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Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
ALWAYS get the kosher meal.

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Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Magna Kaser posted:

Also lol to that story. 40rmb? Most people I know who have done that kind of stuff got upwards of 1k. What TV channel was it?

You're thinking of being a guest. He was an audience member.

When I was studying in Beijing, I had a professor who was a CCTV host and one who was a BTV host, so I was a guest on both channels. BTV paid better and had a better green room, but the host/professor was a Buddhist who limited the studio and post-taping dinner to vegetarian food. So I call it a push.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
It doesn't matter which set you start with so just do traditional since that's around you in Korea.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Simatai is a lot more fun than Mutianyu and way less crowded and a lot cooler. There's some pretty nice and cheap hotels nearby too so you can stay the night.

The next morning at dawn, I went up and davened at the Great Wall. It was pretty great! :jewish:

edit: that Wikipedia says it was closed in 2010. Is it still closed? That sucks. I was there in the fall of 2009.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Rabelais D posted:

I'd say go to Xitang and enjoy a slice of (fully commercialised) 'old town China'. It's totally the Venice of the East. Alongside a billion other water towns.

My favorite Venice of the East is Tai O on Hong Kong's Lantau Island. I went there expecting to see something like the water towns of mainland China. I got there and it's literally a shanty town with all the stilt houses made out of tin and aluminum:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Those park gym equipment things are rusty, rickety and intended for use by the elderly. Using them would be equivalent to you riding a child's horsey toy in a western park in terms of social awkwardness.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Rabelais D posted:

I think living in China tends to make people more self-conscious.

Ma On Shan is different though. It has different ones labelled for elderly and non-elderly.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Hold on I'll ask all the people in my circle that speak Guilin Hua.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Just a reminder, guys, this is the Tourism and Travel thread. Please translate your Chinese for the tourists.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Hong Kong is already full of giant blocks like that. We even have a huge estate of like 50 blocks that's called City One.

Livin' the cyberpunk lifestyle here.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Yeah considering the average floor plan there is like 300 square feet, it would not be a fun place to live. It's like the quintessential 'starter home' place.

A 'starter flat' is this weird idea invented by the absolutely property-crazy Hong Kong culture that you need to buy a home, ANY home, as soon as you can possibly afford it. So they have these tiny, miserable places that used to be somewhat affordable to people in their late 20s.

But I think I saw a 300 square foot City One place go for like 3 mil last year so bye bye to that.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Don't worry about it. You'll be vindicated when they're underwater on their mortgage and screaming and crying for the government to do something and why did they start this housing plan to add 500k new units over 10 years?! :qq:

The "renting is throwing away money/just making your landlord rich!" stuff is literally identical to what Americans (who are now underwater/foreclosed on) were saying in 2007. I'll bet they were saying the same thing in Hong Kong in 1996.

I just can't believe nobody here gets it yet. There was some new ridiculous 'luxury' project that started selling in Hung Hom on Monday and there were still lines out the door to buy. This was mere hours after the HKMA said "please for the love of god stop buying things, the Fed is ending quantitative easing and you're all going to be poor."

I'm so excited for it all to come crashing down. I'm going to bottle the sweet sweet middle class homeowners' tears because that year will be an excellent vintage.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Aren't all mortgages in Hong Kong adjustable rate though? Once QE stops and interest rates go up, there will be a lot of people totally hosed.

And I don't think that many people buying 'luxury' in Yuen Long are rich car-owning types. More like middle class people who spend 55% of their income on a mortgage. I could be wrong though.

As for ridiculous development names, my favorite one I've encountered so far is 'The Billionaire' in Kowloon City.

Actually, slightly better than that is the tower right across the street from that, 'The Billionaire Royale.'

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Those places never close.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Don't invest money in China if you're white. When poo poo goes down, you will be thrown under the bus. poo poo will go down soon. If you have to put money in a bank, put it in Hong Kong in a tbtf western bank. HSBC is being dicks right now so I like Standard Chartered or Citi.

But since you're planning to lock up money at a poo poo rate anyway, why not just do treasury bonds from whatever probably stable western country you're from? TIPS and stuff are always the best choice for conservative investments.

If you wanna get somewhat riskier and somewhat higher returns, watch blue chip SOEs on the HKSE and buy in when they drop.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Look at this jerk who doesn't know anything about investing. It's going down soon in terms of investment. I don't mean tomorrow. But I definitely mean before a 10-year bond matures.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Get her a book on Russian mothers-in-law. That's my best advice based on what you have told me: she is your mother-in-law and she once spoke Russian (and so is presumably interested in Russia?).

Try googling "Russia" "mother-in-law" "book" and "中文版". Also Taobao.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
But don't deliberate too long. You need to hurry up and get her a Chinese-language book before she goes back to Shanghai.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Shenyang is apparently a big IT outsourcing location, as featured in this famous case.

Since you're senior and have a ton of experience in major multinationals, you should have no problem. Don't listen to Arglebargle. You'll find a great supervisory and possibly executive position if you try hard enough, and the quality of life will be amazing on a six figure salary in Shenyang. Shame of it is that most luxuries are a lot more expensive in China than in the west. You'll still be able to dominate a middle class Chinese lifestyle though.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
DID SOMEBODY SAY DANDONG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22MoH8GuQ6U

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Places in China westerners have heard of:

Quzhou?????

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
I lived literally across the street from the Beijing Zoo in 2009 and didn't think it was that bad. They only have one old tymey barn-like building where they keep some big cats in literal 3' x 5' cages. The rest looked like a modern western zoo with 'enclosures.'

But yeah it is mainland China when it comes to the visitors so whaddyagonnado.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
I went from knowing gently caress-all Chinese to reading comic books and talking politics in Mandarin in about 6 months.

But I was also in a total Chinese immersion environment with seven hours of study a day and a blood pact to have my only contact with a non-Chinese language be the occasional phone call back to America. 6 months is definitely doable, but you've got to make sacrifices that are just unrealistic if you've come to China for any reason other than learning the language.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

LimburgLimbo posted:

Wait if Bloodnose studied Japanese for a year then why did he keep, for a period, coming into the Japanese chat thread and complain about us using Japanese

I did 4 semesters of Japanese in college but I've forgotten most of it. Now when I read Japanese, I read the kana all normal-like, but read kanji with Chinese readings and then guess from there.

But I complain about people using Chinese here too. It's just cliquey and makes it difficult for illiterates to join our cool kids' club.


As for my Mandarin, that's declined a ton since I moved to Hong Kong three years ago. I also dated a local girl for 20 months who would scold me for speaking Mandarin, watching anything in Mandarin, talking to a mainlander, mentioning a mainlander, or living in a Special Administrative Region of the PRC. Why did I put up with that for so long :psyduck:

But in the time right after I finished those six months in Beijing I was basically a Chinese genius and I wore changshan and quoted Confucius every couple of minutes.

edit: I was gonna type I was basically pro prc but deleted it and added that chinaboo stuff but I just saw properk's post :aaaaa:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

blinkyzero posted:

Then I discovered that pretty much everywhere you go in China numbers are in Arabic form anyway. :suicide:

The stairwells of some old buildings in Hong Kong will be labeled like 7/F in Arabic but then 八樓 (eighth floor) in Chinese. It was explained to me this happens because Chinese doesn't have a G floor.

WELL THEN WHY DOES ENGLISH HAVE ONE? I get very mad about British-style floor numbering in Hong Kong.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

synertia posted:

My village house is listed as 1/f, 2/f, 3/f with no Ground floor while every other high rise has a G floor. hosed up imo

Why are the floors numbered at all? Is the house subdivided?

peanut posted:

I heard Cantonese is just like Mandarin but louder, faster, and whinier? C/D
Flip this around and it's a big fat C.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Just go to the language thread.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
That is the exact number I paid for my place in Hung Hom :qq:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
I read about one in one of those ever so common "Chinese tourists are terrible" articles. Pretty much what you would expect. Disrespectful boisterousness, smiley peace sign pictures in front of furnaces and gas chambers, etc

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
If that's 非誠勿擾 then yes it's extremely popular and has been going for 64 years now. I've watched a few times and gotten a kick out of it. They show it on Australian TV? With subtitles or dubbing? That's interesting.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Smudgie Buggler posted:

a professional trampolinist

What?

Who pays people to... trampoline? Is that a verb? To jump on a trampoline?

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

VideoTapir posted:


When I go to the Russian area in Beijing (between Dongdaqiao and Chaoyangmen), all the Chinese people speak to me in Russian (of which I know hardly a word). If a Russian speaks to me, it's in English or Chinese. THEY can tell.

It's because you're not wearing a tracksuit.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Aero737 posted:

Check out the Llama Temple to see one of the few working temples in eastern China.

:newlol: It's the Lama Temple, not a temple to Andean camelids. Although I agree they deserve to be honored with a temple.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
You might check out the Harbor Plaza Metropolis. It's got a pretty good location in East Tsim Sha Tsui and goes between $150-200 a night.

I'm not as familiar with the island side but stuff around Central/Wanchai/Causeway Bay, unless it's a hostel type situation, is probably gonna be well over $200 a night.

Holiday Inn Express Soho looks like it's got $170-200 if you wanna be on the island side. That's not far from Sheung Wan station.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Rabelais D posted:

Also, might I say that Chengdu accented mandarin is basically my favourite. I am visiting Chengdu next month to present at a conference, anyone know the Southwest University for Nationalities 西南民族大学? Google says it is a couple of hundred metres from the airport - like I could literally get off the plane and walk to my conference?

Knowing air travel in China, you will get off the plane and have to run to the conference because you are now several hours late to present.

Never count on a Chinese plane getting you anywhere on time.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
There is a very good chance (scientifically floating in the 80-90% range) that your girlfriend's family fortune was stolen. Either literally through embezzlement or figuratively through exploitation, no-bid contracts and that kind of shady stuff. So don't feel bad about mooching. Don't feel like you need to earn a meager salary and buy a meal or two here and there. Just take as much as you can and inject it back into the economy so the money doesn't just sit in empty apartments keeping the bubble inflated.

Get 'em to pay your tuition for some ridiculous master's program plus Chinese lessons or something.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Arglebargle III posted:

I hear they do some manufacturing too. :rolleyes:

Manufacturing is literally 100% owned by Hong Kongers, Taiwanese and overseas Chinese. The only source of mainlander wealth is literal theft.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Yes it's completely normal for architects to own multiple homes in a tier-2 city :rolleyes:

Sounds like a guy who gets a lot of kickbacks and no-bid contracts to me.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Sounds like he got a pretty sweet deal from the supermarkets. Wonder how that came around.

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Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Why would you want to go overland? What are you planning to see? Flights between Saigon/Hanoi and Hong Kong are pretty cheap. Do you have a China visa yet? There's some cool stuff in the west end of Guangdong, sure, but you need to already have a visa and it is probably easier to just fly to those too.

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