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Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.


I'm not seeing the funny side.

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Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Crameltonian posted:

I think the joke is 'gently caress Alex Salmond' so it's probably hilarious if you agree with that opinion. The Guardian don't seem to be massive fans, to say the least.

I mean, why did they make the font for the word "rule" so small? You can't even see it behind Salmond's head.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I know what the "joke" is. I highly doubt Bell's come up with a rorschach test for Scottish independence. The Guardian have been reliably terrible about independence coverage, except that latest piece where Kevin McKenna, who'd been smearing mud all over the place with terribly misinforming pieces, converted to independence.

EDIT: Re Daily Heil. Like any NY cop would use the word "reciprocal".

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

GTO posted:

The thing that surprises me about the Scottish referendum is that the rest of the UK don't get any say in the matter. Maybe if they end up voting 'stay' then the rest of us should get a vote to see if they're allowed to. Maybe on renegotiated terms, like the (possibly) upcoming Euro referendum...

Are you loving serious.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Murderion posted:

the fat bastard could do with a better lampooning.
Now this is something I find genuinely confusing. Why? What's so bad about Salmond? What is it about him that gets people's sashes in a twist?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Uhm. You do know it was Michael Moore that got Trump into Scotland in the first place.

I don't understand this "populist" stuff. Is it populism to propose policies that benefit the populace? Surely not, the negative connotions to populism (i.e. demagoguery) are in appealing to the populace on issues that are harmful to them (racism, protectionism, exclusionism, etc).

Sure, I'll grant you that the low corporate tax stance isn't agreeable. But I still have a hard time understanding where this intense dislike comes from. For context, I grew up in Switzerland and came to Scotland three years ago. My first impressions of Alex Salmond were those of an eloquent and informed speaker, a talented debater, a straightforward propagandist (this is a good thing- avoiding doublespeak and waffling is very rare among politicians), and a genuinely committed and optimistic guy. So he needs to rub shoulders with some nasty people. With the extent of the anti-independence bias that exists within pretty much every mainstream publication, Murdoch is kind of the only place he can actually go. It's a shame, but don't blame Salmond for that- blame Unionist tabloid media.

I understand the need to criticize politicians, I really do, I just find it weird how Salmond seems to inspire more hatred than Cameron and Clegg at times.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Rigged Death Trap posted:

I know FO&D is gently caress off and Die but what's LCP?

Lingering Crippling Pain?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Puntification posted:

I'm guessing the portrait Bell is imitating is of Pope Innocent by Velazquez and it's about Blair Lying about the Iraq War.

For Blair is Also A Catholic, you see.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Jesus Christ Fluo, a wealth of literature and journalistic efforts from the man with very good socialist analyses all over the place, but he writes one book on religion and because of that he's an un-chill rear end in a top hat?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I'm talking about Hitchens. Dawkins is a smug arse, you won't find any disagreement from me there, and his foundation has been funneling donated money away to pay for, among other things, apartments for his affairs. Ignoring Hitchens' work on, for example, Zionism and human rights abuses, Kurdistan, neoliberalism (remember the "America the Banana Republic" essay?), interpretations of Marx, American use of torture, undying support of women's rights (part of his main critique of Mother Theresa), and calling out Henry Kissinger for being a war criminal, just to focus on the one book on religion he wrote and labeling him a poo poo because of it is absurd. Sure, he's held positions I disagree with, but he held them out of the same principles. He supported the Iraq War primarily out of concern for Kurdish self-determination and human rights. He supported Thatcher's war with Argentina out of concern for Argentine citizens suffering under a brutal dictatorship.

Just stop using him as a poster boy for "smug aggressive atheism", Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are far better candidates for that and don't have a wealth of otherwise valuable leftist rhetoric to tarnish by doing so.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Fair enough, although my point was that his good works far outweighed his bad works, in number at least, despite not receiving as much media attention.

Speak for yourself, I'd love to have a pint with him and talk about Gramsci and the future of human rights in decentralized states. I wonder what he'd think about Scottish independence or the Catalans?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Cloud Potato posted:

Telegraph: (or is it tomorrow's?)



Nuke the Scots! :supaburn:   :unsmigghh:

Pretty sure the line here is how Cameron's fear-mongering over NK proves that we desperately need TRIDENT, thus striking a crippling blow to the independence movement that wants nuclear disarmament because we'd rather spend the money on infrastructure, jobs, and people's wellbeing.

It's an idiotic argument anyway, but it's always nice to see that sweaty-sock jock bigotry alive and well.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

prefect posted:

Scotland has unicorns? :wotwot:

They're our national animal. It's awesome.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I actually chuckled at the Daily Mail one. gently caress.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
For some reason I absolutely LOVE the National Collective cartoons, although they focus on Scottish politics and the independence debate. Hope these are ok to post in this thread.











Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Scottish residents have been warned they may never see Doctor Who again if they vote for independence. From Greg Moodie at National Collective Featuring Ruth Davidson, Dalec Salmond and the cardboard cut-out of Alistair Carmichael:





















I don't know but there's something about these that make me giggle.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
He's holding his left hand to the right side of his face. I do that all the time.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
That's his pinkie. Jesus.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
It always irritates me how whenever the topic is Scotland even the decent leftish cartoonists like the Independent go completely "hah, look at these stupid jocks and sweaty socks, trying to do things" bigoted.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Urgh, every single time they comment on Scotland, even the Independent... Carney's not "burst" anyone's bagpipes, all he's come out and said is "I'll set it up once you two agree on what to do, but you've both got to make concessions to each other and actually talk about what to do instead of playing silly buggers *glares at Osbourne and Darling*."

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
It's more like Hurrr Scotland is a Mickey Mouse country that could never manage on its own.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
The fact that English cartoonists seem to think Gordon Brown is more respected in Scotland than Alex Salmond speaks volumes to their complete and utter loving ignorance on the subject. loving hell.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
gently caress off Steve Bell, if any of your pet politicians from the lib dems or labour gave a speech like that about Europe you'd be praising them to the stars.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Clapham Omnibus posted:

Eh? Here's a recent Bell from just last week about a pretty crappy speech Tony Blair made:


Seems pretty critical to me? He is often critical of Labour and Lib Dems, did you follow his cartoons during the Blair/Brown years?

My point is that Salmond's speech was excellent, very European and constructive and positive in character, expressing a seemingly genuine desire for cooperation and mutual growth- a speech that should be right up Bell's alley politically. Blair's speech was racist and xenophobic and bigoted and deserved criticism. The only reason Bell is giving Salmond a hard time is either because Bell doesn't like the SNP or he doesn't like Scottish people. If he judged the speech on its own merits he wouldn't be taking the piss.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
This one.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
To be fair Trump built his golf course and that was pretty much it, any other demands he had about things like windfarms and further expansion and whatnot fell on deaf ears, to the point where he threw a hissy fit and declared he'd never do business in Scotland again and was loving off to Ireland. People were forcibly evicted to build the course, and that's horrendous, but Trump doesn't really have a say in Scottish politics.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Why does Salmond have two English flags up his arse and why is he driving a blue car? Why blue? Why a car? I don't understand it.

Is it just hurrr Salmond puts stuff up his bum?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
What is that Sunday Telegraph one even trying to imply? Salmond's a mobster? What?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

That's a nice wee article about the last FMQ. I'm going to miss the big man.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Jedit posted:

Don't worry, Wee Eck has no plans to shut up just yet. He's already talked about how he's donating his First Minister's pension to charity - which would be laudable, if hadn't told everyone himself - and will be moving on to heading the Westminster delegation of the SNP in the hopes of becoming Deputy Prime Minister.

jesus christ what is your problem??

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
The faces do give it something, at least.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Given those fishnets I'd say it's more of a Mistress Santa.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
That Times one is so bad it made me laugh out loud when I realised just how stupid of a pun they were going for.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Stottie Kyek posted:

Lenin was kind of stocky, but he wasn't as rotund as that. He looks like a plush toy of himself. Gives me an idea for a sewing project :v:

If you make a plush Lenin I'll buy it from you.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Angepain posted:

He would occasionally make a decent point and then immediately follow it up with something else that made no sense whatsoever. Which is still a better batting average than David Cameron, but I doubt Brand's going to lead any revolutions any time soon.

I remember back during the London riots Brand's was possibly the most insightful and cogent commentary on it.

EDIT: Here's one, I remember there being another one which I'll post if I find it.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/11/london-riots-davidcameron

Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jan 28, 2015

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
They constantly show him along with Ed and Dave as if he's still the party leader and orchestrating the SNP campaigns and gains in Scotland. It's just more of the poor cartooning that invariably pops up whenever Scotland is concerned. Even your lefty Londoners have a hard time hiding the sweaty sock bigotry. It's not like Nicola Sturgeon is hard to caricature as well.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
I think I preferred the Salmond ones. Erk.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Hmmm yes, Times cartoonist, the SNP have never said anything about austerity until Syriza got elected.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Stottie Kyek posted:

A while later, new from The Express, it's the Paul Thomas Commemorative Mis-shapen Lenin plush! The back of his waistcoat is a chintzy quilt fabric, you can sort of see it in that picture.



Including flat cap and red flag accessory set!



Why not use him and all your favourite toys to re-enact the October Revolution? he's not actually pose-able, I just propped him up like this :ssh:



If Coohoolin doesn't want him I'm sure he can find a place on the local CPB stall or my bookshelf, and he was fun to make. Next project may just be a Sheikh of Wales... :getin:

Lenin would never wear burberry!

omgomgomg I want it. He'll look grand under my Kollektiv Kommunisticheskovo banner. He's even got his own devushka. Right here:



How much do you want for him?

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Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Stottie Kyek posted:

Aw, that's a great banner, and it's nice to see he'll have a friend to greet him when he arrives! :3:

I had fun making him and he's mostly made of fabric remnants I needed to use up in my stash (and I'm not sure about the rules outside SAMart) so if you bung a donation of whatever you'd be willing to pay for him to the Communist Party of Britain, or a charity like the Citizens Advice Bureau, Shelter or the Trussell Trust or another Correct charity of your choice, Vlad and I would be very happy. :) I don't have PMs so if you send me the address you want him sent to at stottiekyek@gmail.com I'll put him in the post.

I'm not the biggest fan of the Communist Party of Britain, given their (to me) obnoxious views on Scottish independence. Would the good people at Future Choices be acceptable?

EDIT: Ooh also just because I'm chuffed about it, that banner is allegedly an authentic production of the Soviet Union- a friend of mine's parents went to Georgia on holiday and brought it back for them, and knowing of my love of red paraphernalia promptly gifted it to me.

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