A return of Fascism in Europe?

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Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

ThirdPartyView posted:

How strong is the National Front in France as a political party/influence?

Politically they don't get much representation nationally thanks to the parliamentary system being a two round system per seats, but they are gaining influence and their rhetoric is depressingly common.

The mainstream right is trying to ape them in every way possible, by being anti immigrants, anti Muslims, anti gay, (they are actually more anti gay than the FN, at least they care about it a lot more) and the mainstream left doesn't want to repeal and didn't oppose some of the anti Muslim laws (veil bans in schools and full veil bans) and also deport Romas like the right did, which the FN advocates (while blaming the PS and UMP for letting Romas in the country).

# ¿ Aug 10, 2013 19:53

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 02:41

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

A French air force member has been accused of plotting an attack against a mosque.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/12/french-air-force-officer-mosque-attack

quote:

A French air force officer said to hold extreme rightwing views has been accused of planning to attack a mosque as worshippers celebrated the end of Ramadan.

The 23-year-old sergeant, who has not been named, was detained by police at an airbase at Mont Verdun near Lyon last Wednesday and remanded in custody.

After four days of questioning by the intelligence services, he appeared before a court in Paris at the weekend and was put under formal investigation for being in "possession of ammunition linked to a terrorist enterprise" against a place of worship.

According to a police source, the suspect admitted he was planning to fire shots at the Minguettes mosque at V�nissieux, a suburb of Lyon, last Thursday (8 August) at the end of the Muslim holy month.

Severe rise of Islamophobia:

quote:

A report published in July recorded 108 attacks � including the use of violence, fire and damage � compared with 80 reported in the first half of 2012. The number of threats and insults rose from 63 in 2012 to 84 this year.

But hey, Hollande has to go after those sweet, sweet Le Pen votes:

quote:

The French government is considering legislation to ban headscarves and other religious symbols in universities and higher education establishments. A similar ban already covers state schools.

Edit: apparently it's from the High Council of Integration (responsible for the state schools ban on religious garb), and not from the government itself, still it's pretty loving mental.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Aug 12, 2013

# ¿ Aug 12, 2013 20:21

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Soviet Commubot posted:

On a more serious note, I'm pretty worried the FN will make a strong showing in this spring's municipal elections in France. They'd never get any seats in my town or anything but with every election cycle they aren't crushed everywhere they lose a bit of the stigma they've always had and eventually I'm certain the UMP will break the the cordon sanitaire in order to keep themselves from being squeezed out by a growing FN and a rightward drifting PS.

I'm hoping the fat fascist piece of poo poo in my town doesn't get elected, this is the 93 so pretty left wing but leftists don't vote during municipal elections it seems.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2013 14:40

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Don't people actually like American culture? Can't win elections on that I'm afraid.

# ¿ Oct 7, 2013 09:11

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

TheIllestVillain posted:

The comments on that article are something else, but this one stood out the most:

What loving world is this nut living in? 0% crime?

Right off the bat "France was fine before immigrants came" oh that must be a long rear end time ago considering the continuous waves of immigration since at least the 19th century.

# ¿ Dec 16, 2013 11:20

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Napoleon also reinstated slavery in the French colonies after it had been abolished in 1794 (Robespierre was a notable opponent of slavery) and tried to reconquer Haiti after its independence using the military.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2014 16:47

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

I thought France was accepting of homosexuality up until we actually legalized same sex marriage so yeah. (I actually didn't watch the Tour de France this year because of all the bigots on the road, not that I watch much of it anyway, kind of glad I didn't see it in Corsica but I think that's just people there are just too busy mucking up bilingual road signs to do anything meaningful about it )

cargo cult posted:

Yeah and where would you be without the Gallic Wars?

Romanes eunt domus.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jan 8, 2014

# ¿ Jan 8, 2014 22:11

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Silver2195 posted:

Fascism in Europe is only 70 years dead, though. Less if you count Franco as a fascist.

I haven't followed too closely but is there a major far right party in Spain or Portugal?

# ¿ Jan 23, 2014 18:13

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

KoldPT posted:

I don't think there's anything in Spain, and there's definitely nothing over here of any relevance.

Do you think this is a result of Franco/Salazar's legacies?

# ¿ Jan 23, 2014 19:12

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

I don't have much insight about Cyprus but they're pretty much a tax haven, no? Is this compatible with communism or socialism in any way?

# ¿ Feb 3, 2014 15:49

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

ekuNNN posted:

http://www.france24.com/en/20140304-french-national-front-ally-would-concentrate-gypsies-camps/

He's not even the first one to say something like that, UMP members said poo poo like this as well. Interior Minister Valls of the PS said that Romas should be expulsed and aren't well integrated.
Basically it's open season on Romas in France.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2014 12:26

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

So yeah, anyway to migrate to Canada before 2017? :suicide:

Absention was high too, 35%

# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 08:56

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Looking at results in my town, the right wing mayor was reelected with 52% of the votes, not too shocking (last time he was reelected with over 60% of the votes), but the PS got 28% of the votes versus 18% for the Left Front candidate :psyduck:

(there was only three candidates)

You'd think people would rather vote for the Left Front instead of the PS but what do I know. Also my grandma participated in the election of her small Corsican village and lost. Sorry grandma.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Mar 24, 2014

# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 11:35

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

My town used to be communist back in the eighties-early nineties. And the Left Front isn't exactly minor considering it includes the Communist Party.

I don't know you'd think leftists would know better than to vote for the PS again, and there was only three candidates so it's not like they could have voted for the FN.

# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 11:51

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Soviet Commubot posted:

A lot of the people who vote PS aren't actually leftists.

I guess you're right

God this is depressing.

# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 12:35

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Skeleton Jelly posted:

Yeah I don't think you've got anywhere in the world where things are actually going uphill. Where it's not already a neoliberal free-for-all shitfest, it sure is on its way there. If current trends continue, within some decades even the Nordic model is likely to be in the shitter.

You can't escape the American kool aid and Canada is prolly one of the better options in that regard.

Pretty much, I'm not naive, I know Canada isn't Utopia, but it's probably still going to be a hell of a lot better than Western Europe in a few years.

I'm not saying I'm going to move (or that I even can, considering my medical situation and the fact that I'm a lowly undergraduate student), but things are going so bad that I can't help but contemplate it. :smith:

# ¿ Mar 24, 2014 22:38

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Electronico6 posted:

"The Switzerland of Europe".

Going back to the French elections. Here's the story of an immigrant running for election under the ticket of party against immigrants running in French elections. Lu�s da Silva Canedo is a Portuguese immigrant living in France for 30 years,never applied for dual nationality, and is running on the list of the city of Perpignan. He is one of 30 Portuguese of single nationality on the lists of National Front.

Of course NF position on immigrants running for elections is changing.(eventually).

Marine le Pen.

(http://expresso.sapo.pt/eu-portugues-admirador-de-marine-le-pen-diz-um-candidato-pela-fn-em-franca=f862392)

This kinda of position seems to be weirdly common among Portuguese immigrants in France, which is a pretty big minority in France. Of course, most seem to forget that Portuguese immigrants were always seen as scum who lived in lovely slums, during the mass immigration during the 60/70's. I wager that if we take a peek at the French media of 40 years ago where going to find a lot of stuff about how "the police can't go to the centre of towns due to those gens des baraques!." Guess we exported our fascists to France.

This also happened in Switzerland, where Portuguese immigrants also lived in slums and were considered sub-human, when the referendum for tightening of border rules came up, we had a lot of long time Portuguese immigrants screaming of the top of their lungs "WE FULL! GO AWAY!!".

As a Pure-Blooded French ok I'm half a greaseball, I demand that your lot be shipped back to Lisbon :colbert:

But seriously gently caress this country :sigh:

# ¿ Mar 30, 2014 10:27

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Valls? Goddamn this is a loving nightmare.

Edit: he truly is the new Prime Minister hahahahaha :stonk:

Reminder that Valls was the right most participant in the Socialist presidential primaries, got the least amount of votes (okay besides the Non-socialist dude), he calls himself is a Blairist, as Interior Minister continued the ill treatment of Romas.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 31, 2014

# ¿ Mar 31, 2014 19:39

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Bob le Moche posted:

This was posted in the Ukraine thread:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/world/europe/ukraine-workers-take-to-streets-to-calm-Mariupol.html?hp&_r=0

Steelworkers patrolling alongside police officers when their oligarch boss orders them to seize the city from separatists.
If I think stuff like this is kind of gross and scary does it mean I've been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda?

The pro-Russians aren't combining class collaboration with strong nationalism?

It's fine and dandy being grossed out by Right Sector, Svoboda and the likes, but it's not like the other side is any better on that front.

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 10:13 on May 16, 2014

# ¿ May 16, 2014 10:06

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

SALT CURES HAM posted:

...expand on this for those of us not in England?

UKIP is winning the european elections there, I think.

# ¿ May 23, 2014 00:37

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

I want to apologize on behalf of my fascistic shithole of a country.

# ¿ May 25, 2014 23:08

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Rutkowski posted:

I've gotten several calls tonight from relatives. They're asking me about possible countries to move to where fascism isn't growing.

I wish I had a good answer to give them.

Luxembourg

# ¿ May 25, 2014 23:15

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

There wasn't a common French culture in France as well.

# ¿ May 26, 2014 11:55

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

The fact that Lepen has an extreme Pro-israel stance is probably not helping things, though.

Also, many Muslims in France aren't immigrants, you mean "immigrant descended".

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 13:36 on May 26, 2014

# ¿ May 26, 2014 13:32

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

My bad, then.

She does try to aggressively meet with Israeli politicians though, when she was at the UN she managed to meet one.

# ¿ May 26, 2014 15:38

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Interesting choice of colours for the Polish forced workers badge :tinfoil:

# ¿ May 27, 2014 15:44

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Folderol posted:

Rumor has it that they like him because he's funding them.

I preferred it when Russia was funding left wing groups.

# ¿ May 27, 2014 20:18

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Communautarisme is really just a scarier way to say multiculturalism.
Those words are taboo in French politics since the French model is so assimilationist, which led to the extinction of many regional cultures and languages that were present in French-controlled territories.

We started mingling before we invented nations, I find it really odd that we supposedly need some higher force to make us get along or else.

# ¿ May 31, 2014 23:49

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Radio Prune posted:

Good to know the global circus that is American politics is "Reality Land" and the rest of the planet is out of its mind.

Don't worry we're catching up real fast.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2014 04:31

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 02:41

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

It's kind of called "Catholaicit�" in that they give lip service to secularism, while praising Catholic traditions and Catholic roots of France to high heavens.

You also see that behavior with some far right secular groups like Riposte Laique, who don't mind having Catholic extremists as allies against Islam.

I remember reading one of their article going on about same sex marriage played into the hands of the Muslim Menace.

But the other main parties (PS and UMP) are pretty much on the same tune.

# ¿ Jun 3, 2014 12:18

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