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Arstan
May 30, 2012

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I didn't know r/harmontown existed, but it was cathartic to find other folks who were equally irritated by Levi's... contribution(?) to the last episode.

As Sunday night approaches, I hope he doesn't become another dead weight recurring character like Anatoly.

Arstan fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Aug 25, 2013

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Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Has everyone already seen the much acclaimed video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIXuRt88K9I

I suspect Harmon subjected everyone to that 20 minute exercise in empathetic embarrassment so we'd all know who to look for when Erin receives a package containing Dan's severed bearded head.

Arstan fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 26, 2013

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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The audience chanting down Lisette was pretty magical. She and Levi should start a show discussing gender roles.

Arstan fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Aug 27, 2013

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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His epiphany about how he receives compliments was delightful.

I really didn't get his point about the audience chanting Lisette down, last week. Maybe if they had been trying to silence descent or something, but it seemed pretty clear that they just wanted her to shut up so the D&D game could start (and knew that no length of time would result in her making a point).

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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That's more or less what I meant. She was digging a hole, the audience knew she was digging a hole, and they (understandably) didn't want to watch her dig at the expense of D&D.

It's also a little funny that her week of reflection basically amounted to, "When I worked at a wedding shop, at least one person per couple was really invested in their wedding." Her perfect skin will continue to save her from learning to avoid making sweeping statements based on extremely narrow anecdotes.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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There are no walls. Walls don't exist. It's a beach, and we're in the surf, and we get out of the surf and it's just another beach.

What I'm trying to say is, I propose we stop proposing.


It was a pretty weird episode. I was kinda disappointed no one called Kumail on his statements about evolution solving pedophilia for us. It really sounded like he was on the verge of saying that any sexuality that can't result in a healthy child is invalid, and will be bread out of the species. edit: Just perused the reddit topic, and Kumail posted to walk back "babies can't have babies" plan for breeding out pedophilia.

It was also kind of frustrating how Dan brushed off the input from one of the audience members (Lauren?) about the role of fantasy in human sexuality. He was so caught up on the idea of thought-crime, as if it was about to tear civilization apart, based on some dude having child pornography and brain damage.

They really should've brought Emily on stage sooner. Would've been nice if she could've participated in some actual D&D, too.

edit: Also, praise Jeff for kicking Goldberg off the mic when he did.

Arstan fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Oct 1, 2013

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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He wasn't even saying that. I think he mentioned something about "proposing we stop proposing."

It seemed like it was all about thought-crime and where society sets limits on the views of its inhabitants. Whenever rehab and study of pedophilia came up, he'd jump to all the things that are "worse" and how we aren't solving them.

And even though he kept citing the pedophile with a chopped up brain, it kinda felt like it all went back to Lizette getting shouted down by the audience for asserting her right to make stupid sweeping judgements in the face of informed opposition.

The whole thing felt like a "slippery slope" argument, but as if we were in Uganda and people were really at risk of being jailed/executed for their privately held, never acted upon, desires.

It was all very confused and aimless.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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I've been catching up on some of the older episodes I'd never heard, and I guess the take-away should be that Jeff's attitude during D&D has improved? He's still a bit of a joykilling naysayer, but boy was he unreasonably irritated by Erin's antics in some of these early episodes.

I think it was episode 14 or 15 where Erin calls or texts Dan from the audience to ask if she's going to be included in D&D, and Jeff's incredulity at her behavior spills over in to the next week's episode. There's just such a weird vibe to his apparent "can you believe how this girl is ruining this make-believe game I also just started playing recently?" stance.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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It wasn't just the middle of a show, though. They were starting D&D, and it seemed like Erin was trying to slyly get Dan to bring her up on stage to play-- this all after loving Goldberg had stormed up a couple times without Jeff seething.

Supposedly they were a trio of friends before Dan and Erin got romantic, too. But even now, Jeff's always the first to roll out the negativity when Erin's trying to fashion gadgets out of backpacks and bedrolls, as if her insane schemes are really going to drag the game down.

It just rubs me the wrong way, especially with how deftly Spencer has always handled the group. By now, they should trust him to handle whatever stupid ideas they come up with.


edit: I can't stress enough how much Adam Goldberg irritates me.

Arstan fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Oct 18, 2013

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Erin was playing Jeff's character, and some audience member was playing hers. And Kumail's the one who wound up receiving a custom made rope dagger, thanks to his predilection toward tying ropes to daggers. Jeff is the only one who isn't inclined toward goofin' around. They've also been committing way less time to D&D, lately. Even when they bring Spencer up half way through the show, they still end up on some tangent that leaves them with about 20 minutes to spend on the game itself.

And in that very episode, Erin tried to fashion some ridiculous armor out of a backpack and Jeff's cloak of resistance, then realized she could just wear the cloak, and did. I don't think she plays any more selfishly than the rest of the group, especially considering things like Dan goading a frost giant king in to crushing him to death.

edit: It also didn't help that nobody in the group could seem to picture the environment Spencer was describing. They all kept forgetting that they were standing on the heads of statues, and nobody really seemed to get what was or wasn't possible while climbing the chains. Even then, I think it was a far cry from "nobody doing anything." Dan landed a good attack for once, Erin eventually relented on the head-dagger idea, and Schrab ended it on the most intense moment of Chris de Burgh's career.

Arstan fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Oct 18, 2013

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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So, who here is going to volunteer to berate Dan for not posting in this thread, next week? It's like he doesn't even realize we're locking down Season 7 for him!


That whole intro segment was crazy. I'd read a little about it before listening and wanted to give Lisa the benefit of the doubt (bright lights and all that) but, goddamn. That was some seriously persistent hostility. Some Vulture quote and Dan not posting in an AV Club forum thread justify that?

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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I think Adam Goldberg may have won me over, this week. His subreddit story was pretty relatable-- particularly the part about Levi being an annoying cringefactory. He showed a level of self awareness that I always assumed he didn't have. But, maybe jumping in to the spotlight often enough will force that upon a person.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Irish Joe posted:

I knew from the description that this week's episode would be bad, but I didn't know it would be THAT bad. Don't make the same mistake I did, skip the first hour and a half and just listen to D&D.

Elaborate! I imagine it's horrible in a "Dan shuts out reasonable people while letting clowns like Levi and Adam ramble incoherently," sort of badness. It'll have to be that level of bad to be skippable.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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SoupyTwist posted:

......it's LINEVE!!!!
e: This was an awesome ending.

Sounded like classic Sharpie, to me.

It was awesome to hear Jeff use "sense motive," though. He's come so far!

Arstan fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 22, 2014

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Well, he is the Comptroller. Without him, things get out of comptrol.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Occupation posted:

Joel was maybe the worst guest they've ever had.

I don't know why, but I expected him to be better at D&D. It was interesting to hear Dan talk about their history. I was surprised to, ultimately, be disappointed that Adam Savage couldn't make it.


So, does Maggie exist, or not?

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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What, "Cashewwwwwwwwww," wasn't proof enough for you?

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Everyone's a "no-name" in Harmoncountry, anyway. I assume Dan was so ardent in his defense of Lisette because that all went down in Harmontown, and maybe the familiar setting and faces make the audience feel less like strangers. Then, it was Harmontown coming down on Lisette, while Jeremy and Eva were both strangers in a strange place.

Plus, what Dan says about the audience is true. When one of their own steps up to the mic, they're already at a huge disadvantage for assuming they deserve it.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Drunkboxer posted:

Still no Spencer :(. Also Jeff is a bit of a grump.

Yeah, I hope Spencer isn't totally burnt out. He brings so much to the show, even when he says little.

Jeff's Gravity diatribe was a bit much. It's probably just because I enjoyed the movie quite a lot, but I found his misremembered critiques weak, for the most part. He didn't even rail against the actual dumbest part, either! Using a fire extinguisher to fly through space!?


Also, gently caress that Sam guy. "12 Years a Slave was pornographic. Django should've won." :jerkbag:

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Golden Bee posted:

He was drunk. Spencer isn't a big Bitcoin believer.

I dunno. I follow him on Twitter, and he sure does retweet a lot of stuff from the Anonymous account. I'd believe that Spencer believes in bitcoin, even if it's just a way to stick it to The Man.

I really want to get drunk and stoned with him, though.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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I also enjoyed Erin DMing, particularly the fake dice rolls.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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I'm not sure which I like more: "whore clerk," or "matron."

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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That partybus sounded nightmarish. I just kept imagining it crashing, and all the surely-seatbeltless passengers flying in to the stripper pole, then falling through the plywood floor.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Sithsaber posted:

I just got to the lizette episode (I'm watching in sequential order, bitch) and the audience reaction was uncalled for. People jumping to the assumption that she's expressing heterosexual ignorance (and Harmon jumping to which gay is ontop) wasn't fair if we consider that she began with the male and female archetype.

Think of it this way: two introverted individuals are in a relationship. Naturally a system will develop where one is more extroverted in reaction to the other. Exhibiting more "masculine" and "feminine" roles in comparison to the partner isn't a homophobic sentiment. The underlying problem is that passivity is conceived of as feminine. But there are male and female natures. If there aren't than transexuality (and neural miswiring that necessitates sex change) is bullshit. The heckler seems like someone who's on a lower level of queer theory and had to fall back on "check your privilege" to get her point across.

The "underlying problem," as you put it, is the problem. Her beginning with a male and female archetype is also a problem. All of this nonsense is based on the supposition that a relationship requires a dominant personality and a submissive personality (and then that those traits correspond to genders).

But, really, the problem was her digging her heels in when confronted with opposing perspectives because her opinion is an opinion, and opinions can't be wrong.

Arstan fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jun 5, 2014

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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qbert posted:

If I were an audience member at Harmontown I would never go up on stage for any reason. Harmontown audiences seem quite hostile to people who jump up a lot of the time, even despite Dan and Jeff encouraging participation.

I just remember that one dude who claimed to have recently broken up with his girlfriend, and the audience immediately went "Bullshit! No way a guy like you ever HAD a girlfriend!"

Even the hosts were amazed at that reaction.

This was also a Harmoncountry episode, so it was a fresh set of weirdos instead of the usual Nerdmelt set.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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I'm still now clear on how they wound up wandering the tundra. They burned a hole through Bill Martigans, and there was tundra on the other side?

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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Are Dan's weird pedophilia jags on a lunar cycle, or something?

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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I like Erin's D&D stylings and thought everyone fawning over Dana Carvey's impressions was dull as hell.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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You guys don't understand.

He doesn't really have a Pringles dick. He just keeps his dick inside a Pringles can because it keeps his penis warm and dry.

Arstan
May 30, 2012

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This thread taking all of Dan's drunken rants as sincere gets pretty stupid sometimes.

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Arstan
May 30, 2012

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The Berzerker posted:

Uh, it's safe and dry. You're off the moon buddy

Hey man, I got my lyrics straight from Jim Davis himself.

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