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I've hired software managers off the street and if they have no management experience I'm probably stuck teaching people management skills to someone for 6-12 months, so I think the idea that hiring managers don't care about experience is a pretty big over simplification.

If you have been directly managing teams for 2.5 years that is junior in that area, but most software (especially SaaS-likes) wasn't managers to also have technical skills and can get their hands dirty, so a junior manager position might still pay well and have lots of mobility. It all depends, but yes I would expect it would be tough getting leadership positions for 20+ people, but it is by no means impossible.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2018 16:20

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 02:42

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Gin_Rummy posted:

Have any of you every worked with a career transition firm known as Lee, Hecht, Harrison? I was recently laid off and my previous employer is covering three months of their services and it feels like a huge joke. They just sent me their first draft of my resume revision (which I�ve already workshopped and refined via Reddit) and the poo poo they did... how can anyone who writes resumes for a living think that a two page resume is a good idea?

I worked with a similar firm that was a pretty big joke. The one thing they did have was some good material for independent consulting, but that wasn't really possible for me at this point. Everything else they did was pretty useless.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2018 16:45

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I have been hiring people for 10+ years. I don't care about multi page resumes and when recently switching jobs mine was two full pages. Don't add fluff, keep it pertaining to the position you are looking for, and more than one page is fine. This is coming from the software field, but I would imagine healthcare is similar.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2018 04:29

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Love Stole the Day posted:

But doesn't leaving non-relevant things out imply that there will be gaps? I thought those were bad and make it less likely you'll get a callback.
Also can I PM you a resume for feedback?

I mean, don't spend a lot of space talking about a position that doesn't apply. For example, now that I'm in management my years in a technical position are summarized down to 2 bullet points. Generally you don't want gaps, but you don't need to go in depth either, that's what I mean by don't have fluff and keep it focused. I don't really care that you were server-of-the-month at Applebees, but if I'm hiring a fresh-out-of-college guy its not bad to know someone worked through college.

Yeah, feel free to PM.

Robot Mil posted:

I mean I probably wouldn't just leave stuff out completely but maybe stick my qualifications at the bottom without much mention and try and focus on transferable skills when I talk about my experience/previous jobs?

Are personal/summary statements a good idea on this situation?

I like to see them, some other hiring managers ignore them. If I see you mention that you hiked the Appalachian trail or are a master Scuba diver or something I'll ask some questions just to see what you're like talking about something you're passionate about. I like to hire people who aren't robots and I like when I can see people get excited about something. Again, 2 or 3 sentences is probably fine. I also hire in India and there they like to give a couple paragraphs on what their family is up to and stuff, that is probably too much in the US.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2018 15:40

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TheOrange posted:

This might be a weird question, but I'm wonder what is the best way to describe a period of self-employment / contract work on my resume?

For context, I left a company in 2017 but continued to work freelance for them up until early 2018 when I got a full-time job at a local start-up which crumbled 4 months in. The company I was working for in 2017 was still interested in me after the start-up fell apart so now I'm back working with them, but I'm kind of wondering how I frame this on my resume so it doesn't look like I'm making things up next time I need to seek employment.

The reason I'm anxious about this is it feels like the last time I was in that position I was getting a large number of lukewarm responses about my resume. I had just listed the contracting period as a 'self-employed / freelance' blurb that detailed the duties I performed. It sure felt like I was getting more active responses when I was able to list the last company I worked for directly by name.

My main thoughts are just listing the companies I've done business with directly in that section and maybe filing some kind of proper business entity for myself to actually demonstrate some more legitimacy. Still wondering what is the best way to handle this gap in 2018 while I was working for the other company, just display it as X, 2017 - Y 2018; Z 2018 - Present?

Yeah, that's what I would do. Depending on the industry on how common freelancing is you can either mention it or not. To give full info I'd present it like:

---
Acme 2015-Present (freelance between March 17-Feb 18)
Making sure grapes were red

Binko March 2017-Feb 2018
Painting grapes red
---

I wouldn't call that self-employed if you were just essentially working 2 jobs.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2018 02:25

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I've unintentionally ghosted candidates but usually its because some budget fuckup happened and I am trying to scramble to get the money I thought I had at the beginning of the hiring process. Or I ended up interviewing 2 candidates, hired 1, but liked the 2nd enough to see if I could find a spot and never actually do.

I don't know about your situation, but sometimes other things happen.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2018 14:42

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Krispy Wafer posted:

And it's also not necessarily correct. Plenty of hiring managers hire the best candidate for the job and if that person lowballs themselves will even advocate for more because it's expensive to interview and hire people. No one wants to hire someone who is just going to jump ship six months later. The places that try and screw you on money get into feedback loops where they offer below-market wages because everyone they hire just quits six months later anyway so why offer more money. Or they got real lucky in 2010 offering poo poo money for good talent and can't figure out why those tactics aren't working in 2018.

My wife is a hiring manager and I've seen her go out of her way multiple times to get a better offer for a candidate. I've also watched her get talked down from firing a guy just out of college because he missed his drug test appointment twice, so it's not like she's the type of manager who wants to be everyone's friend.

Yeah, I am a hiring manager and usually I have a range of salary someone has to fit in. I don't get any sort of kickback or brownie points for lowballing someone so usually if their asking salary is in that range we're good to go. Most corporate hiring practices are similar.

This is why you shouldn't lowball yourself when asking for salary.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2018 21:39

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Jyrraeth posted:

Any pointers for the interview question of "what do you bring to [company]?" Type interview questions. I've have no idea because I'm so junior, but I think my answers have all been really weak regardless.

Talk a lot about growth and what you think you can do in 5 years. If it's a IT Sys Admin job talk about how you can see yourself finding ways of cutting budget, or providing a point of view moving to the cloud. Another good thing would be talking about how you think you can provide leadership on the team. If you have some leadership examples from school that is a good place to bring them up.

Sound confident when answering this question, and use it to make them believe you are looking for a career instead of a job.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2018 15:35

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

we throw people's resumes in the trash if they don't provide a cover letter (consulting). it says on the website to send a cover letter and resume so if you can't read, gently caress you.

Alternatively, some websites don't even give you a way to upload a cover letter, in those cases instead of uploading it as a 2nd resume or whatever I'd probably recommend skipping.

If there is no guidance, you should probably include it and it probably shouldn't sound like a cut & paste.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2018 15:30

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Not having an address is not a deal breaker, but if I think someone needs to relocate for a position where that isn't really something we want to do it might make me skip them.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2018 13:47

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Send something she can put in an Outlook folder named "guy to hire" instead of forgetting about you.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2018 01:26

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I don't mind one recent job change after a short amount of time. Go beyond that I would start to question it. I don't know your industry to know if the layoffs are common enough that no one would care, but I would definitely note it on the negative (though right now it's really hard to find good people so that alone wouldn't be a deal breaker).

HR recruiters love to strike out candidates for too many jobs in the last couple years though.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2018 01:49

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Covok posted:

Would it be better if I stuck it out for a year? That would be doing one busy season.

Yeah, at least. Again, I don't know your industry but given what you described I'd like to see closer to three years before I'd drop my concern. I know that sucks but this is sort of like a bad mark on your credit you need to bear down to get fixed.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2018 05:16

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He's looking for his 4th job in less than 2 years. As a hiring manager I'd want to see more than a year in a position before I'd consider him a flight risk to hire. Again, it depends a lot on the industry, in mine the training period is usually 3-6 months before you are significantly contributing so I might be more sensitive to flight risks.

# ¿ Jul 22, 2018 20:30

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I mean, nothing stopping you from looking for a new position anyway, I'm just giving feedback on what a hiring manager may think looking at your resume and why you may be in a bit of an uphill battle. Sounds like you have a good base, and the multiple job thing is certainly fixable.

# ¿ Jul 22, 2018 21:50

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Covok posted:

But anyway, thank you. You're being a great help. Of course the plan is not to do anything unless I have another job lined up. I also have the worry that my boss is assistant told me that if the transition doesn't go well and we don't make enough money they might just cut the entire division so I have a lot of reasons to be worried. But you are being a big help by showing me the other perspective.

I would explicitly put things like "Office laid off" or "Divison Cut" in a resume, no more than a couple words like that though. From a hiring perspective it does help.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2018 02:19

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Covok posted:

I really should. I'm kind of embarrassed, though. No one knows I have anxiety problems except the internet.

You probably know a half-dozen people at least who have gone to a Dr for anxiety, you just have no idea. It's worth it to go, the quality of life increase will be significant and it should be covered.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2018 02:38

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Matt Zerella posted:

Quick question, I'm probably accepting an offer from a MSP that seems rather chill and not a total factory of sadness. BUT I have a few more interviews lined up and I plan on taking them. Do I bring this up or just let the confidence help boost me? I'm taking them because they're for in house shops which is where I'd much rather be.

Don't say you accepted a position, but do say you are doing second and third interviews with places. It'll weed or anyone who isn't interested in hiring soon anyway.

# ¿ Jul 23, 2018 21:14

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Eric the Mauve posted:

Alternatively, it could provoke them to pull the offer and you risk ending up with nothing.

If the offer on the table is acceptable then just accept the job and, if you get a better offer next week, take it. Don't feel guilty. They'd fire you instantly if they thought it profitable or they suddenly need to give your position to the COO's niece-in-law.

IMO.

If someone had an offer ready why would knowing the candidate is interviewing elsewhere cause them to pull the offer? The idea on saying you are interviewing is to create a sense of urgency, and you have the wiggle room to risk someone pulling away if they couldn't hire in the near future anyway. Ideally, this would get you an offer sooner rather than having to try to fit interviews into the first few weeks of employment.

You are 100% correct that you should take a better offer if it comes, even if you just started somewhere else.

Eric the Mauve posted:

I may have confused this for the Corporate America thread but at a megacorp the purpose of that and other common-but-useless questions is to weed out people who would be out of their depth trying to survive at a giant conglomerate.

This is very bad advice. As someone who has been a hiring manager at both large public corporations as well at smaller private companies the goal is usually the same. Once you are past HR, even at a huge company you are probably being interviewed to join a smallish team (20 or less) and thus your being measured against skills and fit on that team. I have absolutely passed on candidates who were obviously trying to follow some rote script they learned by googling "How to get hired".

# ¿ Jul 24, 2018 00:07

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Eric the Mauve posted:

You should ask a lawyer if you�re really interested but a noncompete that broad probably isn�t enforceable.

You should have laughed and refused to sign it, though.

Basically. If it were me I'd just kinda ignore it but you'd need to talk to a lawyer if you wanted a real answer. I've never seen a non-compete's enforced in situations where you aren't cultivating a client-base and then only sometimes and then only in direct-competitor situations. If you were to move on to a social media manager position in another company I don't think anyone would care unless it was a direct competitor, and even then I don't think it would be enforceable.

I'm not a lawyer though so this is just guesswork.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2018 13:19

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22 Eargesplitten posted:

Are there any people around here that can take a look at a technical resume and tell me why mine sucks? I found a job I really want to apply to (25 minute less commute, $15k+ immediate pay bump according to Glassdoor, office with stocked kitchen, WFH options, flex hours, and working with technology that is currently a ticket to write your own paycheck after a year or two), and I really don't want to gently caress it up.

I'm asking the same thing in the IT threads, but I figure this is a thread for it too.

I've been a hiring manager at software companies for 10+ years. PM me your resume, I can take a look and give some feedback. If you can send me the job posting too I can also suggest what I think they are digging for.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2018 13:57

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BigDave posted:

poo poo man, any chance you could do mine too? I'll even pay you.

Go for it, no payment necessary. I won't rewrite stuff (and my resume isn't super great anyway) but I can tell you what I think is missing/unnecessary. I do a lot of recruiting for other groups when the managers are bad at it, so I've gotten pretty good at translating between HR speak and Technical Manager speak.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2018 17:25

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Xguard86 posted:

Could be like:

Did x that had y effect earning recognition as the top <role> of the quarter/year/whatever

Yeah, this is the best way. You could say "Had escalating set of responsibilities and value was recognized" but I'd probably ignore it honestly.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2018 18:28

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Sand Monster posted:

Looking for advice on how to structure my resume based on the following circumstances:

For approximately 18 months (2015-2016), I was working for "Old Company" as a "Storage Services Administrator". The company was acquired in mid-2016 by "New Company" and I was brought on to the new company with a new title, "Storage Specialist".

My duties for the next year were largely the same as before the acquisition and I continued to work supporting the legacy "Old Company" clients that I had been working with. In 2017, things changed and I was brought on to work with "New Company" customers in a specific international market exclusively.

For purposes of my resume, do I treat these as separate jobs coinciding with the acquisition, which at a casual glance it would appear that I left "Old Company" to work for "New Company"? Do I put something at the top of my resume entry for "New Company" saying something like, "Changed to new position upon acquisition of 'Old Company' and continued to support legacy clients"? Or is there some other, better way to approach this?

Frame it how you think it looks the best. For company you can always put "OldName/NewComp" and just keep the job the same. Go with the title that you think is the best, no one is going to sweat details that much.

As a hiring manager I'd rather just see that whole birds nest as 1 entry, but I wouldn't care too much either way.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2018 17:24

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Gin_Rummy posted:

Another dumb recruiter question:

Why the gently caress do so many third party recruiters push so hard for a Skype/FaceTime call? Is a simple phone call not enough these days?

Also, I can�t believe I had to explain to one of these guys what the gently caress an intern is.

My experience with recruiters is they try to stick hard to company playbooks. So if the playbook says "Call or skype" then that's what they'll do.

In some defense over hundreds of people you probably get less flake outs via phone and skype than you would over email, and that's $$ to them. Right now good candidates are disappearing in days, so they probably are more aggressive on getting face-to-face meetings than ever before.

# ¿ Aug 3, 2018 14:40

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Gin_Rummy posted:

The mere notion of a Skype interview for a position ten minutes down the road is just very odd to me though. Like, I can�t help but feel like they�re using the Skype call to screen my appearance for the company or some stupid poo poo like that.

EDIT: Especially since we have already discussed the role, the company, and they�re already in the process of submitting my resume. What the gently caress is the purpose of getting on skype after all that?

They are using Skype to screen your appearance for the company. Its (probably) not racial profiling or anything, they don't want to send some edgelord or slob to some company they are trying to build a relationship with.

The flake out rate on candidates is also pretty high right now, so getting you to commit to a call is a good way to make sure you commit to an interview. It both tells them you'll show up, and also makes you feel more invested.

It doesn't have to apply to everyone, but over hundreds of candidates if it means 4 or 5 more get hired that's like $100k in additional recruiting fees they get.

# ¿ Aug 3, 2018 15:08

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mekilljoydammit posted:

Another recruiter contact. Something she said, combined with other stuff I see in this thread has me scratching my head.

I'm a mechanical engineer with 10 years of experience, and have been looking to some degree for a year or so, and more actively for about 6 months... so going from applying to "oooh, this sounds really cool" to "I think I can pass as qualified for this" but in that year have had two in person interviews. Everyone I talk to is astonished I'm not just getting snatched up with my resume so I assume it's not terrible, feedback from the in-person interviews seems to be on the "we wanted more experience in this one area" kind of thing but generally positive... but recruiter today mentioned that the length of time I've been looking might be sending up red flags.

I dunno, just wtf?

I dunno, dumb recruiter? My last company employed mechanical engineers alongside software people and I always got the impression the ME field was harder to find jobs than people realize. I feel like I frequently run into generally smart ME people who switched careers in some capacity.

AnonymousNarcotics posted:

I got the job with the company that had the awesome hiring process (video interview - > Immersion day - > less formal breakfast with manager) and I'm so excited.

Sweet, congrats. Always like to see smarter interviewing process and it sounds like it was a good match.

# ¿ Aug 3, 2018 21:12

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bee posted:

1. Mix of both. Don't mention money but something like "I want to use my skills and I think there is a lot of room to grow" is usually pretty good. Something about wanting to help your clients or something is also usually pretty good. Don't go nuts here, this is mostly a filler question to see how your written communication skills are, so make it intelligible.

2. They want you to say you'd snitch. If there is a culture of not speaking up its probably costing the government tons of money. Something like "I approached the individual and talked it out to understand their side of the story. If I needed to, I was prepared to escalate, but after talking it out with Bruce he realized it was better to follow the rules and we were all set".

# ¿ Aug 4, 2018 02:34

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Love Stole the Day posted:

How can I get better as a candidate? Because evidently I'm a pretty bad candidate

Depends on the industry, but right now good software engineering candidates (Bachelors degree, demonstrable github repository, skills in Java, Spring, maybe some new stuff) have a very short shelf life (here in MN). I've had a few candidates disappear on me midstream, 3 or 4 years ago that was much more rare.

Recruiters are being more aggressive because of this. If you're in a technical field and want to PM me your resume I can take a look and give you some tips on where to spend your time (Free online courses have gotten lots of people jobs/ raises).

If you haven't connected to a local contracting firm yet, that can help if you're having trouble. Means a short-term lower wage but it can get you in the door.

# ¿ Aug 4, 2018 15:20

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gayest of posters posted:

what sort of experience should a resum� for volunteer position need? i am a student with no work experience.

Have it look good, 2/3 of a page is fine. Focus on any extra-curriculars, areas of focus for your studies, maybe noteable projects you've done at school. Focus on things you've accomplished.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2018 02:43

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Covok posted:

I worked at a firm for 11 months. Is it bad if I claim I worked their a full year on the resume just to make it a rounder number? Not actually looking for work at the moment, but I'm curious if this is a bridge too far.

I wouldn't do this unless you knew they would never check references, its one of the few things that will always be verifiable.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2018 14:29

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MJP posted:

OK, got a response: the manager said to email him at his company account and to apply online. So here's what I thought the email ought to look like:

At this point am I over-networking? Should I treat the email as a cover letter and just send that?

An email like that is great. If she pushes back politely or just ignores you then you're done with just the recommendation. Have good questions ready to ask her. Being very interested in the role and company is a good thing for a hiring manager to see.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2018 03:00

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Look at Glassdoor for salaries, set your salary in line with that, on the higher end. If you can't find a number, or negotiable or even something like $1.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2018 22:44

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

it's also illegal to ask in some states now so move yourself to a liberal enclave like Massachusetts or California

I think it's illegal to ask how much you made*, but not illegal to ask salary expectations, otherwise offering a job would be awkward.

*Even then I think it's legal to ask, just illegal to require it, but it's been a while since I hired in MA.

# ¿ Aug 7, 2018 22:52

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C-Euro posted:

How would you approach an interview for a position whose scope and duties haven't yet been defined?

Background: a fellow alum of my alma mater is president of a company in an industry that I want to get into. I messaged him on LinkedIn earlier in the summer asking for advice on how to get into the industry. He turns around and tells me about a managerial position he's planning to implement at his company next year and tells me that my background is pretty close to what he had in mind for it. He and I talk on the phone once or twice, I have a couple calls with someone in their HR group, and now I'm headed up there tomorrow for a half-day to talk with him and a few other high-level employees.

I haven't received any written info about what the position would entail (though we have discussed the general requirements for it over the phone) and have been told not to plan my life for the next 6-9 months around the certainty of this role being created. But they're scheduling a bunch of time for me to meet people there and my president buddy told me that he wants to talk over my CV, so it's more than just a friendly gesture.

I'm going to treat it as an actual interview minus coming in with a bunch of canned questions about the position since they haven't given me a clear picture of what it is (and I'm sure that we'll discuss it while I'm there). If nothing else, it's a chance for me to make a good impression on some people in an industry that I want to be in. Does that sound like a reasonable approach?

Yeah, just to set expectations I've worked on multiple roles that were supposed to spin off into a new position and never did, so take the advice to not count on this ever getting off the ground to heart.

But to your question, I'd focus your talk on things you've accomplished in previous roles and ask questions about things like what people's organizations are hoping to achieve in the next year, what goals they have, etc. Basically, shift the focus from day-to-day to higher level, strategic things. Asking questions about company culture can also leave a good impression, and give you insight if that's a place you want to stay at or not. Sounds like they already think highly of you, so just keep it going and use this as a chance to find out what you want to find out.

# ¿ Aug 14, 2018 19:31

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Xguard86 posted:

I've got an offer on the table from company A and am waiting to hear from company B if they will bring me in for their final round.

What's the polite way to ask company B to let me know if they're bringing me in and to please move the process along if they are? Would just outright saying, "I've got an offer and would like to know your plans" be taken negativily?

If they take it negatively you don't want to work there. "I have an offer on the table and would strongly consider your best offer if you can let me know by xxx date"

If they try to stall they probably aren't going to how you anyway.

# ¿ Aug 16, 2018 02:34

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Eric the Mauve posted:

Alternatively, if you like the offer you already have in hand just accept it, and if the second company comes in with a better one, jump.

Yeah this is also ok. Unless the industry is really small, don't feel loyalty just because they hired you. If you want one to offer up or go away that's fine, but you don't need to feel tied to anyone.

# ¿ Aug 16, 2018 05:42

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Eric the Mauve posted:

Significantly more so than interviewing, getting a good offer, and then declining it at the last minute would?

As a hiring manager if a candidate declined an offer I'd be way less annoyed than if they started and then quit. I wouldn't hold it against the friend, but it would be a different situation. Stuff like that can make your department look bad if you have retention goals and usually there is a lot of overhead and spin-up that you'd need to do to start recruiting that you'd have to redo in that situation.

You shouldn't take this as a reason not to leave a company if you got an offer, but in Xguard86's situation with the friend it makes some sense.

# ¿ Aug 16, 2018 18:57

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fluppet posted:

So I had a 3rd interview for a job last night and all was positive to the point where I was told there should be and offer made today. Get a phone call from recruitment at 16:30 today telling that there's now a hiring freeze in place but it should hopefully be lifted by the end of September and if I'm still available I'll be the first one called.

Am I just being fobbed off or is this a thing that happens?

The freeze is probably true (every company I've ever worked for has had hiring freezes, especially for public companies but private too). Whether or not the job will be there in September is a total crapshoot. The freeze might be extended or budget may change.

I disagree this is a reason to avoid the company. Really good places to work have had hiring freezes, but you absolutely should keep looking. If your not a hiring manager you probably aren't aware that these happen. If the offer comes in you can always leave hypothetical new job.

If they just wanted to completely fob you off they could have ghosted you, so congrats on coming in first in a race with no prize yet.

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Bring it up with the internal recruiter you are talking to. It's not a bad thing. That person might not be assed to actually do anything, but if they do it's your best bet.

# ¿ Aug 23, 2018 12:35

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