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My guess is you'll probably treat Ventura County as a rest stop instead of its own destination since it's right next door to Los Angeles. But we have some good museums here, a few old timey towns, shopping, a California Visitors Center, the Reagan Library. Heads up, they don't let you get close enough to dance a jig on his grave anymore.
Check out Ojai for weird yuppie-hippie forest town or Ventura for beachside pier and food. The 1 drops you in Oxnard so you can also go hit Silver Strand for the extreme beachy-time beach zone.
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Oh and if any of you know of any good gardens, I'd love to go. I'm going to the Huntington in LA, I figure there's more than that though.
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Is it true that your town was named after a castrated bull?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_T._Oxnard
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In the LA thread people were like "You want to live in TO instead of Oxnard if you're commuting to Camarillo because traffic."
Yeah. The two cities are equidistant apart, there's a big gently caress-off mountain in between T.O. and Camarillo with no good ways to get around it if traffic is bad, and the rents are higher. But they wanted the guy to move there because traffic.
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If calabasasasass is in LA then Woodland Hills is in LA. I always figure TO is the first bastion of venturaness. (Even though I think Hidden Valley technically is? Ive never once stopped there..
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It was 100 degrees and rained for 5 minutes in the Inland Empire yesterday
Thats just condensed smog.
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If you have to be close to the beach and typical city amenities but don't need to live next to a major metropolis you might want to check out Ventura County. It'll still be pricey, but not LA pricey.
http://www.vcstar.com/story/opinion/columnists/2016/12/31/carl-morehouse-no-change-means-traffic-nightmare/96019618/
quote:For example, since the recession we have built fewer than 1,000 homes. More than 85 percent of the jobs added pay less than $20 per hour. You can’t live in Ventura County comfortably on that salary. So we now have 40,000 commuters driving into our county every workday. They are people who work in hospitals, teach in schools, sell cars at our auto malls. Those jobs do not pay enough to live here because the housing supply is so low and the cost is so high.
The flip side is that because salaries are low here, many of our residents need to commute to jobs that pay enough to allow them to live in the county. There are 80,000 commuters leaving the county every work day for jobs in Santa Barbara, Los Angeles or Orange counties.
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So I spoke with my grandma's nurse who has family all across California. She says housing is expensive no matter were you are at.
She said a family member spent $1,000,000 on a townhouse...in Anaheim...
Like I bet theres still cheap housing in California City or Chowchilla. (Like most people I have never been to either of those places.)
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San Diego ... without a car
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Ventura county would more viable than LA or San Francisco. But you're still looking at 800 a month for rent at a minimum if you wanted to be within a 15 minute drive to the beach.
Theres bound to be something cheap in the cultural waste where OC meets SD?
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Okay guys, moving to Cali from NY and just landed a job in Malibu. Where do I live?
The obvious answer is Hawaiian Gardens.
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When/if people see stuff online about how bad traffic is out here, do people think it's an exaggeration?
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It is the turn of the season, when the hills are painted with beautiful shades of orange, yellow, and red, after some damnfool drops a match.
I am totally all "down with smokers" but this might have been a worse plague?
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/10/pge-power-lines-linked-to-wine-country-fires/
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/PG-E-power-lines-explored-as-possible-cause-of-12270749.php
http://abc7news.com/pg-e-source-believes-downed-power-lines-blown-transformers-started-deadly-north-bay-fires/2521710/
quote:The lineman wants to remain anonymous, but the I-Team reviewed emergency dispatch recordings and in the early moments of this disaster, several calls came in about power lines falling in the high winds and transformers exploding.
... again.
http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_705c25ac-2ada-11e7-83a7-1f7ce7d36295.html
quote:More Butte Fire fines levied on PG&E
CPUC found in its investigation that PG&E did not safely maintain its 12-kilovolt overhead electric conductor in a safe and proper manner, resulting in an $8 million fine, the maximum for any one citation issued under the CPUC’s rules and regulations.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-puc-fine-20150409-story.html
quote:California regulators approved a record $1.6-billion fine against the state's largest utility, Pacific Gas & Electric Co., even as the new president of the Public Utilities Commission publicly questioned the company’s commitment to safety.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/PG-E-agrees-to-86-5m-penalty-in-San-Bruno-11036666.php
quote:PG&E agrees to $86.5m penalty in San Bruno fallout; bills to drop
PG&E will not be permitted to pass on to its customers any of the costs associated with the agreement. Those costs must instead come out of the company’s earnings. The utility, California’s largest, made $1.4 billion in profits last year.
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(crossposting)
The Ventura fire (burning right now) has become a pretty major incident.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-school-fire-20171204-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-evacuation-ventura-county-fire-20171204-story.html
quote:7,700 homes evacuated in Ventura as fire rages; traffic jams as residents flee
The fast-moving wildfire above Ventura forced thousands to evacuate their homes early Tuesday.
Authorities said more than 7,700 homes were under the evacuation order. Some homes have burned in the city of Ventura.
An army of firefighters set up strike teams along foothill communities in Ventura and Santa Paula as the Thomas fire, pushed by 50-mph winds, inched close to homes.
The evacuations caused traffic jams on several streets as residents fled. At the same time, firefighters were rushing into the hills to set up defenses.
Mandatory evacuations have been ordered for people who live in the following areas:
East of Dickenson Road, north of Monte Vista Drive along Highway 150 and south of Thomas Aquinas College to the area of Bridge Road.
West of Dickenson Road to Atmore Road, north of Foothill Road and west to Wheeler Canyon Road
North of Highway 150 from Koenigstein Road west to the Dennison Grade, north to Reeves Road, east to McAndrew Road and north to Grand Avenue.
North of Foothill Road west to Wheeler Canyon Road, north to Canada Larga Road and east to Barlow Canyon Road
In Ventura south of Highway 33, east of Main St, north of Foothill Road and Hall Canyon Road and west of Canada Larga Road
Here are the evacuation shelters:
Ventura County Fairgrounds at Miners Building (includes an animal shelter for all types of animals): 10 W Harbor Blvd, Ventura, 93001
Nordhoff High School:1401 Maricopa Hwy, Ojai, 93023
School closures:
Ventura Unified School District: All schools will be closed Tuesday.
Hueneme Elementary School District: All schools will be closed Tuesday.
Santa Paula School Districts: All schools will be closed Tuesday.
Road closures:
Soft closures (Residents will need to provide identification to access their homes.):
Wheeler Canyon Road at Foothill Road
Highway 150 at Reeves Road
Highway 150 at Santa Barbara St.
Hard closures (Only public safety personnel will have access.):
Highway 150 at Sisar Road
Highway 150 at Stonegate Road
Wells Road at Foothill Road
Peck Road at Foothill Road
quote:More than 150 structures destroyed, 27,000 people evacuated in raging Ventura wildfire
A fast-moving, wind-fueled wildfire swept into the city of Ventura early Tuesday, burning 31,000 acres, destroying homes and forcing 27,000 people to evacuate.
At least 150 structures — including at least one large apartment complex — were consumed by flames, and many more were threatened as the fire crept about a quarter-mile away from City Hall.
But the destruction appears to be much worse as the sun rose Tuesday, revealing fire sweeping through whole neighborhoods in the hills above Ventura.
Engulfed in flames, the Hawaiian Village Apartments collapsed about 4 a.m. Water gushed down North Laurel Street as firefighters worked to put out the flaming complex and residents watched, holding cameras and cellphones. The sound of bursting propane tanks filled the air.
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"The prospects for containment are not good,” Ventura County Fire Chief Mark Lorenzen said at a news conference. “Really, Mother Nature is going to decide.”
The Thomas fire had burned 31,000 acres, but fire officials expected it would rip through at least 50,000 acres in the mountains between Santa Paula and Ventura. By 5:20 a.m. Tuesday, winds were pushing flames toward Ojai Valley, authorities said.
“The fire is actively burning in the city of Ventura and there are homes and buildings actively burning at this time,” Ventura County Sheriff Sgt. Eric Buschow said.
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The Vista Del Mar hospital, a psychiatric facility, was evacuated, authorities said. The area around a Ventura landmark called Two Trees has also burned.
Ventura County fire officials reported Monday night that one person was killed in a traffic accident on a road closed due to the Thomas fire. But at about 6 a.m. Tuesday, authorities said no fatalities were confirmed — although one dog had died, Quirarte said.
At least 1,000 homes in Ventura, Santa Paula and Ojai were evacuated.
More than 260,000 customers in Ventura and Santa Barbara counties were without power. As of 12:30 a.m. Tuesday, a Southern California Edison spokeswoman did not know when power would be restored.
Thats about a 1/4 of the population of Ventura being evacuated.
I blame the catholics.
quote:The blaze started about 6:25 p.m. Monday in the foothills near Thomas Aquinas College in Santa Paula
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I think it's a guess because lack of maintenance
Yes and those should be criminal charges, including the felonies for the deaths, brought against the entire c-level team and board for deciding to not "waste money" on safety. (Since the fines are trivial and they roll them into fee increases anyway.)
"Nationalize it" is not crazy.
History check: the organized attack against Davis (garbage that he might have been aside) happened concurrently with Enrons rigging, the fake "rolling brownouts", and the post-deregulation robbery:
https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=California%20electricity%20crisis&nojs=1
quote:The California electricity crisis, also known as the Western U.S. Energy Crisis of 2000 and 2001, was a situation in which the United States state of California had a shortage of electricity supply caused by market manipulations, illegal[5] shutdowns of pipelines by the Texas energy consortium Enron, and capped retail electricity prices.[6] The state suffered from multiple large-scale blackouts, one of the state's largest energy companies collapsed, and the economic fall-out greatly harmed Governor Gray Davis' standing.
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As the FERC report concluded, market manipulation was only possible as a result of the complex market design produced by the process of partial deregulation. Manipulation strategies were known to energy traders under names such as "Fat Boy", "Death Star", "Forney Perpetual Loop", "Ricochet", "Ping Pong", "Black Widow", "Big Foot", "Red Congo", "Cong Catcher" and "Get Shorty".[11] Some of these have been extensively investigated and described in reports.
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When the electricity demand in California rose, utilities had no financial incentive to expand production, as long term prices were capped. Instead, wholesalers such as Enron manipulated the market to force utility companies into daily spot markets for short term gain. For example, in a market technique known as megawatt laundering, wholesalers bought up electricity in California at below cap price to sell out of state, creating shortages. In some instances, wholesalers scheduled power transmission to create congestion and drive up prices.
After extensive investigation, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) substantially agreed in 2003:[19]
The major flaw of the deregulation scheme was that it was an incomplete deregulation – that is, "middleman" utility distributors continued to be regulated and forced to charge fixed prices, and continued to have limited choice in terms of electricity providers. Other, less catastrophic energy deregulation schemes, such as Pennsylvania's, have generally deregulated utilities but kept the providers regulated, or deregulated both.
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On December 15, 2000, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) rejected California's request for a wholesale rate cap for California, instead approving a "flexible cap" plan of $150 per megawatt-hour. That day, California was paying wholesale prices of over $1400 per megawatt-hour, compared to $45 per megawatt-hour average one year earlier.
On January 17, 2001, the electricity crisis caused Governor Gray Davis to declare a state of emergency. Speculators, led by Enron Corporation, were collectively making large profits while the state teetered on the edge for weeks, and finally suffered rolling blackouts on January 17 & 18. Davis was forced to step in to buy power at highly unfavorable terms on the open market, since the California power companies were technically bankrupt and had no buying power. The resulting massive long term debt obligations added to the state budget crisis and led to widespread grumbling about Davis' administration. quote:Perhaps the heaviest point of controversy is the question of blame for the California electricity crisis. Former Governor Gray Davis's critics often charge that he did not respond properly to the crisis, while his defenders attribute the crisis to the power trading fraud and corporate accounting scandals and say that Davis did all he could considering the fact that the federal government, not states, regulate interstate power commerce.
In a speech at UCLA on August 19, 2003, Davis apologized for being slow to act during the energy crisis, but then forcefully attacked the Houston-based energy suppliers: "I inherited the energy deregulation scheme which put us all at the mercy of the big energy producers. We got no help from the Federal government. In fact, when I was fighting Enron and the other energy companies, these same companies were sitting down with Vice President Cheney to draft a national energy strategy."
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On May 17, 2001, future Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Los Angeles Mayor Republican Richard Riordan met with Enron CEO Kenneth Lay at the Peninsula Beverly Hills Hotel in Beverly Hills. The meeting was convened for Enron to present its "Comprehensive Solution for California," which called for an end to federal and state investigations into Enron's role in the California energy crisis.[32] [33] [34]
On October 7, 2003, Schwarzenegger was elected Governor of California to replace Davis.
(Bolding to emphasize that the state-wide damage and losses were planned by Enron and Cheney in part to place a new Republican-friendly Governor in California.)
Deregulation kills. (Even though the industry says "its not deregulated enough".
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-electricity-capacity/
quote:Californians are paying billions for power they don't need
We're using less electricity. Some power plants have even shut down. So why do state officials keep approving new ones?
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Lawmakers opened the state’s power business to competition in 1998, so individual utilities would no longer enjoy a monopoly on producing and selling electricity. The goal was to keep prices lower while ensuring adequate supply. Utilities and their customers were allowed to buy electricity from new, unregulated operators called independent power producers.
The law created a new exchange where electricity could be bought and sold, like other commodities such as oil or wheat.
Everyone would benefit. Or so the thinking went.
In reality, instead of lowering electricity costs and spurring innovation, market manipulation by Enron Corp. and other energy traders helped send electricity prices soaring.
quote:The missteps of regulators have been compounded by the self-interest of California utilities, Lynch and other critics contend. Utilities are typically guaranteed a rate of return of about 10.5% for the cost of each new plant regardless of need. This creates a major incentive to keep construction going: Utilities can make more money building new plants than by buying and reselling readily available electricity from existing plants run by competitors. FRINGE fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jan 13, 2018
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I just wanted to make it clear that there is already legal precedent in California for utilities' shareholders bearing the costs of these types of liabilities, and not rate payers.
Why would they not? From there perspective there is no real risk. Worst case they take a severance payout and get a new job.
There needs to be severe punishments, leveled against human executives, for corporate malfeasance of these types.
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