olimpia has released only 1600 tickets for the Atletico Mineiro supporters, despite rules saying that 10% of all tickets must be reserved for the visiting team (and for the final the minimum is supposed to be 4000). The reason they give for that is safety. It wouldn't be libertadores without some off the field drama like this.
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Jul 16, 2013 16:20
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I never, ever thought I'd see this happen. I've been an Atletico (and, for the record, people in Brazil call it Atletico or Atletico Mineiro, never just Mineiro) fan since my father first took me to a match in 1983. For people familiar with the Brazilian league, Atletico has long had this reputation as a team with terrible luck, always choking in key moments. Back when the Brazilian league had a playoffs, Atletico was the team that had reached the semifinals the most times, but they only won it once, in 1971. Partly bad luck, partly weak political power within CBF, Atletico was famous for "dying at the beach" (see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/morrer_na_praia ). It is a history that involves being the only undefeated runner up in Brazilian league history, when in 1977 it lost on PKs to sao paulo. A history that involves firing Tele Sant'anna because of his "pe frio," or bad luck, after he reached the semifinals in 1987 undefeated and lost to flamengo (soon after that, Tele won literally everything there was to win at Sao Paulo). That in 1995 lost a conmebol cup after winning the first leg in the final 4-0. All culminating in being relegated to the second division in 2005, while the main in town rivals, cruzeiro, was winning almost everything. And so while I understand that is a bit irrational to be this happy or to care this much about sports, I also can't help but think back to all the disappointments I had lived through with Atletico, all the memories I have of going to the stadium back when I lived in Brazil and my father was still alive, or how I could always get my father to talk about Atletico, even as the cancer that eventually claimed his life started to drain his energy and will to live. It is sort of poetic that a team that has lost so many penalty shoot-outs, had lost so many titles in the final minutes, finally wins it in this manner. Volkerball posted:That was an incredible game. Here's all the highlights. The problem with Campeonato Brasileiro is the absolutely insane Brazilian schedule, made worse by the confederations cup. The schedule is so bloated that teams that lose in the Brazilian cup get entered into Sudamericana. That is, even if you do poorly and lose, they'll still find a way to get teams playing an inordinate amount of games. This is all on top of things like state championships and the like. The reason I mention this is because it is quite likely that some of the better teams, like internacional, corinthians or cruzeiro will rest key starters if they get deeper in copa do brasil or sudamericana. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Jul 25, 2013 07:16
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I thought this was a cool video: http://youtu.be/Ka1vIxWeMCA Panoramic view of Belo Horizonte after Atletico won.
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Jul 28, 2013 04:57
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Volkerball posted:Is Jo out too? I think Jo is even more important than Bernard. Atletico's entire offense relies on either Ronaldinho's long passes or Jo playing the pivot up front. Luan can sort of substitute Bernard, but Atletico has no one who can replace Ronaldinho or Jo, even at a lower level. In any case, this sort of performance was to be expected. Atletico has 3 wins 1 draw and 6 losses. Last year Corinthians had 3 wins 2 draws 5 losses at the same point, sams as Santos in 2011. The main thing for Atletico now is Bernard deciding his fate. If he takes the offer from the Ukraine, its 25 million euros that Atletico will be able to spend to improve the team.
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Aug 5, 2013 03:26
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I think it is a pretty bad idea. In Europe they have not only the advantage of infrastructure, but they have certain marquee, almost all star teams that will draw a large crowd even if the teams' supporters don't show up. Even in the extreme example of a London to Moscow distance, Manchester U v Chelsea was a big enough game that the stadium was filled with not only fans of the teams, but also a lot of Russians. Now, maybe other countries are different, but in Brazil most people lose interest in the libertadores once their teams are out. This year was an oddity because lots of fans of other clubs decided to support Atletico, so the ratings were high. But when Cruzeiro played Estudiantes in 2009, for example, the final wasn't even broadcast nationally in Brazil.
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