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Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Welcome back, thread and inhabitants. What would it take for you to actually permanently cut off a regular for their own good? Have any of you done so?

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Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Nth Doctor posted:

Am I a loving weirdo for drinking the Old Fashioned? Well over half the time, the bartender looks at me like I grew a second head. Around a third of they time, they lack either bitters or sugar.

Clearly, you are not in Wisconsin. It's the regional drink it seems. I had been scouring the city for someone who had even heard of one and then I moved here and ordered one and got asked back "whiskey, brandy? Do you want it sweet or sour?"

Daric posted:

James, can we try to get a list together of all the bartenders that post in these threads and what types of venues they're working in?

Like:
Daric - Medium-High Volume Restaurant

Frozen Horse - Research chemist & distiller of bathtub gin

My fallback plan is to start making molecular-gastronomy apertifs although the paperwork is awful and it will involve being hosed by the spare dick that distributors aren't using on their customers.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Sondheim posted:

What's your guilty-pleasure girly mixed drink? Everyone has one.

Does the sidecar count?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Attn GMs: Hire older bartenders; I don't trust anybody younger than me to fix anything more complicated than a gin and tonic, and they'll probably gently caress up the gin:tonic:ice ratio. Now where's my goddamn manhattan? :corsair:

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
If you see a drink on a rather short drink list, is it reasonable to double-take when presented with baffling ignorance about how to make it? Let me set the scenario from last evening:
:v: glances over the drinks menu at a tex-mex place... hmm, they've got caipirinhas listed on the menu as 'made from Brazilian rum, lime, and sugar on the rocks'. Sounds tasty.

:downs: "Can I take your drink order?"

:v: "Yes, I'd like a Caipirinha."

...

:saddowns: "I'm sorry sir, we're out of the muddled strawberries."

:v: "That's fascinating, but what does it have to do with my drink order?"

:downs: "They go in the caipirinha, it wouldn't be the same without them."

:pwn: "I've never heard of putting that in one."

:downs: "I could see if they can make you one without them."

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Shooting Blanks posted:

That's when you order a beer.

I should have done that but I was too busy being stunned with an IRL :pwn: on my face. Not as bad as the time I ordered a Rob Roy and got a Roy Rodgers, though.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Hoops posted:

You people that drink Campari are just biological mutations, my good god.

You put that stuff in your mouth?

Some of us drink it on the rocks, none of this negroni business.

As for DJs, any tips on getting booked? (aside from not sucking)

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

nrr posted:

Smoke and Mirrors:

1oz Absinthe dropped into
3oz Liquid Nitrogen
Garnished with a slap to the face

Did I already post about the tequilasicle experiment?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

nrr posted:

Once again, smoke and mirrors, and a big, beautiful honeypot to catch all those dumbasses who think they're cool as poo poo for throwing money around. If you really enjoy your good quality scotch/cognac that costs a grand + a bottle, then you'll drink it with your friends on your yacht, or in your jet. Not at some lovely bar, trying to impress kids in between Katy Perry songs.

This is all beautiful truth like a diamond bullet to the forehead. I am really a fan of the existence of these ultra-premium cognacs and blended scotches. They keep the noveau-riches assholes from running up the price on stuff like armagnac or calvados.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
There's this liquid handling robot that we've got in the lab. It's essentially a set of syringes, racks and an XYZ-axis robot arm that's all (badly) computer-controlled. With one of the racks replaced with a vortex-mixer and some reprogramming, it could make a martini. But, the price for microliter accuracy on the vermouth is that it will be slower than any human bartender. On the other hand, if you are doing some sort of combinatorial molecular gastronomy project and need a 96-well plate of different variations on a manhattan to have people taste and rate in search of the perfect cocktail, it's your robot. Just hit the go button as you're leaving after closing and it can have a couple hundred variations ready to be thrown on some ice by opening. When it misbehaves on the research project, I threaten it with being sold to a local bar.
There's the other aspect of this, a bartender doesn't have a start-up cost in the tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just the software upgrade for this robot was $2K.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

MisterOblivious posted:

You've gotta admit though, temperature-controlled single-glass pump-the-bottle-with-argon wine dispensers are cool as hell.



Wine can't oxidize when there's no oxygen in the bottle!

That is drat sexy and is something I've been wanting to get a tank of argon, a regulator, a needle, and a cannula and do at home (except for the blue/UV lights, those will do nasty photochemical aging (AKA why beer in clear glass bottles goes skunky quickly) to beverages). It's the same approach as what we do to transfer solutions that do things like catch on fire when exposed to air. Set the regulator (usually also with a bubbler for pressure relief) to a couple of PSI, attach the needle to it, and jam that through the cork. Now, take the cannula (a double-ended needle), and jam it through the cork too. Argon is flowing through the whole thing so no air can get in. When you are doing this with chemicals, you'd push the other end of the cannula through the cork of the flask that you want stuff to go into, but for now, just think of it being pointed into the glass you want to fill. When the first end of the cannula is pushed in further so that it's below the surface of the wine, the argon pressure will build up in the bottle until it pushes the wine through the cannula into the glass. Reverse the above steps when you've poured the desired amount. And that is how to pour wine without taking the cork out.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
I had been hoping it was a Jamesons manhattan garnished with a cornichon.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
A good investment if you can get them to fruit out of season, I suppose.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
So, drink ingredients...
I've heard of many strange things, and drank some of them, but never whaleskin-infused whisky. Can any of you top that, or suggest what to mix it with? :krakken:

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
You could use Kahlua instead and end up with a chili infused White Russian. Garnish with a shaving of unsweetened baking chocolate.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Bacteria love diluted sugar, but they shrivel and die in concentrated sugar. This is why honey will only rarely go bad. The concentration required to achieve this may or may not be reached in your sugar-filled wounds.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
All are cyanoacrylate esters that polymerize when exposed to traces of water. However, superglue is usually ethyl cyanoacrylate whilst the last bottle of FDA-approved wound-glue that I looked at had octyl cyanoacrylate. The longer alkyl chain makes less of it dissolve into the bloodstream during polymerization and slows the polymerization rate, making it heat up less. Both of these are good things. I also agree with sheep-goats that putting superglue over a wound that hasn't been cleaned out well is an excellent way to end up with an infection. Fortunately, you've got a source of flowing water, towels, alcohol for disinfection after washing (finally, a use for Absolut!), and lime and salt if you're into scarification rituals.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

MC Eating Disorder posted:

You know you're my dude and that I only give you poo poo because I want to get in on our tradition of hazing new bartenders before I become (hopefully) the new bartender, btw I wish I'd seen you jump the bar tonight, in spite of the obviously hosed circumstances that were responsible for you doing so

Go on...:allears:

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Dirnok posted:

So if you read that underlined part like I do, we are obligated, by law, to handle poo poo. If we are capable of breaking it up, we break it up (and in my midwest college bar, we're almost always capable). If not or we're not interested in putting hands on some 6'7" linebacker looking son of a bitch, we call the cops. But, our response time is like 5 minutes. I imagine things are very different if you don't have cops already nearby and I have no idea how to go about dealing with poo poo in such circumstances.

It doesn't even need to be within the bar itself. My former neighbourhood bar in my former neighbourhood got its license pulled over the number of shootings taking place in its parking lot. Aside from that, it was a nice place.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

navyjack posted:

Irish cream instead of milk or cream makes it a Blond Russian.

Something for the vegans:
Cocoanut milk makes it a Cuban Missile Crisis.
Soy milk makes it a Great Leap Forward (not recommended).
Rice milk makes it a Ho Chi Minh (nice as an apertif version).
Almond milk makes it a Refusenik.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Ingredients looking for recipes: Tamarind paste. Any ideas?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

FISHMANPET posted:

Also, first time I drank (legally) at a bar I ordered an Appletini because I'm a huge girl and really liked scrubs, and this women at the bar gives me this look and says "Really?"

This is the correct response. Go try a Calvados sour (do not use sour mix) and become enlightened.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

22 Eargesplitten posted:

No experience with that sort of thing, 6'2", 190, occasional gym body. I have taken a bunch of conflict resolution courses, but my entire work experience is manual labor / contracting.

How good are you at spotting fake IDs? Security's other important job is keeping the place from losing its license.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

PT6A posted:

Mojitos are getting this same treatment and it infuriates me. You put mint in the drink, that does not make it a mojito. Things have names for a reason, damnit!

I tried the "gin mojito" at a restaurant this weekend, and I'll admit it was a pretty tasty drink, but it's not a mojito.

This has made me have a thought: are there juleps besides mint juleps? If so, what?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Sheep-Goats posted:

So how many of you work in a place that had a Trayvon Martini requested this weekend?

:ughh: Is it garnished with skittles?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Well, that's about the slowest, least efficient way to do automated mixing and dispensing of liquids. Pretty robots, though.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Sheep-Goats posted:

I worked for a place in NYC that would ruthlessly double and triple ring on large group tabs. The owner/manager would be by the server POS telling the wait staff that if they didn't find a way to "kill" the tab (take it to whatever the customer had allowed the preauth for -- 5k or 10k often) he was going to fire people. There was also a grat on these so there was less resistance than you'd think.

I'd suggest not doing that. It's a beer short sighted strategy and only barely viable in a place like NYC. Anywhere else and you'd just slay your rep and be tits up in a month.

You can shear a sheep many times but only skin it once.

How many disputed charges does it take before a bar gets to experience the joy of having to be cash-only because VISA dropped them?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Shooting Blanks posted:

Craft of the Cocktail is good, you should also look at Gary Regan's Joy of Mixology.

A decent reading list can be found here: http://www.museumoftheamericancocktail.org/giftshop/index.html

The Art of the Bar is also worth picking up, IMHO.

I've got American Bar on my shelf and it's got a ton of good recipes in the front half of the book with a summary of the history and characteristics of different spirits in the second half. Several of the recipes do seem to vary from what is usual for that drink in minor ways. This may be an artifact of the translation, I should get a copy in the original German.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

PT6A posted:

If I order a pint, I expect to receive a proper pint, or be told that pints are not served at that bar, in which case I'll have a "glass of draft", which ironically is much larger than would receive when order a glass in a place that serves proper pints.

The right way to deal with that sort of stupidity is to politely make your feelings known, tip the bartender appropriately (as they have no say) and then find a bar that serves a proper, 20 oz. pint like God intended. If the bartenders knows English, he should inform you when a pint is not going to be served (of course, I'm in Canada, where I expect bars to serve an Imperial pint) mind you, it doesn't bother me when I'm in other countries that speak different languages and I get something like a half-litre when I order a pint in English.

Would it kill us to finally go metric? It's not like it would be the first time I've been drinking out of a beaker.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
All of your regulars that call themselves hardcore need to stop. That is, unless they physically can't leave the building for eight months. The scene in Antarctica is a bit different.
In a similar vein, here's a recipe for South-pole sangria.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Coco13 posted:

blowingupcasinos posted:

Google search: how to develop a late night bar crowd.

We just opened a farm to table restaurant to rave reviews. The food is phenomenal, and the bar is stocked with whatever we want. The chef/owner really wants to turn us into a late night joint as well. I think we're on the way to making a late night bar crowd happen, but I'd like to hear your guys' experiences with this thing.

I'm also in Madison, and if you're working at the place I think you are, the big problem is location. Nobody walking around the square goes down that street, and there's no signage that announces 'Hey, cool spot you should check out and grab a drink.' I live a few blocks away, and could not have guessed you had a late-night menu. You'll need to figure out what separates your bar from people's usual hangout. You probably want to sell the hell out of specialty cocktails, or food & cocktail pairings. There's not a huge amount of competition around there for a quiet spot to grab a really great drink - Graze is the only one that comes to mind. Maybe Forequarter if you want a detour. Everywhere else is either a beer bar (Great Dane, Old Fashioned, Coopers Tavern), dance / music place (Merchant, Natt Spil, Ivory Room) or college bar (Argus, Tipsy Cow, Rigby).

Additional suggestion along those lines: become the Maduro for the non-smoker.
Comedy option: offer a goon discount.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

blowingupcasinos posted:


God I love Maduro. What do you mean by Maduro for the non-smoker, though?

Btw, it's pretty rad to see goons from Madison checking out this thread.

I mean that Maduro has a great range of spirits, bartenders who won't blink when asked for a calvados sour, and a more grown-up vibe than (for example) Natt Spil. If they bring in a DJ, they'll be playing downtempo that's good to chillax to and energizes the place to a higher level than, say, Graze, but isn't full-club like Merchant. I really love Maduro, but I don't smoke and don't like coming home smelling like an ashtray.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Any ideas for things to do with Suktinis besides a shotglass and a grimace? I had bought it because of the interesting bottle shape and a desire to support my local Lithuanian liquor store. On getting it home, I've discovered that it's got a taste like some blend of gin, Drambuie, and bitters.

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Masonity posted:

Yeah. Can't beat the good old "Not so much ice, I don't want my drink watered down!"

Sometimes I miss the industry. Then I remember the "not so much ice"ers.

I have sometimes asked for less ice and I feel no shame in wanting room for more mixer. When I order a gin & tonic, I hope to receive a gin & tonic, not gin on ice with a couple drops of tonic.


Old Man Pants posted:

To card talk: for a tab over $300 we require a fingerprint and copy of ID, for tabs of $2K we require a video statement.

I was about to scoff and then remembered where you work(ed?). Have you ever had to play a video statement to the CC company? What about having one subpoenaed to prove that someone was at a place during a time?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Gropes posted:

I'm trying to come up with a new cocktail for our summer menu. What are some rum cocktails you guys enjoy during the hotter season? As of now I'm thinking of using Zaya rum and making a mango cordial since they're in season here but want some inspiration to fill the blanks.

How about bumbo?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Paging forums poster James Woods, I hope that Dave Lawrence isn't just a pen name:

http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2014/07/15/beloved-bartender-killed-in-motorcycle-crash/

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

Vegetable Melange posted:

It's almost as if their business model reflects different costs of doing businesswhat their market will bear!

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Hey, if the hipsters insist on loving themselves, who am I to not profit from it?

Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.

MAKE NO BABBYS posted:

Take good leaves, spank them in the palm of hand, drop into glass, build drink, garnish with tip of the sprig and a lime wheel. Tearing or breaking the leaves releases chlorophyll. Chlorophyll in drinks is bad.

Chlorophyll has no effect aside from a green color. It's the various polyphenols and their oxidation products (similar to the ones that make cut apples go brown) that you should be griping about.

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Frozen Horse
Aug 6, 2007
Just a humble wandering street philosopher.
Well, when you serve a double scotch on the rocks to my quite intoxicated rear end without telling me it's five minutes to closing, don't be surprised if I'm halfway home before I realize that I left with your glass. Made for a much nicer walk, though.

On the other hand, it's basically expected that your firstborn is to be used as collateral for a copper mug in this town.

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