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Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Mr Enderby posted:

Seriously, how much do scales cost? Less than the ingredients of one meal.

Yes, well. Ideally all recipes would use weights, but they often don't. And if someone in Australia decides to make an American recipe that uses cups, they're likely going to be using the wrong cup unit.

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Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
I'm aware of the existence of scales, but that doesn't negate the fact that units of measurement can share a name but vary in magnitude, depending on where and when you are.

Speaking of units of measurement, I know that the Japanese koku was allegedly the amount of rice that could feed a person for a year. There was, I believe, a Chinese equivalent. Are there other units of measurement that came from the usage of what it measures?

(Incidentally, the 180ml cup that comes with Japanese rice cookers is based on the unit that is 1/1000 of a koku. Thanks Wikipedia.)

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Power Khan posted:

*Carnyx solo*

I know you're making a throwaway joke, but I'm not sure that'd be so bad:

https://youtu.be/lVFGT2NX-YQ

You could at least get a decent cover of Cantaloupe Island.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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skasion posted:

(and remember legionary officers, particularly centurions, had a relatively high casualty rate)

What's the reason for this? Is it a large fluffy hat making you a more obvious target? Or just more likely to be in the thick of things?

There's a bit in Claudius the God where a legionary talks about some ruse of Claudius being clever, but seeing as they avoid battle, unhappy that the absence of officer deaths limited promotion potential. Kinda makes more sense now.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
I was watching Valhalla Rising last night and had a Wiki odessey which lead to reading about weregeld. The article mentioned that the system of monetary compensation for a person's killing died out as Christianity spread in favour of capital punishment.

Now I know that, historically, the practice of Christianity doesn't always match the actual tenets, but this seemed weird. It's a bit niche, but would anyone be able to shed some light on this transition?

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

FreudianSlippers posted:

I think it's partly that the rise of Christianity coincided with increased centralisation of government.

This is possible, because the previous paragraph in the article mentions reintroduction of Roman law in the 12th century and is referenced from the same text.

Weka posted:

I don't think you can tie the rise of christianity to the end of wergild, atleast in England, which was nominally converted over the 7th century, yet wergild was still in effect during the reign of Alfred the great, some 200 years later.
When was it removed from the Salic code? I suspect christianity and weregild were contemperanous amongst the Franks for a century or two aswell.

The bit I'm curious about is referenced but I can't find anywhere online to see the text. It says it was still around from 9th to 12th Century in the HRE, so yeah, contemporous. It kind of implies a change in attitude to how personhood is viewed, like you go from being able to put a dollar value on an injury like a person is a TV or a car, to punishing it and punishing it severely.

(I also like the note that in Beowulf, one of Hrothgar's issues with Grendel is that he's not paying the wergeld for his murders, which is just RUDE.)

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

cheetah7071 posted:

My understanding was that the weregild was less about putting a dollar value on a life, and more about putting a dollar value on your right to revenge.

ChubbyChecker posted:

Correct, it wasn't a fine, it was a method of stopping blood feuds.

Well, that's something new I've learnt today. I'm starting to understand the appeal of capital punishment for a central authority now, especially if someone had differing views on the value of revenge.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

CleverHans posted:

I'd say that it was a much more equitable solution, but, even then, it greatly differed by social class, with the poor swinging at the end of a rope and those of rank treated to a swift beheading (assuming they were lucky enough to get a competent and sober ax/swordsman).

Hence the populist appeal of the guillotine: instantaneous, ostensibly painless ends for all!

Yeah, the concept is appealing even if the execution (har de har) is a whole new can of worms.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Why not just Tarpeian Rock

Ugh, that's all the way up the top of the hill. Let's just strangle everyone on the Gemonian Stairs and call it a day.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
A bit of reading suggests that the transition might also be from murder/killing as a civil matter to being a criminal matter.

Apparently in traditional Islamic jurisprudence, it is up to the family of the deceased to prosecute rather than the state. In doing so, they may ask for equal retaliation (qisas) or possibly accept blood money (diya).

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Don Gato posted:

Just be like Edo period Japan, where the state is centralized and powerful enough to own a monopoly on violence but the people with swords still think blood vengeance is both cool and good, so you end up setting up a department of blood vengeance that clearly establishes the rules and licenses needed to get revenge for a father/older brother's death. Helped cut down massively on the amount of blood vengeance when killing people without the proper paperwork was a good way of getting yourself executed.

Lone Wolf and Cub and form BD4565/k Application for Blood Vengeance against a Government Official and/or Secret Family Organisation and the related supporting documents (certified).

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

sullat posted:

Hard to enjoy your spa holiday when there's a ghost following you around complaining about you spending 2 weeks in Nozawaonsen "looking for clues" rather than avenging their death.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Mr. Nice! posted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

It refers to when Hitler, after he took power, executed a lot of the brownshirts that got him there.

Its a lot older than that!

(I'll admit that's what I first thought of too...)

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

feedmegin posted:

Yeah it's this

The Nazi one did not literally involve long knives, they had perfectly good guns by then.

I was wondering if perhaps a long knife was a specific weapon cos I feel you'd want a short knife if you're hiding it in a shoe, but Wikipedia flicked me to the page for Messer (which is sli-i-ightly longer than a knife). Now I'm picturing a bunch of 5th century dudes trying to act nonchalant while clanking around with swords in their shoes.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Libluini posted:

"Nacht der Messer"

Thank you, but I do not wish to see your CutCo demonstration.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Rockopolis posted:

Is the Vespasian coin scratch-and-sniff?

I would like to know if you have any pics of Vespasian collecting a urine tax while looking embarrassed haha just for laughs.

(More seriously, I feel that Vespasian has the most consistent representation on coins and statues - that coin portrait looks just like the busts I've seen.)

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

by.a.teammate posted:

Just wondering if anyone is watching that new samurai documentary on Netflix? It's seems high production values but really pulpy history. I have no evidence to back this up though just a hunch and I wondered if someone with actual knowledge knew more?

Not an expert, but I had to stop watching as soon as it hit the katana being the best sword ever and the samurai being the best warriors ever, like no-one else anywhere ever was making swords or waging constant war. Which was annoying, cos I was interested in Oda Nobunaga.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Bar Ran Dun posted:

Tanning is super duper gross. Brain, liver, fat, salt rubbing gross.

Modern tanning is even grosser. “Wet Salted Hides” are shipped internationally by vessel unrefrigerated. The 40’ containers leak rotting salted blood.

You're forgetting the periods inbetween with piss, poo poo and probably anthrax. Usually on the major water course through a large city, too.

Crab Dad posted:

Maybe the kings palace was just behind the tanning factory? I suppose human leather is just as good as lamb skin for stuff who knows I’m not Buffalo Bill.

Apparently human leather is tricky to make. I need to find the source, but I'm pretty sure I've read our skin is a bit delicate for good leather making.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Big Willy Style posted:

how does it go for making parchment?

Dunno, but it gets used to bind books, time to time. There was a bit of a fad during the Reign of Terror.

Anthropodermic bibliopegy, what a wonderful phrase!

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Kassad posted:

I want to know more about Sumerian protection rackets.

Hey, that's a pretty nice ziggurat you have there. It's be a SHAME if something happened to defile it...

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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I feel it comes up every couple of years, but isn't the cat hole where Caesar got stabbed?

Before it was the cat hole, obviously.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
Would anyone know anything about kingship (or queenship) as a sacred role, where the fate of the ruler is seen as tied to the land they rule? I remember reading something about African (I think) tribes where a fat king was good, as that meant the land was productive, whereas a thin king would indicate something was wrong, and the king was usually killed as a corrective measure.

I'm also sure there was something about a king ruling for a limited time before being ritually slain, but I might be confusing that with Slaine the Horned God (the comic).

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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The Lone Badger posted:

Try searching for 'fisher king'.

Thanks, I knew there was a term for it.

Otteration posted:

Lots of bog bodies are presumed to be kings or nobles sacrificed in hard times:

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/bog-bodies-are-kings-sacrificed-by-celts-says-expert-129289548-237410131

E: I remember hearing about temp symbolic kings in Celtic culture too, but not finding it and not sure of the exact context. Or maybe Sumer, so there you go. Anyone?

Ooh, that's pretty cool. I came across the concept of three-fold death when trying to find this kind of thing, and it seems they were very literal about it.

Koramei posted:

In a slightly less direct sense, I don't think that's actually such a rare concept in premodern societies though is it? The later European divine right "we're just better than you no matter what, deal with it" thing is maybe even more of an exception, compared to the rulers being held at least somewhat responsible?

I think you're right and I feel the abstraction of power comes with the increasing size of a kingdom or empire.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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I'd prefer they'd kept the bog sacrifice, tbh.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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I used to work in a casino and this reminds me of a round of executive lay offs when table game numbers weren't doing so well or hadn't increased as promised by said executives. Like they had power over probability itself.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
I'd follow Vespasian on Twitter. I feel he'd be like an ancient George Wallace.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Crab Dad posted:

Watch if animals eat it first would be most of the work I’d assume. After that yeah little nibbles. Truly amazing is someone found the first non-bitter almond mutant.

"Look, the birds are eating those little pointy red fruit without problems. I'm sure it'll be fine for us..."

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Crab Dad posted:

Dont the birds get hosed up on it and fly into poo poo if they eat many?

I don't think so, that would probably defeat the purpose of using birds to spread your seeds.

If you've seen something confirming it, I'd like to read it, though.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Should've got ten seasons with Vorenus and Pullo just mysteriously being at the centre of events and never aging.

Easy done. They rejoin the legions in Judea, end up on watch duty at a bunch of crucifixions, Titus pokes some Jewish bloke claiming to be King of the Jews with a spear so they can knock off early. Wander the earth until Judgement day.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Jeb Bush 2012 posted:

well even getting to that point probably makes them both over 100 years old

Crap, you're right. Fine. They can piss off Apollo or something then.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Yeah, I actually looked him up after my post cos I couldn't remember how to spell his name. I swear I've read somewhere he got the poo poo immortality thing, but I must have him confused with the Wandering Jew.

Or the Roman dude in Borges' City of the Immortals.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Brawnfire posted:

You ever seen ROAR?

My brain keeps reading that as RUR and getting confused. What's ROAR?

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Brawnfire posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roar_(American_TV_series)

At one point in the show one of the main bad guys is Longinus, who is effectively immortal due to never being allowed the peace of death, but he's a huge loving rear end in a top hat because he's eternally tormented.

I have never heard of that show. Wonder how they got Heath Ledger on it?

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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skasion posted:

It's 1997, no one knew who he was

I was about to say Two Hands, but that was 1999.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Grand Fromage posted:

Of course none of that was natural either. Americans had been managing that land for thousands of years and had cultivated the forests the way they wanted them to be. I'd prefer managed forests to strip malls, but no human has seen a genuinely natural landscape since long before recorded history. Except for Antarctica and the moon, I suppose.

It was weird when I read about this stuff and realized that unspoiled nature hasn't existed for so long that we have no real idea what it's like. No one's ever seen it, there's no written accounts of it. An unmanaged, fully natural Earth must have been some wild poo poo.

I'd argue south-west Tasmania is pretty close. Nobody's really lived there ever because it's too difficult. I think even the indigenous peoples kept mostly to the coast.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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In fairness to pandas, the number of wildlife documentaries I've seen where some predator walks 1,000,000 km in a day to gently caress up a vague chance at catching and eating a tiny herbavore or two, I'd also be sitting down and chowing on the glorified grass that is RIGHT THERE and that isn't RUNNING AWAY.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Fuschia tude posted:

Aren't their digestive systems so absurdly short they literally can't eat any other plants because their gut microbiology is hyperspecialized to process only bamboo?

I'm pretty sure they were originally carnivores, hence the short digestive tract.

Also, bamboo is easier to spot than tiny berries or hidden roots.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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feedmegin posted:

Trouble is, put someone in a plane and they can...fly somewhere else.

*theme from the Great Escape plays as I pilot my Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka to Switzerland.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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CoolCab posted:

imagining some period captain screaming at his crew "that rigging better last a thousand years!"

More like a lazy Roman sailor railing against a pedantic captain: "It's not like anyone is going to see these knots a thousand years from now. Gosh."

Speaking of practical hairdos, I'd heard that the mullet was great for keeping your neck warm and protecting it from the sun, while keeping hair out of your eyes.

So business at the back and party at the front, in opposition to modern scholarship.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Tulip posted:

It's quite a shame how dedicated contemporary pop culture is to making the past so much less colorful than we know it was. Just randomly covering stuff in mud to indicate 'the past' is parallel to the yellow filter to indicate 'Mexico,' it makes the movie both less honest and less interesting.

I love this article talking about historical accuracy in film and television:

https://www.exurbe.com/the-borgias-vs-borgia-faith-and-fear/

It's mostly comparing the two Borgia series from several years ago, but it talks about historical accuracy without being distracting.

The writer talks about a pair of pants for a Viking Lord that were orange and white striped, which would have been historical accurate for reasons relating to costs of the dye and keeping white fabric clean, which would be impressive to the people of the time, but that are distracting clown pants to a modern audience.

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Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

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Rodrigo Diaz posted:

Segmentata leaves your lower abdomen exposed, where your large intestine is. This is a problem. Additionally, while slashes to the arm don't kill as often as some other wounds, they can cut tendons, sever nerves, all the sorts of things that make someone unable to fight further.

On this note, I vaguely remember reading something in this thread many years ago about archaeologists examining some battle field and a majority of the skeletons had major leg wounds, so for that period a battle would have been a lot of dudes trying to jab each other in the thighs. Which is an amusing mental image.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

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