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Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Most registered Republicans that still pull the lever for the Rs these days that I know are really not happy with the party. Yeah I know a few people that went Tea Party crazy but most conservatives I know are going "seriously, what the gently caress?" but still vote R because abortion. That or D is too far to the left for their tastes. Yeah I know you can't exactly say that voting R is a good action but most Republicans I know are decent folks.

...most. Some turned into hateful fucks.

Decent folks who continue voting for destructive children, yes.

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Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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mr. mephistopheles posted:

Being good on an individual level means jackshit when you willfully propagate a system that actively harms millions of people.

To be fair, merely existing in the first world means that you're propagating a system that actively harms millions of people no matter how you vote.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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InequalityGodzilla posted:

^^^^
I should have refreshed the page. I totally want to see Metal Wolf with a giant Obama O on it!

I hadn't even considered this and yeah, I think that's easily the best possible option.

"A nuclear strike just hit the enemy!"
"Thanks, Obama!"

I've just discovered the joy that is playing Dark Souls with the "THANKS OBAMA" mod.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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QwertyAsher posted:

Clinic security measures and doctor/patient confidentiality are both lies of the liberal media

While I have no doubt that Chuck is full of absolute dogshit, I observed an abortion procedure while working for Planned Parenthood's Public Affairs wing. I mean, it's a pretty simple medical procedure for most women if you're not wrapped up in lovely politics, so it really was as simple as, 'hey, DrNutt is here and would like to observe as part of learning about the clinical side of our org, is that cool?' and, 'yeah, sure.' I really can't imagine Chuck Johnson at any point in his life being anything less than completely reprehensible and the idea of him being in that kind of situation is therefore unbelievable.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Intel&Sebastian posted:

I honestly can't arse myself into being actually mad about that "problem". RWM across the spectrum is a joke, and not just to lefties. Playing pretend feels good but it also gets you moments like "unskewing" the polls and a presidential candidate who feels free to say that almost half the country are hopeless moochers. None of their anchors will ever go down for lying, but they also have Karl Rove on live TV throwing a poo poo fit because he had to leave candyland for a second. They lose in the end.

Edit: At least they hurt their own cause in the end.

I'm very interested in what they do when the age of the angry white oldster is over.

People actually think that the angry white oldster will end? There are young white people who are scarily ignorant and have the same opinions, slightly modified to appear less racist. Do you use Facebook?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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There were too many errors to determine a result in my case. :saddowns:

Professor Beetus
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FMguru posted:

Yeah. She's only 98% dogshit instead of the 100% dogshit that most Fox personalities register.

Wasn't she also the one who boggled at Karl Rove when he said that Ohio was still a tossup and then walked down to the stats department to get the nerds there to assure her that no, Ohio is solid for Obama, this election is over, wrap it up?

The last two elections have been surreal to watch on Fox because they were the most obvious times during which the seams on Fox's alternate conservative reality really showed, even to their loyal viewers.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Radish posted:

Exactly. Any banning of abortion law will have a set of "emergency" exceptions in order to allow rich and upper middle class people to still have access. However I do believe that some of the real true believers in congress are deluded enough to think that only poor scum ever gets them and this will be a conflict with the serious Republicans that understand that sometimes they are beneficial.

I used to lobby my state legislators on behalf of PP and most of the Republicans I talked to understand completely but they can't support PP because of their insane constituents and the GOP money machine. Just another toxic side effect of the two-party death grip and team politics I guess.

Some were just straight up fuckheads though.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Fertility clinics create life, though. They help people who want to have babies but otherwise can't have babies.

At least maybe that's the argument. Fertility clinics create babies, abortion clinics end them.

There are so many unwanted children out there who will never have a loving home so I could give a nary a gently caress about a small portion of people who can't bring yet more babies into the world.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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ErichZahn posted:

Fertility treatments are cheaper than adopting.

Cost isn't what drives people to IVF. People are selfish, and everyone has a million reasons why it's different in their case.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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FetusSlapper posted:

How did the survive before? ...Or did they just not survive?

oh
-In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, "opium seemed to reduce the despair of dying [diabetic] patients" (Yuwiler 16)

- With no effective treatment aside from a semi-starvation diet, a diabetic's outlook appeared grim. Before 1922, diabetic children rarely lived a year after diagnosis, five percent of adults died within two years, and less than 20 percent lived more than ten (Berger 57). Untreated diabetics faced blindness, loss of limbs, kidney failure, stroke, heart attack and death (Yuwiler 12).
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/histday/insulin/diabetes-before-insulin.html

Man I am so hosed when society collapses. :smith:

Professor Beetus
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GoutPatrol posted:

I bet you will be much better at harvesting insulin from the dead choking our streets than all those people stuck on Rascals so...it kind of evens out? :unsmith:

But otoh, I am type 1 so pretty much dead without it, no pills or dietary options for survival.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Zeroisanumber posted:

They're close to curing that, so you have that to look forward to.

Look don't bring me false hope here, is this for real? Close enough it could happen before we get Thunderdome in the US?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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HootTheOwl posted:

I have trouble relating my job to my parents too.

What's the functional difference between the wing nuts and "sane" Republicans in 2015, purely from a functional policy standpoint?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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fade5 posted:

"Sane" Republicans are the ones who are willing to vote for bipartisan bills and/or vote for basic functional government stuff like a no-strings debt limit increase.

Last I checked those things didn't really exist anymore. What's a bi-partisan bill in a world where healthy school lunches for children is a political hill to die on?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Mel Mudkiper posted:

There is this dude in my town who spends all morning sitting in Starbucks reading Roger Stone books while open carrying a pistol.

I want to see if he has this cup

Good lord the I <3 Guns and Coffee people should all be loving sterilized.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Man if you're some kind of retard that flips between AMC TLC and the Discovery Channel, completely unaware of the existence of pay cable, DVR, Netflix, or Amazon, I could see how you would think TV has gone downhill. Otoh if you don't have massive amounts of brain damage there are lots of good things to watch.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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beatlegs posted:

True, but old people have perspective. If your formative years are spent in a poisonous culture it's understandable for you to think there's not that much wrong. Plus, there's some good shows on streaming services so chill gramps!

I guess my point is, even though things aren't as bad as they could be, and things are getting better in some ways, we are currently regressing culturally and politically. That wasn't always the case

*citation needed*

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

Thankfully a major thing that's been happening is that it's become apparent what the GOP actually stands for a lot of people just plain can't stomach it. Same for libertarianism, really; it's gotten so awful that people who are in fact genuinely conservative are going "wait what the gently caress is this?" What the right has been openly advocating lately just doesn't sit well with a lot of people who have been voting conservative heavily for decades.

Yeah I know a lot of conservatives who say things like this but are still more than happy to keep pushing R come election time.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Phone posted:

I maintain that if you're complaining about taxes, you aren't nearly as rich as you think you are.

I don't know a single person who complains about taxes that does not have,1) an oversized and overpriced house 2) multiple car payments, 3) three or more kids ( who all have smart phones and game consoles). And then they have the gall to complain about people that burden the system by trying to live outside of their means and collecting welfare.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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You know, honestly, when it comes to the economy, I don't actually think the Republicans are wrong, exactly. A lot of the jobs gained in the 'recovery' have been lovely service sector jobs that pay like poo poo and provide few and/or lovely benefits. A lot of people have had to face underemployment to gain any employment at all. *raises hand*

But of course their solution is to strip away even more workers' rights and deregulate harder, because we just haven't backslid hard enough over the last 30+ years to allow our benevolent job creators to finally give us* back our awesome jobs, 401ks, great private health insurance, etc.






*white people

Professor Beetus
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Phone posted:

The Republicans think that giving nonstop hand breezys to """job creators""", cutting taxes, and believing dumb garbage like voodoo economics and the Laffer Curve are Good Ideas. These motherfuckers have been wanting to dip into SS for the past 3 decades.

The shift from looking at the U5 rate vs U2 only came up after Obama was elected President; once again, it's a bunch of assholes being straight up charlatans.

Yeah, just like I pointed out in my post. But it's still bullshit to tout the numbers under Obama and claim victory. The foundation of this economic recovery isn't built on anything solid and until we get a socialist package a la the New Deal combined with corporate tax reform, we're going to be teetering on the edge of another big crash. And given the political climate of this country, I think it's more likely that the Republicans steer us into the rocks out of spite than admit that the Gilded Age 2: Electric Boogaloo was bad economic policy.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Lol who the gently caress is that goober and why is he hanging out with celebrities?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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ToxicSlurpee posted:

The funniest thing about the :siren: AMERICAN CRAFTSMANSHIP BUY AMERICAN EVERYTHING :siren: is that America doesn't make much stuff these days, not directly anyway, and a lot of what American companies make is just downright inferior to foreign companies. American trucks are OK but American cars actually suck. Our guns are mediocre at best.

That and thanks to the world shrinking due to technology it's drat near impossible to buy something that didn't involve some other country's labor at some point. It's a global economy now and nothing short of a major catastrophe is going to change that.

People will bitch about wanting American made stuff up until they see the price tags. Then they'll bitch about how much it costs.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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I feel like people that scoff at Idiocracy as satire probably don't interact with the general public on a regular basis.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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twistedmentat posted:

Working retail, the more wealthy and educated someone is, the bigger idiot and rear end in a top hat they tend to be.

It's truly bizarre. I find myself constantly feeling that bigger salaries only correlate with a person's skill at bullshitting and being an insufferable oval office. We absolutely do not live in anything remotely resembling a just world.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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I can't stand Hillary Clinton personally and I think it's amazingly stupid that the Dem establishment keeps pushing her on us when there are few things that rile up the frothing conservative base like the Clintons. That being said, I'm not a loving moron so I will still gladly hold my nose and vote Hillary rather than risk a Trump presidency.

Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Feb 29, 2016

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Jurgan posted:

See: "47%." Granted, Mitt said income taxes, but he also said that meant people who didn't pay income taxes would never take responsibility for their own lives.

That cracks me up to this day. Yeah Mitt, it's pretty reprehensible that we pay 47% of Americans so shittily that they get all their income taxes back. Oh, that's not what you meant?

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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moths posted:

I'm re-watching Voyager

This is the most hosed up thing I've read in this whole thread.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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I'm not sure an image of a person has made me so angry as that one. I hope she dies penniless and alone, shuffled off to a decrepit nursing home where she will slide into dementia while no one around her gives a single solitary gently caress.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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KiteAuraan posted:

What about those of us who were "true gamers" once but then began to feel most games were rubbish and now basically play mobile games and JRPGs? Are we like the so-called race traitors to their neo-Nazis?

:stare:

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Making the RCXD a deathstreak reward instead of a killstreak was a really poor balance decision, IMO.

Professor Beetus
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Bast Relief posted:

I watched a documentary once about self loathing, probably gay, politicians and the men who loved (banged) them. It was really interesting on one hand. A lot of these guys had especially harsh voting records on gay issues compared to other conservatives. On the other hand, it felt a little dirty that some of these lovers were outing the politicians. But back to the other hand again, these guys were pretty terrible. But then again...

Anyway, poking at someone's way of talking to out them is middle school level stupid.

Oh gently caress that. Any dirtbag that votes against the rights of LGBT issues deserves to be dragged out of the closet kicking and screaming. Scummy pieces of poo poo, don't feel sorry for them.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Keeshhound posted:

You're literally endorsing the use of intimidation tactics against your political oponents.

A bloo bloo bloo disgusting hypocrites are getting outed as being disgusting hypocrites. Anything to hasten the demise of lovely family values moralizing politics is fine by me.

Professor Beetus
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Chantilly Say posted:

I mean, if calling people swishes worked to achieve anything then sure, that would be one thing, but I don't think it does, and I just don't get where "oh he talks like he's super gay" comes from as... anything, really.

You guys are confusing two different arguments here. I sure as poo poo am not going to call someone gay based on how they talk because that's stupid and childish. However, if you are a loving hypocrite who champions discriminatory legislation and then go home and get hosed in the rear end on the reg, then you deserve to have your scummy hypocrisy exposed. No one should get called out for talking with their hands and lisping though, that's lovely stereotyping.

Professor Beetus
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Keeshhound posted:

Ignoring the ethical issues for a moment, all that's going to do is tell gay people you think it's ok for them to be outed without their consent if they do the wrong thing.

And you'll also just wind up with a bunch of straight homophobic legislators, anyway. You're not actually changing anything by outing them, you're just trying to justify getting to feel vindictive over actually acomplishing anything constructive.

You make "the wrong thing" sound so innocuous but we are talking about legislation that treats people as sub human. In this case no, the truth is not in the middle and there is no compromise to be made, only bigots to be shouted down indefinitely until their gross politics are no longer taken seriously in public discourse.

Professor Beetus
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Keeshhound posted:

I'm not saying I wouldn't feel a heaping load of schadenfreude either. It's just not something that should be celebrated, and especially not when it has the very real side effect of signaling to gays "your identity is only valid as long as you hold the ~right views~"

Yeah, once again, you cutesy phrase ~right views~ to gloss over the fact that one side literally views gays as sub human filth and continues to fight for the right to discriminate against them. There is no nuance to this issue and while I can feel sorry for self hating closeted gay bigots, they are in fact still bigots and not worth any more mind than any other bigoted legislator.

Professor Beetus
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Mel Mudkiper posted:

^gently caress^


For men likes Ailes its not about money but about power

It's not like it makes it sting any less for those of us down here begging for scraps.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

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Keeshhound posted:

It's literally a goddamned morality play brought to life; the first woman president, or a demagogue who campaigned on naked racism and fascism. An honest to God showdown with the soul of the country at stake.

Glad you guys are all enthused about it. It's just depressing to me that Trump even made it this far and no matter how much he gets stomped in November we have to live with the fact that he is appealing to a significant chunk of gross lizard people that aren't going anywhere. These are our neighbors and family members.

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Professor Beetus
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WampaLord posted:

They owned a house, they couldn't have been that poor.

I didn't really watch the show, were things like bills a reoccurring problem for them or was money not really talked about outside of "One of the kids wants a new toy but we can't afford it" type plots?

Like yeah from the point of view from Hellscape 2016 in which normal people without tech degrees live with their parents into their 30s and have no hope of buying a house before the US economy finally heaves it's last disgusting breaths they probably seem like they've got it pretty good but at the time the show was on they were firmly lower middle class/poor. Owning a house was the default state of being for pretty much any white person for quite some time.

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