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Velius
Feb 27, 2001
Maybe I'm not being clear about it. It isn't the outcome I don't understand, but why (Mt. Char spoilers) father chose that way to do it, and why torturing them until one of them went mad to generate a monster to challenge the others was his only MO.

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Velius
Feb 27, 2001
I really liked Deed of Paksenarrion, but was wary of the other books in the setting once Paks wasn't the focus. The Legacy of Gird spinoff didn't really seem that novel since they seemed like more traditional heroes quest stuff.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
Oh. Apparently the last book in the Daniel Abraham Dagger and the Coin series is out. I enjoyed the earlier books, surprised this came out with so little notice.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Spiders-War-Dagger-Coin-ebook/dp/B00QQQL830/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
One of my favorite things about Gibson is that he loathes Shadowrun.

"[T]he admixture of cyberspace and, spare me, *elves*, has always been more than I could bear to think about."

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
I love most Vinge books but Children of the Sky is definitely his weakest. I'd put it on part with The Peace War, as in not actively bad reading but mediocre by comparison to anything else he's written. Very skippable plot wise as well, until and unless he writes another.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

blue squares posted:

After 30 pages of the first Expanse book I have groaned several times. I particularly hated the description of plastic buttons and switches as being "designed for high Gs." As if that could possibly matter.

And the authors like infodumping paragraphs constantly instead of delivering information through the scene.


Another 30 pages in and it's getting better. I guess with Sci-fi you just have to accept that some things are going to be overly described into order to please the tech fans

Hey, if you're strapped into an acceleration chair you're not going to be reaching up to a screen in front of you to push buttons, they'll be built into the chair right by your fingers. These details are really important to the narrative! My space-immersion!

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

anilEhilated posted:

Hey folks, looking for an audiobook recommendation for the gym again - need something light, page-turny and not big on romance/sex scenes. Last thing I tried was Consider Phlebas and I gave up on that around chapter seven, just felt slow and meandering and frankly boring. Any ideas?
The caveat is that I've already read most of the thread's usual favorites so obscure recommendations are better - except they'd have to be available in audio so nothing too obscure. Pain in the rear end, I know.

How about Stephen R. Donaldson's Lord Fouls Bane? There's a little sex but no romance at all, and it's from the seventies so maybe you haven't read it yet.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Kesper North posted:

Just read Reynolds. He does what Hull Zero Three tried to do, except better, and David Bowie does the soundtrack.

It seems there's a new Dread Empire's Fall book coming this October?!

https://www.amazon.com/Impersonations-Praxis-Walter-Jon-Williams-ebook/dp/B01FQQ41DE/

Plot sounds like "Sula goes on vacation, accidentally starts a war" which I'm pretty down for.

So more 'the only remotely competent person in the Galaxy winning against idiots'?

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
I pretty much agree with Morgan that gratuitous violence being acceptable (if not ubiquitous) in media while sex is forbidden is one of our more silly societal beliefs. If it bugs you move past it or read something else. For every scene involving licking drugs off someone's breasts, there's another describing chopping off of a head followed by excision of the base of the spinal cord. I feel like the wrong one of those is innocuous.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

apophenium posted:

Aside from Kovacs mentioning blood rushing to the tip of his sleeve's penis Altered Carbon is the book I didn't know I wanted to read. I love detective/mystery stories a lot and the sci-fi trappings give it an interesting bit of flavor. Are the rest of the books in the trilogy on par?

They're really different. Broken Angels is about Kovacs working as a mercenary pacifying an uprising on a non-earth planet, while there are mysteries it's much less noir. Woken Furies is back on his home planet and there's a lot of dealing with his past and trying to protect someone. All three are good, but I'm probably least attached to the third one.

Alastair Reynolds has a bit of mystery to some of his stuff. People here don't like it much but Century Rain is half noir, half sci-fi. Chasm City is great book with a mystery but it's more straight sci-fi.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
I was trying to not ruin the setup. 🙁

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
Oh dear. Terry Goodkind in a book club. I find the notion fascinating, so I feel like I can't recommend you avoid it. I do feel obliged to ask how uncomfortable your group would be if there were hypothetical sadomasichistic sex ninjas? Also evil chickens?

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

tooterfish posted:

I just found Accelerando on my e-reader and I can't for the loving life of me remember how it got there.

Did I get it on the recommendation of this thread? Is it good?

I love Stross and gave up on accelerando very quickly. It's a tough sell, since it's basically him trying to do a by-definition-indescribable-to-humans Singularity: the novel. I'll try again sometime.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
The Black Company also heavily inspired the Myth games. The notion of evil wizards etc wasn't exactly groundbreaking, but the point of view of fallible infantry grunts in over their head was pretty novel for fantasy.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

FastestGunAlive posted:

Portal fantasy; I remember reading "Orcs!" when I was in high school. The orcs open up a portal to our world and get their hands on military weapons and a soldier who trains them, then they wreck the elves using machine guns and Huey helicopters. I stopped reading because there was some unnecessarily long and explicit orc on orc sex scenes. I stopped reading fantasy for several years after that

The other one is "Caverns of Socrates" by Mckiernan, which is about a group of rpg gamers who test out a virtual reality version of their game and get trapped in it. Not at all like a litrpg with stat blocks or whatever. I really want this to come out on ebook cause I'm curious to re read it but I don't want to get a physical copy (I move a lot so I'm big on no clutter)

It's actually "Grunts!" by Mary Gentle. It was actually pretty decent as a genre parody. The premise isn't that a portal opens to our world exactly, but rather that a Dragon hoarded treasures from various worlds it accessed by portals. In its stash are a bunch of M-16s, marine uniforms and other gear - All cursed to make those who loot them take up traits of the former owners or something. The overarching joke being that Orks aren't very different from marines.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Something to tell us about the sequel Batutta? I don't recall this scene at all, although it's implied by the story...

What neither she nor Pinion could have guessed is how fully the Masquerade sinks its claws into her, so that the next time they see each other, a decade later, that moment of not knowing has created such a gulf that they have no way of understanding one another. Baru may have more technical knowledge than her mother, but Pinion knows that Baru is nearly lost to her.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

I can't tell if this is a joke post. I actually have all those books but I'm sure they're long since out of print. They're pretty pulpy from what I recall. I would put them above Dragonlance/Forgotten Realms stuff but that's not saying much.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Ben Nerevarine posted:

The Foppish Dandy Baru Cormorant

Baru Cormorant 2: 2 Many Cormorants

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

cis autodrag posted:

I actually find hell depictions to be the stupidest part of Banks's writing. Just non stop turborape and ultraviolence. It's not very creative at best and stomach turning in the most blasé way at worst. Surface details version is outshined in shittiness only by the villain in The Algebraist.

I’m pretty sure hell being banal and stupid is absolutely the point.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Fallom posted:

Marooned in Real-time and The Peace War by Vinge

The Peace War is pretty iffy, I think it’s Vinge’s worst novel. Good ideas, but the plot and characterization are mediocre. Marooned is great though. In a sentence it’s about a policeman investigating a murder which might or might not be related to the disappearance of humanity a few eons earlier.

Velius fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jul 12, 2018

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Deptfordx posted:

I actually read both sequels as they came out, and I could not tell you a single thing that happened in either of them.

I'm wondering now what combination of badness and/or boring they must be, because they apparently made zero impression on me and I could tell you the plot of (to pick the first thing that comes to mind) shlock D&D novel Azure Bonds off the top of my head in considerable detail. And I haven't read that for 30 years.

Hey now, Azure Bonds was decent enough to get a Gold Box game made based on it. One of the better ones, as far as I can remember.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
I’d recommend London Falling. It’s urban fantasy but it’s not goofy or light hearted at all. I can’t give a great summary of it and do it justice, but it’s really creepy. My biggest problem with it the characters aren’t very like-able.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

General Battuta posted:

Tor has the first two chapters of Baru 2 up, after the prelude which was already posted. You actually get back to Baru's POV instead of some poor guy on a boat!

That was a lot of internal monologue. Some of it seems quite similar to your personal webpage discussion about the ending of Traitor, and maybe a little too explicit about the meaning and motivation of it. Or maybe I feel that way because I read your webpage? I’m kind of curious as to whether that sort of thing might have been suggested so the reader who misses the subtext doesn’t get too lost.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Khizan posted:

I'm in the middle of it and I like it so far. As far as it goes, it's a standard Richard K Morgan book. Over the top alpha-male protagonist, dystopian setting, needlessly graphic sex scenes, well done action scenes. It's on Mars in the same setting as Thirteen, with COLIN and the lottery for passage back to Earth and such, but it's not actually related to Thirteen storywise and doesn't seem to share any characters.

If you liked Morgan's other books, then it's more of the same. If you didn't like his other books, then well. It's still more of the same.

Nice! I love Morgan, although I agree he does have those issues you mention. I will say that the first two books in his fantasy trilogy were really enjoyable, and even have a Female protagonist... who is a lesbian and I’m not remotely qualified to say if she’s written as an alpha male with find/replace he -> she. On the other hand tons of (male on male) gay sex!

Velius fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Oct 25, 2018

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

General Battuta posted:

I'm wrapping up the third book now (should have it in by end of year) so if you live post your criticism I can kill off thinly disguised versions of you in a spiteful rage try to clarify/explain poo poo in the net book.

Don’t kill him, do something like making him a micropenis-having infant rapist like Michael Creighton did with his critics!

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

Strategic Tea posted:

I dunno I always feel pretty gross when I read other peoples' political strawman anti-fantasies, even if I enjoy the book. Blackfish City was another one like this (pointless housing crisis on a floating city) turns out you just have to reach the heavily guarded 'give poor people houses' button.

E: It's like when you say something you have been brooding on for a while. You thought it was pretty good, but out loud it's just really lame. Political end of the world fantasies are similarly personal IMO.

A “good” right wing nut job one is Neil Asher’s Owner series. Evil socialists have taken over earth and only John Galt can kill them all, destroy their orbital laser platform, fly to mars, kill them all on mars, and save the solar system with the help of self reliance and helpless bad guys who haven’t learned how to do anything themselves without the government handing them everything!

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

StrixNebulosa posted:

Haha, okay, thank you. That's about the best case scenario I could hope for, here. To the library!

(most of the library books I ordered in the last two weeks are arriving, please send help, I'm covered in the things - !)

e: Oh and the worst case scenario I was thinking of was like a John Ringo scenario where he turns an entire novel into a conservative screed

That’s the Owner series. It’s awful, albeit kind of hilarious in that it’s full of straw men villains for the heroic objectivist protagonist to righteously kill. I don’t know what happened to Asher, but it’s amazingly bad compared to the Polity stuff.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

NoneMoreNegative posted:

Very soon to be number one of two books (which I am very much looking forward to), I haven’t seen anyone ITT mention Tchaikovsky’s other new book Cage of Souls which I read a couple weeks back and wholeheartedly enjoyed, and which is p. much definitely a single book with a nicely tied up main story.

By very soon you mean May 14th! I just restarted Children of Time and was pleasantly surprised when I checked that it’s so soon.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001

TheAardvark posted:

Finally got around to reading A Fire Upon the Deep + A Deepness In The Sky. I think I actually liked A Deepness In The Sky much more. Somehow the Tines' scenes seemed to slog on and on, while the Spiders were pretty interesting throughout.

Guessing I should skip Children of The Sky if I'm not terrible interested in another whole book about the Tines?

I’d skip it. It doesn’t really go anywhere and leaves with a sequel hook, and I’m not at all certain Vinge is still writing. Deepness is definitely my favorite of the series. If you want more good Vinge try Rainbows End or Marooned in Realtime.

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
Vinge was writing about one novel per five years, but it’s been 8 since Children. I’m curious if he’s retired or decided against continuing that story.

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Velius
Feb 27, 2001

my bony fealty posted:

For some years as an older child the novelization of Azure Bonds was my white whale. It stood on my dad's sci fi/fantasy shelf, next to the other D&D novels that I devoured - the Dragons series, the Raistlin spin-offs, weird poo poo like Spelljammer - it even had an appealing cover with a sexy warrior lady and sweet lizard man.

I think I opened that book and attempted it five or six times. Each time I'd make it a few chapters, or maybe just pages, in before abandoning it because it was so awful. I don't know why I tried so many times to read that book.

There are some truly horrific D&D novelizations out there. I think next time I visit my dad I'll pick that one up again and give it one more go.

Actually, Azure Bonds predated the game Curse of the Azure Bonds. That’s why you can encounter Alias and Dragonbait in the game. Also, why do I remember the character names of lovely D&D novels decades later when I have trouble remembering poo poo from meetings a day ago?

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