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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Coohoolin posted:

To be fair Trump built his golf course and that was pretty much it, any other demands he had about things like windfarms and further expansion and whatnot fell on deaf ears, to the point where he threw a hissy fit and declared he'd never do business in Scotland again and was loving off to Ireland. People were forcibly evicted to build the course, and that's horrendous, but Trump doesn't really have a say in Scottish politics.

And now he's trying to buy some golf course in Ayrshire. Because with Donald Trump, his word is his bond.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I'm more surprised that the Express is apparently still talking in Fahrenheit. Though I suppose I shouldn't be, what with their readers tending to be of a slightly older vintage.

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Dolash posted:

I don't live in Britain so maybe I'm missing something, but there seems to be a strange fascination with UKIP among cartoonists of all stripes. Honestly, looking at their electoral gains they don't sound all that impressive, I mean maybe they can replace the Liberal Democrats as the party that comes in third but the way they're being portrayed in these cartoons it's like Nigel Farage is about to throw the Beerhall Putsch or something.

Even cartoonists who would normally spend their time making GBS threads on the Conservatives and mocking Cameron seem to portray Nigel as a looming threat, which is weird when he's just a clown who could never be Prime Minister or probably even leader of the opposition. It's kind of the way the Americans reacted to the Tea Party and Sarah Palin, only with even less chance at success.

Part of it is he's just really cartoonish anyway, which makes him easy fodder for hack cartoonists. Draw a face, add fag & pint, you have yourself a Nigel Farage.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Angepain posted:

If this didn't say it was in yesterday's Telegraph I would have thought this was directly mocking the front page of today's Telegraph.

edit: hang on, what even is that flag on the left? I don't recognise it.
It's the flag of the Orange Order. I'm pretty sure it's an Ian Paisley related cartoon.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Why is Prince Philip wearing his wife's crown & robe?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Isn't the whole thing with Santa's sleigh that it flies through the air? Why'd he need a boat? Are we expecting sea levels to rise by some 30,000 feet?

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Jun 13, 2012

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kapparomeo posted:

Basically, Salmond is communicating that political grandstanding is his highest priority, not bettering the people - it calls the rest of his judgement into question, suggesting that his voters are not humans more than they are props to reflect his own magnificence.

Ah, you've noticed that Alex Salmond is a politician. Jolly good.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Yeah, the main politoons thread is just too depressingly full of shitheads being racist. They make MAC and Thomas seem quaint and loveable in comparison. And I don't want them to seem quaint and loveable.

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Jun 13, 2012

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tdrules posted:

Paul Thomas has been let go according to the Eye.

But who will now fill his boots as shittiest political cartoonist in the UK? I hope the Morning Star offers him some work.

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Jun 13, 2012

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marktheando posted:

I kind of miss Thomas to be honest. There was something almost endearing about how awful in every possible way his cartoons were.

Oh, it's a relief to find out I'm not alone in guiltily missing Thomas and his really low-effort, bad-at-drawing-humans cartoons.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Coohoolin posted:

"Haggis-muncher"? gently caress right off.
You're not even Scottish so please don't act mock-offended on our behalf. We're big boys and girls who can cope with lovely political cartoon gags. At least there's no kilts.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Mac's shittiness makes me miss Paul Thomas.

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frankenfreak posted:

It looks like Bell is going to keep the condom around, too.

He's been doing the condom since before he was PM

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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So glad that Riddell put "Tiny Shapps" on that one because I'd never have worked out it was a small Grant Shapps based on a combination of the size he'd drawn him and the quote and about editing Wikipedia.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Niric posted:

That comment was a joke about coohoolin's limited range of media consumption, not the SNP in Westminster.
What's really horrid about the SNP isn't the party, who are by and large decent, it's the way so many their supporters are fanatical devotees who treat a political party like an unquestionable tribal allegiance.

This is true, but it's worth not exaggerating their number or their importance.

Coohoolin posted:

I don't really understand the terrified and chained SNPoodle- is the media coverage of the SNP's MPs so different in England? Up here all we're hearing about is them clapping in the Commons after being told not to, posing for a photo in the place where the PM stands, and Mhairi Black being caught with a chip supper.
OK, this annoys me too much. You can't have a chip supper. If you go to a chippy and ask for a chip supper you're asking for chips with a side of chips

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:22 on May 19, 2015

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Extreme0 posted:

A chip supper refers to a large bag of chips.

Where? Is this an east coast thing? Like having "salt 'n' sauce" on your chips?

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Jun 13, 2012

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Niric posted:

You're right about the chip thing. No idea what Extreme0 is on about- I've never seen a chippy (East or West) offering a "chip supper," and never heard anyone ask for one.

As for the number of fanatic tribalists, while their importance is probably minimal, their number is shockingly high among my friends, Facebook acquaintances and work colleagues (and this is something I've heard lots of people say). Often smart and well-informed people who yet repeatedly and uncritically valorise the SNP, extolling them as "the true party of [whatever I like]" while relentlessly and aggressively framing everything as "us v them," always failing to acknowledge the glaring policy and intellectual similarities between the SNP and unionist parties, especially Labour (because Labour are bad and evil in all things, so cannot be like the SNP. Because that's how politics works, apparently).
Oh, they exist and they definitely aren't just Zoomers of Twitter & Wings comment sections, my mother is one of them. And yeah, it's really annoying (Tommy Sheridan's "we should all vote SNP in 2015 so they can get the best deal for Scotland" campaign in particular got my goat up, as a pro indy socialist) because the Yes campaign was about more than the SNP. And apparently now it's not. But I do think they just get the attention because they are the ones screaming the loudest right now and at some point they'll just quieten down when they realise that the parliamentary SNP group isn't that militant or much more left wing than Labour, even if they did a much better job of talking up being left of centre as something to be proud of as opposed of being ashamed of it. Basically, apathy consumes all but the most cynical.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Extreme0 posted:

West coast. Chippies around the likes of kilmarnock or near it refer too chip supper.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge of darkest Ayrshire then. I'd certainly never heard the phrase in the central belt or back up in the Highlands though. I mean...god. A chip supper? Ayrshire is full of monsters.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:

Where does the name come from though?

It's Scottish slang, pretty sure it's west coast in origin and is generally a term for someone with a screw loose

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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gently caress you Bob you disingenuous piece of poo poo.

Heavy_D's edit is perfect. Someone remember that for when the Gay Abortions comes around

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baka kaba posted:

I think I could be a professional cartoonist

You're too funny, you failed the job interview.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Mac should post in Europol, he's that much of a shithead

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Moodie is terrible, & yes, The National still use him

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Reading that much Bob & Mac in one sitting is not a good idea.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Impressed that Riddell managed to restrain himself and not stick a great big label on the cricket bat saying "CRICKET"

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Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:

Fixed.


I couldn't find a rhyming label for Trump :angel:

You are a good and noble man Guavanaut, thank you for that.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Crashbee posted:

I don't understand why the Guardian is attacking Blair for 'meddling' when they're the ones who published his anti-Corbyn piece in the first place.

No idea about Jennings, but The Graun's other cartoonists Bell & Rowson are both to the left of The Guardian's editorial line. Rowson also does work for the Morning Star

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I quite like Andy Burnham as Noddy in that latest Rowson, though I've no idea what Yvette Cooper is meant to be

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Cliff Racer posted:

So what is that cartoon actually about? People taking pictures of cops? Nessy exists?

People over a certain age really like the idea of "the bobby on the beat". That is to say a police constable who just walks around the area he works in. On the plus-side (in theory) they should get to know the people a bit more, and having a visible police presence in the neighbourhood is supposed to keep petty crime down. Of course it ignores that as a matter of policy coppers tend to operate in pairs these days for obvious reasons, and that they also just have cars in far greater numbers than in the 50s & 60s or whenever the supposed Golden Age of the Bobby On The Beat was meant to be.

It's one of these dumb distractions that every incoming government says they'll fix but end up not doing so when someone points out that a bloke wandering the streets might not be the most efficient use of manpower.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Neurolimal posted:

Admittedly i'm American, but it's pretty interesting how meh the idea of police on-foot interacting with the community is to britgoons

We American goons would loving drool at the idea that anyone in power would propose this, as opposed to the current setup where cops roll around in sunglasses and tactilol gear and wait to shoot people.

An officer who is a part of the community is less likely to taze/assault/shoot the community in the face at the slightest inconvenience

It's not so much that we're against it, if there were infinite resources it would be quite nice, but generally there are just better way to use the limited resources that police have than the bobby on the beat. Community policing does still happen to a limited extent, but we also just have far fewer armed police so it's not such a big concern that they'll barge in & shoot us (does still happen though, remember in 1999 a Glaswegian in London getting shot on his way home from the pub. He had been carrying a table leg in a bag, someone had phoned up and said they had seen "an Irishman with a gun", armed response team went out, came up behind him and told him to stop. He did what I suspect most people would do and turn around to see who was challenging him, and got shot for it. And obviously there was Jean Charles de Menezes getting shot on the tube, and the guy they shot that sparked the 2012 riots but generally when it does happen it happens in London, because the Met are the most well armed force we have).

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Jun 13, 2012

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baka kaba posted:

What labels? Chilcott Report is just the title of the report on the front page, and the skeleton is just wearing his merch from Illegal War's summer festival tour

The running joke with Chris Riddell is that he abuses labels constantly. Like the one from a week ago with Trump, a fat cat & a cricketer, under Trump's wig it says Bigotry, on his comb it says GOP, the cat's cigar says RBS, he's using a collection of paper labelled tax payer's money as a lighter. and you're left wondering if there is possibly any other details he could possibly spell out. It's bad political cartooning to cover every part of the image in labels, if the message is so obscure that it needs that many labels then it's failed in its purpose.



In the case of his latest, the point is good, but writing illegal war on the back of the grim reaper is completely unnecessary: anyone old enough to be buying The Observer is well aware what death represents when drawn next to Tony Blair.

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Jun 13, 2012

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goatface posted:

Close, Adams, but you knew that you just had to put their names on the sides because otherwise nobody would know who they were meant to be.

It took me a good minute of staring at it to even read the word Abbott there. He's label isn't even particularly clear. What a rubbish cartoon.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Why has he given Corbyn Tony Blair's wonky eye?

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Cliff Racer posted:

Brown shouldn't be on there, he won an election.

He was PM but he only took over after Tony won 2005, going on to lose 2010.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Party Boat posted:

Rowson's just come back from his holidays so we might see something from him this week or after the weekend. Here's a 2009 cartoon of his that he tweeted out in the interim:



(After William Holman Hunt)

Based on context I'm assuming that this is about the expenses scandal and Brown is throttling then-Speaker Michael Martin, who to be fair pretty comprehensively hosed up by abusing expenses, failing to declare interests and then trying to use Parliamentary privilege to block the release of any incriminating information. Cameron is high on the hog (complete with taxpayer-funded duck house) along with Ruth Davidson, who won the by-election in Martin's former constituency.

Huh, no she didn't? She got 5% of the vote. Willie Bain won with more than 50%. Last time a Tory won in that part of Glasgow was 1931. So long ago that the Labour candidate was Keir Hardie's brother.

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It definitely could be. But I'd surprised if it was just because nobody knew who she was in 2009: she didn't get elected to Holyrood until 2011 (& then 4 months later became Scottish leader which is some turn around)

Can't work out who else it'd be though.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jesus, they are some old looking Junior Doctors. Mac is loving dreadful.

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Coohoolin posted:

Surely there's a way to take Scottish Labour votes or opinions into account a major issue like Trident without completely devolving defence (something that would never happen) without just going "lol you're a pointless party branch in North Britain".
How? There is 1 Scottish MP & Westminster will not devolve defence ever so how the hell do you suggest that?

And why take it that far? Why not further? Devolve it to each constituency: Let Cowdenbeath constituency have a say in it because that's where poo poo will probably get made, or Dumbarton constituency because Faslane is such a boon to the area as far as jobs goes. Or is the Cowdenbeath SNP just a branch of the national party in Edinburgh?

What I'm saying is that the "only a branch party" line is one of the most tedious & stupid in the SNP playbook

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Jun 13, 2012

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Of course the nominated Mac is awful, because Mac. Though I'm also not sure about the Bell they've nominated.

Ended up going for the Riddell, rewarding him for one the cartoons he labelled the least this year. So well done to him for that.

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Cloud Potato posted:

Jeremy Corbyn 'could face frontbench resignations if he sacks Hilary Benn in reshuffle
I don't know why it took until seeing this written that suddenly it all makes sense to me, the whole Corbyn planning a reshuffle even though Corbyn has been completely out of contact over the holidays rumours. What a tremendous way of building up Hilary Benn further, he has a lot of the shadow cabinet behind him!

I still struggle to believe this utter nonsense was getting so much play but it all makes much more sense. The Labour right really are much better at playing the press game than the Labour left, the Labour left are basically a big hammer, very little subtly involved. Where as this, assuming the "leaks" have come from the sort of people I'd expect, is dirty & also very clever.

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