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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

thehumandignity posted:

GMG's site gives a release date of the 12th, so mystery solved, I guess. Time to play the "pirating software I paid for" game.

e: Okay no I'm not, that's too much effort. But I should.

jtm33 posted:

What's the bet that they don't get keys until the 12th. The page on GMG says the release date is the 12th for some reason.


Well, they're a British company, and unless you're in the US, the game doesn't release until the 12th, so its no surprise they don't have keys yet.



Necroneocon posted:

It's not a logic leap and I don't really care when I get my key personally as i'm doing work, but you took a huge leap yourself when you made that post. All i'm saying is people make fun of annoyed customers all the time but never the businesses or corporations, nor do they blame them. :shrug: In a normal world people would be saying GMG, Amazon and Gamersgate are pretty lame for not sending the keys on time but no one is saying that. It's just "lol look at these posts on these forums."


Hate and bile are regular things on the internet. Anonymity is a hell of a thing. I'd say the internet is made up of 50% hate and bile and 50% pornography.

Oh I'm not disputing that if they're legit late delivering keys, that's pretty lame. But screaming and hollering and "I'LL NEVER SHOP HERE AGAIN" "I'M GONNA HAVE MY BANK DO A CHARGEBACK BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ROBBED!" seems a bit disproportionate; at least until they've tried more reasonable channels of resolution like contacting GMG support, perhaps 2K support, etc.

jivjov fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Jul 9, 2013

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Necroneocon
May 12, 2009

by Shine
Amazon and Gamersgate don't have the keys either.

Pancakes by Mail
Oct 21, 2010

Many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Goaltender Carey Price was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice.

Necroneocon posted:

It's not a logic leap and I don't really care when I get my key personally as i'm doing work, but you took a huge leap yourself when you made that post. All i'm saying is people make fun of annoyed customers all the time but never the businesses or corporations, nor do they blame them. :shrug: In a normal world people would be saying GMG, Amazon and Gamersgate are pretty lame for not sending the keys on time but no one is saying that. It's just "lol look at these posts on these forums."

Corporations take a lot of (entirely justified) heat from Americans literally all the time. Maybe not in the context of this specific release of a videogame, but I'd say businesses get more flak than "those wacky customers" ever do. Some poor bastard at the Better Business Bureau probably has to sort through reams and reams every day, and that's just people who specifically went out of their way to actually lodge a formal complaint.

Anyway Civ 5 everybody

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler

dreffen posted:

Boy I bet that makes it okay to do!

I should know better than to open up this :can: but from what standpoint could that really be considered bad?

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
I'm just a little bit annoyed that I'd rather be playing the game now than later. But I can take it.

I remembered when I ordered the boxed G&K at launch on Amazon with same-day-shipping. I didn't get it until that evening, though the case itself looked nice and had a fold-out tech tree.

Murodese
Mar 6, 2007

Think you've got what it takes?
We're looking for fine Men & Women to help Protect the Australian Way of Life.

Become part of the Legend. Defence Jobs.
Is it possible for an American to gift you the DLC and activate it via VPN, still?

brocretin
Nov 15, 2012

yo yo yo i loves virgins

Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

I would still love to read GMG privileged forum posts snippets here while I wait.

Ask and you shall recieve! :)

horrible people parade posted:

yes this is the 9th of july, where steam users are getting the game already, next time if they didn't intend to give it to us ON TIME, please inform us maybe say AHEAD OF TIME? that way i can make my purchase on steam.

Like I said, my time = money.

even if they offered me games for 1$ iam never buying from them again like most people who has jobs and don't mind paying full price for games

That is the most bloody ridiculous rear end kissing excuse I've ever read, FINE don't care that you don't get the product you paid for when it's suposed to be released (YES IT IS RELEASED, NOW, NOT IN 3 HOURS, NOW), WE do, so you can *expletive deleted* right off and stop being the white knight of GMG we rightly don't give a crap about what you think is "okay", it's like going at some bloody restaurant and wait for 3 hours for your meal, and then some bloody idiot tell you "you'll get it EVENTUALLY", I didn't pay to get it eventually.

Been waiting for an hour, this is unacceptable. Definitely won't buy from GmG again unless a rep comes down here to tell us what's up and own up for their mistake.

I'm just preoccupying my time by watching Yugioh Abridged Marik's Evil Council with my brother. We are all just way too anxious.

Really tired of the GMG butt kissers here. I paid for a product, they have my money, I expect service. The end. That's how it works.

brocretin fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jul 9, 2013

jtm33
Mar 23, 2010
I'm not in the US so I guess I'll just shut up and wait then. I paid in USD though, so I wonder if I'll get the US release date.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

ghetto wormhole posted:

I should know better than to open up this :can: but from what standpoint could that really be considered bad?

The mods are not fan of piracy chat in any form specifically because it's so controversial so let's cut this line of discussion here.

Necroneocon
May 12, 2009

by Shine

jivjov posted:

Well, they're a British company, and unless you're in the US, the game doesn't release until the 12th, so its no surprise they don't have keys yet.


Oh I'm not disputing that if they're legit late delivering keys, that's pretty lame. But screaming and hollering and "I'LL NEVER SHOP HERE AGAIN" "I'M GONNA HAVE MY BANK DO A CHARGEBACK BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ROBBED!" seems a bit disproportionate; at least until they've tried more reasonable channels of resolution like contacting GMG support, perhaps 2K support, etc.

The bank chargeback is a bit too much, so is talking about being robbed or all that other melodramatic stuff, but "i'll never shop here again" is pretty legitimate. It's their money after all.

People are just frustrated. I don't know, I read the FREEP thread in D&D so maybe i'm just use to how people act on the internet in general.

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

dreffen posted:


Boy I bet that makes it okay to do!

e: RagnarokAngel did it better

Paying the advertised price for something to people licensed to distribute it does make it okay to possess, yes. It is too much effort compared to waiting an extra three days, though.

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

brocretin posted:

Ask and you shall recieve! :)

Oh god this is glorious. glorious

Underwhelmed
Mar 7, 2004


Nap Ghost

brocretin posted:

Ask and you shall recieve! :)

The worth of a Person's time is almost universally inversely proportionate to the frequency at which they remind you how important it is.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Necroneocon posted:

The bank chargeback is a bit too much, so is talking about being robbed or all that other melodramatic stuff, but "i'll never shop here again" is pretty legitimate. It's their money after all.

People are just frustrated. I don't know, I read the FREEP thread in D&D so maybe i'm just use to how people act on the internet in general.

Oh yeah, I myself have stopped shopping at various places due to poor treatment, but there's a world of difference between "well, I've been burned, so I'm not coming back" and the frothing rage on the GMG forums.

Underwhelmed posted:

The worth of a Person's time is almost universally inversely proportionate to the frequency at which they remind you how important it is.

Oh my god, this is amazing and I love you.

brocretin
Nov 15, 2012

yo yo yo i loves virgins

Underwhelmed posted:

The worth of a Person's time is almost universally inversely proportionate to the frequency at which they remind you how important it is.

I'm living proof of that, mining the internet for silly poo poo like this at this time of the night.

quote:

I think this'll be my last time ordering something like this from somewhere other than steam. I'm not saying that it's their fault about the keys, but the fact is I could have gotten in a few hours of playtime tonight, and instead I saved a couple bucks and I get zero gameplay tonight. I know it's only one day, but darn it, my time is worth more than a dollar an hour. Steam from here on out.

The thing that amazes me is just how important it is to these kids that they have what they want right now.

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

Rascyc posted:

Yeah it's pretty stupid, I just made 8 archers in 10 turns thanks to Terracotta.

Of course I have like -9 GPT now. :V

But then I made a +10 GPT (or it's pseudo GPT) trade route so that's that! Sea routes seem much more profitable than land based caravans at the start. Maybe roads fixes that.

drat this seems really exploitable. I wonder how long before it gets nerfed.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

RagnarokAngel posted:

Nobody is "dropping the ball". Steam very often doesnt release games until noon Pacfic time, this is an exception rather than a rule, and many companies dont email their keys out at Midnight Eastern time. This is being very presumptious and they haven't voided their agreement until it's 12:00 on the 10th.

I'm assuming that Steam isn't acting as a key broker - they'll generate keys and handle their redemption (and manage sales to individual consumers), but it's 2K who requests additional keys for wholesale to third party distributors. Therefore, the responsibility lies on 2K to ensure that the keys they requested for resale are delivered. If somehow Steam is acting as the broker (which seems like a bad idea from multiple standpoints to me), then it's still not GMG's fault, it's Steam's fault for not delivering keys in preparation for when the game goes live (unless it's 2K's fault again for not specifying to send it to resellers a little early).

If somehow the keys have already been sent but simply not processed to allow sending to customers, then I wonder what the hell is going on that multiple companies whose entire business revolves around reselling digital products and their associated keys cannot automate the process and have it done within the hour. Maybe one company hosed up, but Occam's Razor says the problem is elsewhere when it's two or three.

Necroneocon
May 12, 2009

by Shine

jivjov posted:

Oh yeah, I myself have stopped shopping at various places due to poor treatment, but there's a world of difference between "well, I've been burned, so I'm not coming back" and the frothing rage on the GMG forums.

Anonymity is a helluva thing. That plus frustration = posts like the yu-gi-oh guy. But overall it shows an example of why Steam is the best platform and that these other companies will probably lose a few customers over this.

Maybe it's a Gaben trick to rule PC gaming...

HappyHelmet
Apr 9, 2003

Hail to the king baby!
Grimey Drawer

jtm33 posted:

I'm not in the US so I guess I'll just shut up and wait then. I paid in USD though, so I wonder if I'll get the US release date.

Nah, I paid the same way, and tried launching the game through the store page which says "play BNW now." However, it just loads into G&K. Those of us in other countries just have to wait.


Post more about the game people! I'm living vicariously through you people back in the states until I can get the game :(.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



jivjov posted:

Well, they're a British company, and unless you're in the US, the game doesn't release until the 12th, so its no surprise they don't have keys yet.



Personally, I will never preorder from GMG again, but that's not to say I wouldnt buy games from them if it was a deal. Why preorder if I didnt want to play on release though?

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Skyl3lazer posted:



Personally, I will never preorder from GMG again, but that's not to say I wouldnt buy games from them if it was a deal. Why preorder if I didnt want to play on release though?

Saving $7 more bucks mostly. I coulda preordered from Steam.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
I just feel bad that I wasted my BNW-Playing-Time watching Kyoryuger and helping my housemate find some poo poo in Banjo Tooie. I have to get up in 4 and a half hours and I'm actually considering starting up Civ V.

limeincoke
Jul 3, 2005

Heroes of the Storm
Goon Tournament Champion
Good lord I suck at this game now. How the hell do you get cities? Even with 5 + huts (Shoshone) and good starting locations, I'm hitting turn 50 still with 1 city, a time when I usually have at least 4. drat.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Skyl3lazer posted:

Why preorder if I didnt want to play on release though?

Obviously because you wanted to give them a no‐interest loan. :pseudo:

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

Skyl3lazer posted:



Personally, I will never preorder from GMG again, but that's not to say I wouldnt buy games from them if it was a deal. Why preorder if I didnt want to play on release though?

I figured this might happen with GMG, and my reasoning was that the 10+25% discounts wouldn't be available after the release date.

brocretin
Nov 15, 2012

yo yo yo i loves virgins

quote:

I got 3 friends to buy from GMG with me. This sucks. I don't care about Gamersgate, Amazon, or whoever. GMG should have a rep on the forums explaining why our pre-order was worthless.

Emphasis mine.

some fucker called kenuty i guess he's a professional streamer or some bullshit posted:

But do you have a nice car? - mercedes benz
Are you good looking? -facebook
Is your spouse good looking? - asian girlfriend
Do you have a nice house? - 2 million dollra house
Do you have people that love you for who you are?....etc etc etc - family friends, and my followers

Related via flamewar. I just thought this was an entertaining insight into this one person's outlook on life.

OH NO posted:

THIS IS THE WORST DAY OF MY LIFE

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



RagnarokAngel posted:

Saving $7 more bucks mostly. I coulda preordered from Steam.

Say we don't get our keys in the US till the 12th. Is that 7 bucks worth not getting to play it for 3 days after release? Personally if I dont have a key by about 1pm est tomorrow I'll probably just get a refund from them and get it on steam. It's not a huge deal but I'm willing to pay the money to actually play the game at launch.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Again, stop assuming the release date will be the 12th. There were big banners advertising the 9th release date. It is in fact, still the 9th. It is barely 2 hours into the 9th. If you live on the west coast it isn't even the 9th.

The fact that their website is bugged and has a blank release date doesn't confirm or deny anything. This chicken little stuff is maddening.

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

Skyl3lazer posted:

Say we don't get our keys in the US till the 12th. Is that 7 bucks worth not getting to play it for 3 days after release? Personally if I dont have a key by about 1pm est tomorrow I'll probably just get a refund from them and get it on steam. It's not a huge deal but I'm willing to pay the money to actually play the game at launch.

More power to you; I'm just frugal as hell. I'll do something else in the meantime.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



RagnarokAngel posted:

Again, stop assuming the release date will be the 12th. There were big banners advertising the 9th release date. It is in fact, still the 9th. It is barely 2 hours into the 9th. If you live on the west coast it isn't even the 9th.

I'm not assuming, it's a hypothetical. The point is that there's a breakpoint where I would have just payed more to get it direct from steam to be able to play it at launch. I personally do not preorder games that I don't plan on playing at launch.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
I won't ever not be amazed at the entitlement of some people. The idea of having a big meltdown over a code being, what, like two hours delayed on a midnight release is nuts.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
The point at which I realized that midnight releases were rather pointless was the time I drove an hour to my hometown Gamestop to pick up Halo 4 and by the time I got it back to my college dorm I barely wanted to play longer than 10 minutes before hitting the sack.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
I don't know if this is common knowledge yet, but a lot of the founder beliefs took a nerf. Ceremonial Burial is 1 happiness for every two cities following the religion.

e: also you can see Iron at Bronze Working now and Lighthouses give +1 production per sea resource. Lots of neat changes to the early game, it seems.
e2: I'm dumb, Tithe is the same as it was, but Ceremonial Burial is changed.

fantastic in plastic fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jul 9, 2013

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
I think that's what Tithe always was?

Edit: Oh wait it was 2 wasn't it? I'm dumb.

TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Skyl3lazer posted:

Say we don't get our keys in the US till the 12th. Is that 7 bucks worth not getting to play it for 3 days after release?

It probably is, if that's what it was advertised as, but when I ordered it it had the big "July 9th" banner over it that some people are posting screenshots of now. Now, the game's page on the GMG store says 12th. That isn't cool. It's not a big deal to me, certainly not enough to cancel the charge, or swear off buying from GMG again, or even enough to complain to them, but it isn't okay.

Fat and Useless
Sep 3, 2011

Not Thin and Useful

Back my day I had to actually go to stores to get my games on release day and even then they'd tell me to come back at 3pm after they get them in, this is all assuming I got the preorder in, no preorder no game for a week.

drat kids and their interwebs don't know how good they have it.

But seriously this happens all the time with GMG how do people not see it coming...

Fat and Useless fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jul 9, 2013

brocretin
Nov 15, 2012

yo yo yo i loves virgins

a person on the civ v steam hub posted:

Venice has no settlers
For some reason Venice has no settlers after building your first city.
I double checked with Rome who do have settlers, I have not checked any other Civs yet,

My apologies for spamming up the thread with this stuff, there's just some funny poo poo going round on the Steam community hub.

Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

RagnarokAngel posted:

I think that's what Tithe always was?

Edit: Oh wait it was 2 wasn't it? I'm dumb.

Nope, tithe was 1 gold/4 followers.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

thehumandignity posted:

It probably is, if that's what it was advertised as, but when I ordered it it had the big "July 9th" banner over it that some people are posting screenshots of now. Now, the game's page on the GMG store says 12th. That isn't cool. It's not a big deal to me, certainly not enough to cancel the charge, or swear off buying from GMG again, or even enough to complain to them, but it isn't okay.

I’m still seeing the big 9th July banner.

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TacticalUrbanHomo
Aug 17, 2011

by Lowtax

Odobenidae posted:

Nope, tithe was 1 gold/4 followers.

It was originally 2 but it got nerfed a long time ago, not a new change to BNW.

Platystemon posted:

I’m still seeing the big 9th July banner.

That's what I saw, too, when I ordered it. Now it's gone and there's just this.



Not worth throwing a riot. Also not something I am going to fondly remember in the future.

TacticalUrbanHomo fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Jul 9, 2013

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