Shokugeki no Soma Manga Discussion: The Final Pairing Is Whine and Cheesecake

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Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Fabricated posted:

Update.

Basically another chapter which needs

*This is a cooking manga

TRAPU CAAAARDO

# ¿ Oct 23, 2014 14:51

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 15:32

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Shrug, Erina probably becomes way more important once Souma joins the 10.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2014 18:16

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Allarion posted:

This is still a manga about cooking.

Can't wait for the panel of Souma wielding some sort of gun next week.

# ¿ Dec 22, 2014 22:59

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Best Trope

# ¿ Jan 6, 2015 22:45

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tonberrytoby posted:

The problem with seeing Souma as an everyman character is that Megumi makes a much better everyman character.

Megumi has a talent though, SHE COOKS WITH THE POWER OF HEAAAAAART.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2015 18:19

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Alright, so, Viz's WSJ is allegedly supposed to come out at the same time as it does in Japan, right?

So why the gently caress does Casanova have the jump on Viz?!

Scanlators that keep up with Raws are generally a half week ahead of the official releases.

The releases we usually get on Wed-Thursday of the popular series(Bleach, OP, Toriko) are early leaks. Generally stuff like AssClass/Souma etc etc get leaked on that friday/saturday. The official release is on Monday.

Souma's scanlators essentially used the New Years break to catch up with the latest chapters and now they are using the leaks.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2015 09:52

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

FutureCop posted:

I definitely think you're spot-on with what the judges were talking about, and I can see this aspect of 'signatures' being important, but I'm still a bit annoyed at their decision. For example, you mention Gordon Ramsey and his beef wellington. When I think about Gordon Ramsey, I don't think about his fancy signature dishes, I think about how he was able to make a delicious meal for Ricky Gervais, the pickiest eater in the entire world. (can see it mentioned here if you're curious) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iInCHq3yvs

Ricky's pickiness with his food is legendary, and the fact that Gordon Ramsey was able to make a dish that not only worked for Ricky, but was absolutely delicious, really showcases what a pro Gordon is. It's that type of creativity and adaptive technique, where you can build a dish for different people with different tastes, that shines to me, not the fact that he's got a great beef wellington or, indeed, a fancy 'aroma'. In this case, I think Soma is identical to Gordon, which is why I was annoyed.

Then again, we did see Soma lose to his father earlier, when he failed to cook the perfect dish for his friends based on their mood, so he still has room to grow, of course.

Exactly: above all else, make delicious food. We're getting some mixed messages here.

But when all of the food is equally delicious, something that has that extra, signature special flair wins.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2015 18:33

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Mraagvpeine posted:

It goes two ways: either she's a protagonist that we're invested in, or she's an antagonist that we love to hate. I feel the author is trying to play her as both, but that's not working.

When has she ever been someone to be invested in either way.

Souma has only interacted with her like three times. poo poo her cousin has had more screen time than her.

She's obviously set up to be a later mid boss, but that won't happen unless he is in the 10 or he has to beat her to get into the 10. After she gets beat/pushed to the brink then she'll get her character development like everyone else in the series.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2015 23:51

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Working as a waitress is probably really useful as a chef as you would learn all sorts of things about what clients think of food, how they react etc etc.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2015 21:33

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

That's actually pretty in character for Kagura, so it probably works.

# ¿ May 1, 2015 15:19

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

pentyne posted:

No, he just took advantage of his 10 years of actual restaurant experience to figure out how to exploit the fact that Kuga's stand was going to have lines around the block as well as rude as poo poo to customers and offer a fun and exciting alternative that drew in crowds. It's less about "cooking" then it is about how to actually run a successful restaurant which seems to be completely ignored in the school as everything is determined by single cooking competitions.

In a straight up cook-off Souma still has some serious disadvantages to overcome, but like the other rising stars of the 1st year he has years of practical business experience which is 100x more valuable in the real world in order to succeed. As great as Erina's tongue is, if she tried to run a restaurant where she had to taste literally everything before it could go out and treated her employees like subhuman scum she'd probably fail within 6 months.

Shinomiya is a good example, he was an elite 10, but hosed up hard at the start trying to set up his business from a culture clash, and even after he succeeded he stagnated hard and couldn't find a way forward until he was challenged by Souma and outed to his peers.

Eh, Erina is probably just as good as everyone else at running a restaurant. The only person and I mean the only person she treated like Inhuman scum during the Stagidare period, was the rear end in a top hat chef complaining about having students. And not using said students knowledge to help him. She completely shut down the rear end in a top hat chef when he was going to prevent Megumi from making a recommendation.

She could have reacted a bit better to being asked to wash dishes, but she's not a drat idiot, she knows what the purpose of this thing is. And in order for her and her talent to be useful she has to be near where actual food is being created. She never had to taste everything all the time, she tasted something once and was able to improve the creation of the food by changing their processes making them more efficient and better tasting.

People seem to really really hate Erina for some reason. When like every single competing character in the series besides like Megumi is just as much of an cocky rear end as she is. She just like hyper overcompensates for Souma because Tsundere.

# ¿ Aug 16, 2015 16:38

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

SyntheticPolygon posted:

Wasn't he giving them insignificant positions from the get-go, before they'd even done anything? Like sure, if you're just out of school it makes sense to start from the bottom but since the whole point of Stagiare week is to make a noticeable improvement to the restaurant or be expelled, I don't think it is completely unwarranted to want to be in a position where she can make change to the restaurant.

And really she didn't send anyone after Souma at all, he challenged Ikumi to save the don club or whatever himself. You could say that she was shown to crush other students and steal their resources if she thought their clubs were useless or whatever (which is kind of incredibly awful of her) but she never targeted Soma. Outside of constantly insulting him and saying he'll totally get expelled everytime that topic is brought up because she's a ridiculously sore loser.

Like geez, Erina is pretty much my least favourite character in the manga but a bunch of people's complaints about her are seemingly just created out of thin air. She is awfully boring, it took her like half the series to have any meaningful interactions with a character, she has a huge goddamn ego and not even in a fun or entertaining way like everyone else, her main character trait is just that she's a tsundere ice queen and she's ridiculously generic. She doesn't need extra faults made up for her to be a bad character.

This pretty much puts it perfectly.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2015 19:42

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Yeah if anything Erina goes up to 9 and Akira as the winner of the election moves into 10.

# ¿ Aug 18, 2015 20:59

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

gwrtheyrn posted:

Wasn't there an extra chapter where they prefaced with something like "Hey let's make tosh draw a bunch of lewd stuff again, it'll make make the readers happy" or something?

Pretty much, yeah.

http://bato.to/read/_/318818/shokugeki-no-soma_ch116.5_by_casanova

Kagura is the best

# ¿ Aug 21, 2015 21:03

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Rindou doesn't actually believe it either she's in it for the fun.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2016 02:58

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Rindou feels like she's gonna be Erina's final boss.

Since her gimmick is eating all sorts of various things for fun. While Erina's past has been eating all sorts of stuff because of her tounge.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2016 20:26

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Center's not incompetent.

They just respect good cooking enough where if they are able to overcome all of the obstacles put in their way and put out a great dish then they deserve to pass.

Also it's real boring if they are just like nope you fail bye. Because like the series is over if that happens. Better story is always forcing respect desipte someone conspiring against you.

Also Souma and Alice need to stay teamed up they are perfect.

# ¿ Jul 8, 2016 20:10

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Honestly I'm more insulted that the examiner thought that with 5 good to great chefs it would take longer than 30 minutes to cook a goddamn piece of Salmon, and make a quick glaze/sauce.

# ¿ Jul 8, 2016 20:15

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Oxxidation posted:

No, a better story is one where this kind of scenario never appears in the first place.

This is a fun comic but it is not, by any measure of the imagination, a good story. It's got every stupid cliche and hackneyed contrivance in the book and plays them all without a smidgen of irony or awareness, that's practically part of the appeal.

It's a loving Shonen Manga, it's not going to have some deep and intricate. All it needs to be is consistent. And this is consistent with how the school operates. They may not like Souma and his antics and they make it hard for him, but if he succeeds they aren't just going to be unsporting and fail him even though he succeeded.

# ¿ Jul 8, 2016 21:34

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

All of the top 4 chef Main character chefs are probably around each other in skill.

Hayama, Souma, Ryou, and Alice.

Step down from them is Aldini, Megumi, Hisato and Mimasaka

Erina is probably a level above Souma and crew. The bottom of the Elite 10 are probably around Erina's skill level. Souma is capable of ~~fighting~~ cooking on their level but is still outmatched unless he has favorable circumstances.

Dexo fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Aug 16, 2016

# ¿ Aug 16, 2016 20:07

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Watch it be something dumb like

Souma's serving first and since he is pushing the Bear flavor to it's ultimate max the judges are going to have Bear aftertaste in their mouths that Hayama didn't account for thus his perfect seasoning and sauce don't fully take hold.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2016 16:22

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Xelkelvos posted:

http://mangastream.com/r/shokugeki_no_souma/196/3897/1
New chapter of young Souma's Dad continues.

So it's seems that the weird cooking thing came in part because of the pressures of being a "genius" and having to live up to those expectations. This also turned him into Dark Saiba aka Asura. Just speculation, but I'm guessing Azami actually wanted to return Saiba to his normal self and to prevent it from happening again, create a single cuisine with only one line of innovation so that such pressures of "innovation" don't happen again to anyone.

It's also given up a likely competition that the manga might go into later after this arc (and probably at least one or two more).

Jouichirou's problems seems to stem from the fact that while people think he's just a genius, he does work hard and do test trials to get better at this poo poo.

It's why he appreciates the Polar star dorm members because even though they get beaten by him all the time the first thing out of their mouth's were about how they were going to improve and beat him next time. He hates people who just give up and stop progressing blaming his genius as the reason they are stopping.

Also Isn't Shinomiya under 35 too.

That competition they are foreshadowing is gonna be awesome, and probably be the end of the series.

Dexo fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Dec 22, 2016

# ¿ Dec 22, 2016 16:51

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

I'm pretty sure Souma is about to take the L.

It makes no sense to cliffhanger it with Souma going last if he wins.

# ¿ May 3, 2017 18:28

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

TheKingofSprings posted:

So Souma wins, because the loving stage they're in isn't heated during the winter making his hot food preferable to Nene's cold

Link?

# ¿ May 11, 2017 01:59

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Angry Grimace posted:

She lost because she didn't check her ingredient quality whereas Soma did.

It makes her sound completely incompetent.

wait what. It had nothing to do with the ingredient quality. The reason she lost was essentially the microcosm of the theme of this arc.

Like the entire theme of this arc has been about destroying Central's ideology of "Experimentation and improvisation = bad"

Angry Grimace posted:

Just inserting that "it's about Central's philosophy" is mostly just a hand-wave without textual evidence. We don't actually know whether she's a dogmatic follower of traditional soba under that circumstance because she didn't even notice the quality problem with her chosen flour.

It's literally stated throughout her flashbacks that she was raised in a traditional soba family with long history of making traditional rear end soba.

Dexo fucked around with this message at 21:21 on May 11, 2017

# ¿ May 11, 2017 21:18

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Angry Grimace posted:

You're just inserting things that aren't actually there. It's not like Soma had some kind of specific understanding that a low ambient temperature would change the volatility of specific compounds in buckwheat flour. He noticed the quality seemed lower than it normally did, so he changed it. She didn't.

She was on the E10 before Central came around and there's very little to establish that she had some specific allegiance to Central's core philosophies beyond voting for him (and Rindou did also so its not like that means anything) It makes no sense she wouldn't notice that the flour was off without giving a further explanation - e.g. she noticed it but did it anyways.

It could be interpreted the way you are suggesting if they had added something that wasn't simply that she forgot to check whether the flour was still good.

The Flour was good. There was literally nothing wrong with the flour. The difference was smell. It wasn't like her dish was terrible. It just lacked the same sobaness(for lack of a better word)

Literally stated the reason she lost was because she focused too much on just what her traditional style was without thinking about everything that goes into serving food to someone including the environment. There was nothing wrong with her food. It just didn't match the environment perfectly like Souma's did.

The First flour didn't have a flaw in it. It was just the wrong weapon for the job.

Dexo fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 11, 2017

# ¿ May 11, 2017 21:32

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Begemot posted:

Yeah this seemed perfectly in keeping with the theme of this arc. Nene just made soba the same way she always does because she spent her whole life learning to make soba in one perfect way. Soma adapted to the circumstances perfectly, and won.

Nene didn't make any mistakes. She just did the thing she'd always been taught to do with no critical thinking. Almost like the philosophy of a certain comically evil chairman....

woah woah but the author didn't explicitly put "OH MY GOD THE REASON SHE LOST IS THE EXACT SAME AS THE ENTIRE THEME OF THE ARC" so we are pretty obviously seeing subtext where there is none.

Gonna need everything spelled out explicitly so I don't have to critically think about basic story structure

# ¿ May 11, 2017 21:59

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Clarste posted:

Angry is right, Soma had no special knowledge of the environmental conditions and didn't think about that at all. All he did was notice that the flour's smell seemed weak so he used the stronger flour. Nene failed to notice this and didn't even consider using another flour. The second half of that is fine for what the story is trying to tell, but the first half makes her seem bad at her job.

Her thinking was literally that "First flour Soba is the ultimate Soba".

She didn't take the situation surrounding her food into account.

Souma as someone who only serves people in a restaurant to survive had to think only of the customer and the eating environment. So he's more liable to notice something like that. There was no problem with the actual ingredient. It was the environment. Souma noticed it subconsciously via smell. But she didn't. Which is a mistake sure, but it's not some grave incompetence that no cook should ever make.

# ¿ May 11, 2017 22:10

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Someone who is constantly experimenting with cooking will notice things that someone who is technically great and well trained, but never experiments will miss.

It's pretty much that simple. It's not a competence issue on her part, it's just a flaw. It's not like she created some terrible attempt at Soba or something. Souma's was just better.

# ¿ May 11, 2017 22:14

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Eej posted:

Professionals gently caress up due to carelessness all the time why does it matter here

Especially when the gently caress up ties directly into the point of the arc. Which is a battle between fluidity and experimentation vs hard recipies and elitism.

# ¿ May 11, 2017 22:26

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

TheKingofSprings posted:

Because the E10 were built up as a major factor for almost the entire manga and now the best non-Isshiki 2nd year just got rolled.

I think that's what annoys me here, we've seen Souma butt heads with the Elite Ten and come out on top with some conditions (Hayama and Eizan weren't on top of their game, he beat Kuga in a single day) but it didn't feel conclusive, just that we could see gradual progress for Souma towards reaching the Elite Ten as a whole.

Now Nene is absolutely being chumped here and this is probably the one moment in the spotlight she will get. It really cheapens and deflates the E10.

He's been making that progress through the entire series. Do people really not think that Souma as he stands now isn't a cook that can stand on the same stage as the bottom 5 members of the Elite 10. He, Nakiri and Hayama are all around the same level of cook.

# ¿ May 11, 2017 23:36

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Angry Grimace posted:

Because this is scripted and it's dumb if an Elite 10 member loses because they're careless.

She wasn't careless though. the entire point was that she would have never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever used third flour. Her "ultimate" soba was made using first style. That is what she was going to make no matter what.

It had nothing to do with carelessness and everything to do with her not being able to think outside the traditional soba box.

# ¿ May 12, 2017 07:55

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

I'm feeling Megumi vs Eizan is going to happen, maybe after Eizan gets a win against Isshiki.

Then Megumi takes an L against Rindou.

# ¿ May 12, 2017 19:42

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Lmao no

# ¿ May 22, 2017 03:37

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Souma just likes to fight. He respects everyone and just like to cook.

He is cooking Goku

# ¿ May 22, 2017 03:49

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deadicons posted:

So don't insult the god-queen/ real president? Got it.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=269

# ¿ May 22, 2017 05:40

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Kuga, Megishima and Mimasaka

Lmao all of these dudes besides maybe Mimasaka are gonna get chumped.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 17:49

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Mikl posted:

Yes but his style of cooking is literally "let the ingredients speak", i.e. he always cooks in the best way to bring out the taste of the ingredients. There's nothing of himself in his cooking. Technically perfect and absolutely flawless, but at the same time empty and soulless.

Whereas Souma's expressing himself through his cooking. And I'm willing to bet this difference is what'll cost Tsukasa the win in his inevitable defeat against Souma.

Megumi should be the one to defeat him for that reason tbh. Use whatever BS help rules and justifications. but yeah.

Souma can cook against food hitler after his dad loses.

# ¿ Jun 13, 2017 21:49

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Mimasaka might actually survive since he wasnt included in this chapter.

# ¿ Jun 15, 2017 22:10

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 15:32

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

His new updated Perfect Trace doesn't require stalking.

His Eyes, they are sharingan.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2017 18:56

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