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Nintendo didn't foresee that developing modern HD games was all that more difficult than games they'd been making since 2001, and started on the WiiU seven years behind the competition. Everything has been delayed because they lack adequate resources and knowledge to make games up to modern standards. They're a toy company now competing against entertainment companies. I'm sure they'll figure it out though, and this console may not even have Gamecube levels of success(by success I mean it made money, kept the brand visible and had high quality games), but it will ensure they're ready next time, and this will not be a Virtual Boy. I don't know how much longer investors will put up with this inept management in a publicly traded company however. I don't know if Iwata can weather this storm and I really don't know if he should.
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Harry posted:Are you trying to say the financials they're filing with governing bodies are a lie? Nintendo probably cooks the books a little like any company, but all in strictly legal ways, and there's no way they could cook the books that much. They aren't in danger of going out of business because they have massive cash on hand two years of losses barely put a dent in. But they are a publicly traded company and can always be in danger of investor wrath, potential buyouts, and other dangers. Their cash on hand does nothing for their stockholders, who have to be getting a little pissed off watching their stock tank.
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May 16, 2013 19:43
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They could be saved if Sony and Microsoft are similarly incompetent. 3DS looked doomed for instance and Vita looked awesome, and would have the same price, when suddenly Sony was forced to delay it, more annoyances of the system were made clear, and Nintendo had time to drop their price, release a better model, and get games out. Something they theoretically could do with WiiU. A better model where they have bigger internal storage, more games digitally preinstalled to sweeten the pot, etc. The problem is we can't really expect delay from Sony this time, and games should be very easy to make for the new systems because of their shared architecture with PCs. We've seen next to no games for either though, and until releases might be plagued by just looking like current gen games with settings rebooted up to max.
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May 16, 2013 20:13
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Judge Ito Boxing posted:Citing "incompetence" here is just stupid. It's not that they're unable to deliver a device on par with the PS4/Durango, it's that they're unwilling. The Wii U's all about subsidized parts and making something as cheap as possible with the veneer of a forward-looking device with high potential, just like the original Wii with its barely-upgraded Gamecube guts and the motion-sensing remote. The 3DS could have had a state-of-the-art Tegra chip if not for a last second switch to a cheaper Asian alternative. All companies are about profit, but Nintendo has unashamedly been focused on spending as little money as possible to maintain its position for the last decade. I'm talking about software development, and their slow releases and delays have pretty much been confirmed by Nintendo themselves as incompetence, them not knowing how many resources HD games would take. On the hardware side, everything you said is also true.
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May 16, 2013 20:37
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Winks posted:I'm put off by the Wii U, but I'm afraid of what I'm going to do when the Zelda game inevitably hits. Hopefully it's bad because otherwise I'm buying a console I otherwise don't really want. It will get perfect 10s, but actually be a bad game everyone hates, but five years later we'll be like "why can't the new Zelda be like that one? It wasn't really that bad in retrospect. In fact it's the best one ever!"
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May 16, 2013 21:32
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boss key posted:Comically large controller and cult status among a minority of devoted fans? It has the first, and it sounds like we're well on the way to the second. So yes, OP. Well even the most devoted fans at this point seem to be at "annoyed frustration". I mean I've owned every Nintendo system ever except the DSi(and 3DS but I'm getting one of those next month), made god knows how many excuses in the past for them, I'm just waiting for them to fire their management at this point.
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May 17, 2013 13:39
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C-Euro posted:I postulated earlier that Nintendo launched when it did because it saw both the 360 and PS2 have great success as the first new consoles of their generations, and Nintendo wanted to try and do the same without fully realizing that those consoles were hits for reasons other than "first out of the gate". The funny thing about that, is the Dreamcast was the first new console of the PS2 generation.
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May 17, 2013 13:49
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The title "Is WiiU Nintendo's Dreamcast" is metaphorical. Whether the Dreamcast was in a paradigm shift is a stupid derail and had nothing to do with the thread so shut the gently caress up about it.
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May 17, 2013 16:57
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Haruharuharuko posted:Holy poo poo this. How the gently caress is Tank! Tank! Tank! $60. We haven't sold a single copy of that even though is supposedly a fun game. Ha, its free now, and you pay about five or ten bucks to unlock the story mode.
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May 17, 2013 18:36
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zarron posted:I can't understand why some goons are getting mad at LP's. To me it's not different than say something like Mystery Science Theater. After all there are a ton of people getting paid for more ridiculous things. Mystery Science Theater has a ton of writing put into it before every episode, as well as production of interstitial segments to set everything up and establish characters, there really is no comparison at all. quote:Also, I'm pretty sure MST actually had the licenses to distribute the films that they covered. Sometimes but for the most part they used films in the public domain as much as possible. greatn fucked around with this message at 13:36 on May 19, 2013 |
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May 19, 2013 13:25
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You're neglecting Super Mario Bros 2, Japanese version. Although it introduced wind physics and Luigi physics, and more advanced bouncing physics, it used the exact same graphics, enemies and powerups as Super Mario Bros(maybe a couple palette swaps here and there). There was also a weird PC port that has a few different levels and the hammer powerup from Donkey Kong of all things.
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May 21, 2013 01:59
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Or it would fail just like every other non WoW MMORPG, no matter how well made, at best trickling in profits after a hundreds of millions of dollars investment.
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May 21, 2013 13:00
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There's a serious possibility the god drat Ouya will outsell the WiiU for several months.
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May 21, 2013 14:59
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elf help book posted:haha You actually believe this. I think the Ouya is a joke. That's why it is so bad retail outlets are putting WiiU on clearance to make room for it.
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May 21, 2013 15:26
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Everyone told Nintendo that Wii was a terrible name and turned out to be wrong. So this time when they had a really terrible name and everyone told them so they didn't listen... even after having the exact same brand confusion problems with 3DS.
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May 21, 2013 16:02
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Xbox One: Does Tvii like the WiiU but faster. No games, just like the WiiU, but you found out about it faster! But games are coming down the line, exclusives and new IP, but we aren't showing any of it yet, just like the WiiU! And just like the WiiU we have an unprecedented partnership with EA!
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May 21, 2013 19:46
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I agree with most of your list, but it can support more than one gamepad. This has been confirmed numerous times by Nintendo themselves and by hardware hackers. They simply haven't made any games that do it yet, it is not a hardware issue.
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May 21, 2013 20:08
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Shyfted One posted:Nope. Wasn't aware, so thanks for pointing that out. Enough of a loss that selling one game per console does not cover the loss, but they won't elaborate any further than that.
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May 21, 2013 21:40
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At this point I think there easily are about three or four really good games worth owning no matter what your tastes are. And you should note many of the launch ports are price reduced on the eShop right now.
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Jun 3, 2013 15:10
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ChocNitty posted:ZombiU, and a few DS and Wii sequels don't qualify as killer apps or system sellers worthy of making the $400 investment. He already has a WiiU though. If you already have one, there are games worth having.
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Jun 4, 2013 11:38
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June + 1 = July June +2 = August June +3 = September June +4 = October June +5 = November Most Christmas shopping begins in November. I'm not sure what your point was.
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Jun 4, 2013 14:19
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Well it was a preemie.
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Jun 4, 2013 14:35
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I don't understand how the WiiU is so expensive to produce. Or how the Gamepad is so expensive to produce. The screen it is using is ancient. I know it's filled with tech baubles but still how in the world is one of those things supposed to cost around $150. The 3ds costs less than that to make, and has nearly as many if not more baubles, plus actual processors and graphics chips.
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Jun 4, 2013 18:23
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Install Gentoo posted:Just because everything in the Wii U is kind of slow or outdated, it doesn't mean they're actually going to be cheap to produce. At a certain point isn't it actually cheaper to use more modern, more readily mass produced components you don't have to specially contract out to a single supplier? Like honestly, competitive sized capacitive touchscreens are probably produced by the assload already, and the WiiU is the only device I can even think of with a resistive touchscreen that big. That has to increase the unit price long term over if they just went modern.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:21
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With the terrible names, do you think that had to do with it being a Japanese company, where changing one symbol or adding a syllable is much more significant in their language than it might be in English?
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Jun 4, 2013 19:32
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You're forgetting the xbone is including the Kinect 2, which is their own gamepad-level expensive boondoggle. Of course the PS4 includes the Eye but I think that's much cheaper tech.
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Jun 4, 2013 19:51
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Cockmaster posted:And seriously, what was up with them pushing back the release of Pikmin 3 to August? They didn't know how long it took to make hd games. They had to pull half the Pikmin 3 team off the project just to finish Nintendo Land in time for launch.
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Jun 4, 2013 20:20
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Nintendo is just dead set against ever paying licensing fees for a format. The other reason on Gamecube was the smaller discs meant faster loading times.
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Jun 6, 2013 13:01
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I wouldn't mind if Nintendo stuck around this level of technology for years, past the point where it is very cheap, and just completely mastered it, while continuing ui and other online improvements. Because m modern game design and hardware has really outgrown them it seems, and they need time to catch up.
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midwat posted:Welcome to the worst generation. Baby boomers? Well, I guess boomers designed the Xbone too, come to think of it.
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And they do keep improving and evolving the gameplay mechanics. The series by and large gets better with each installment with some exceptions. (Diamond/Pearl were good but slowed the battle speed to a ridiculous degree). I think people chanting for an MMORPG don't realize the series already has many of these features. You can trade and battle online with strangers and team up with friends without issue. The new one will even have 3d graphics. Really I think people just want that experience but with console graphics and polish. That just isn't efficient use of development though. The games are cheaper to make and have a much wider install base on handhelds.
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The Gamecube had great third party support. A few great exclusives and a port of almost every multiplatform game. People talk about how it was a failure but it didn't really sell that much worse than the X box. The game boy advance(and Color before that) probably had the best third party support of any Nintendo system.
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Is Gran Turismo not made by SCEA? I just assumed if it were third party it would have showed up on xbox by now. Plus I bet each disc was orders of magnitude cheaper to produce than Mario 64 carts.
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Jul 18, 2013 19:17
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Install Gentoo posted:The GameCube got 649 games total across all regions, and the system sold 21 million units before it was discontinued. You compare both to the PS2 though and the difference doesn't look that large.
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Jul 18, 2013 20:00
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Smart phones just get progressively better generation by generation though. Android I could never see as a threat to handheld because of fragmentation, but certainly Microsoft might one day build a controller you just slot your lumia into, or Apple takes the plunge into videogames. The only real thing holding it back right now is crap control interfaces, the limited computing power and screen refresh problems will take care of themselves.
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Just out of curiosity how much did the Ouya sell in June, it's launch month?
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Jul 19, 2013 11:53
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OatmealRaisin posted:Counting the 60,000 kickstarter backer units, less than 100k. So more than the WiiU I guess, hiyoooooooo!
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Bovineicide posted:There's more new features added in new CoD or Madden versions than there are between NSMBW and NSMBU. DK2 and 3D World both look like they're going to have the same level of effort put into them. I didn't bring up Wonderful101 or Pikmin 3 because neither of them are system sellers. This is bullshit. 3D world is adding entirely new coop multiplayer where each character is unique with their own gameplay mechanic. DK2 is adding at least two new playable characters, the worlds are in vastly different environments, there's a completely new set of enemies unrelated to the previous games, and all new music from the original DKC2 composer. And Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3 not being "system sellers" whatever the hell that means, doesn't negate that they are high quality long term effort developed games, which you were saying Nintendo doesn't make anymore.
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Kurtofan posted:I can't think of a delayed Nintendo game that wasn't at least good. Geist, Game and Wario.
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Valve and Blizzard also never announce anything anymore unless it's basically done, a tactic Nintendo has started using as of late, excepting the "launch window" games.
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