These are the people you share a road with: Let's play "drunk or hyper-miler?"

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Krakkles: May 5, 2003

You DO know there's a dashcam thread, right?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3597215

# ¿ Feb 11, 2014 04:35

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 16:07

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

I, for one, am glad that omniscient forums user "superv0zz" is here to correct all misinterpretations of actual fact and set us all straight.

Boy is my face red

But let's assume your version is true: he should've backed his car in and stayed within the line. He'd have room, the other person who FORCED HIM TO PARK LIKE THAT would have room, and Tomarse wouldn't have posted in this thread because nothing would've happened.

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Feb 14, 2014

# ¿ Feb 14, 2014 02:34

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

nsaP posted:

What's the crossover between this thread and /r/justiceporn ?

You shitpost in both, if I had to guess?

# ¿ Feb 14, 2014 06:56

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

I've actually had nearly exactly that situation happen on a bike - I was sitting at a red light on my motorcycle (in gear, you pedantic shitlords), car coming up behind me wasn't even slowing down, I gunned it and made a right.

There was no ice, no cross traffic, and I am 99.9% sure I would not have survived getting hit by a minivan at a ~50+mph speed differential.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2014 23:35

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Geoj posted:

Or you could just shift into gear and drive away. If the truck hits you in the time it takes to get back into gear you are hosed anyways.

I'm starting to believe you have never actually driven a manual transmission equipped vehicle before. From a roll getting back in gear and applying power is fast and easy - especially with a synchronized gearbox.

If I hadn't been in gear, I would not have survived the situation I outlined above. I dodged the minivan by literally (not figuratively) less than a second.

There is a distinct advantage to being in gear. If you want to sit at lights in neutral, that's your choice, but attempting to say there's no possible difference or advantage is idiotic.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2014 23:45

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Sten Freak posted:

This is really minor compared to most of the grievances here. I experience this every day going home from work. Car has to turn on one of the many intersecting neighborhood streets from the 35mph 4 lane road we're on. Car turns like this: Decelerate down to 5.4.3.2...turn. These side streets are often narrow and you don't want to front-end someone but even if there is full visibility and/or plenty of room a lot of people cannot take a corner any faster than a crawl.

This irritates me to no end.

Obviously there are situations that require more attention, but *most* corners can be taken at, honestly, a full autocross clip safely. If you drive it every day (meaning you know the road surface), you have visibility to see there are no pedestrians or obstructions, and your car is in good repair, you can take corners at much faster than LEGAL speeds without issue.

I'm not saying anyone should actually do this, but the whole "come to a complete stop, then make the turn" thing that I see regularly, or the 2mph thing you mention, is the complete opposite end of the spectrum, and no one should do that either.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2014 16:18

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

I think it's that, combined with the average human aversion to moderation - they can't do something in the middle, they have to go slow, so that they don't go flying out of control and drive over the median and into that house across the street.

Which they also do.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2014 17:46

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

xzzy posted:

On the other hand, if pedestrians are actually in the crosswalk, you don't drive through it. That's just the way it works.

Especially if they have a signal telling them to walk and you have a red light. Even if you have a green it's better to just wait.

And in California, at least, it's the law. You don't enter a crosswalk while a pedestrian is in it.

Edit: actually, according to some blog posts, this has been dropped from California law, and I can't find the vehicle code for it. Interesting.

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Mar 25, 2014

# ¿ Mar 25, 2014 16:47

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

LloydDobler posted:

Actually I just watched that video again and she was pacing the trucks in the slow lane, specifically to piss off the bro truck. You can see a rear wheel right at the beginning. That entire first minute she just sticks right next to them. Dumb oval office.

I agree completely. He should've just passed her, rather than pulling alongside and flipping her off, but other than that, most of the wrong is squarely in the video taker's lap.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2014 23:28

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Horse Divorce posted:

According to the description, she had a left turn in about half a mile, and wasn't even looking at the guy when he was beside her. She says she didn't even see the finger until she played the video.

Brotruck was in the wrong, and there's nothing he can do about it.

Someone get this woman a proper dashcam, she's served her time in hell.

Description is from her point of view and necessarily biased.

She traveled approximately two miles in that lane, as far as we can see in the video, I'm sure it started before that, and she was willfully trying to screw with him.

Basically, this:

EightBit posted:

She travelled for about a minute in the far left lane while not moving over to let him pass when she had the opportunity, and it's not like the traffic would prevent her from getting back in the lane when she needed to. She trolled the poo poo out of the bro-douche just to piss him off, gently caress that ho.

Edit:

Captain Bravo posted:

Why is it her responsibility to drive the way he wants? She's (assumedly) doing the speed limit, she's moving fast enough to pass trucks in the right hand lane. Unless she's purposefully speeding up whenever he tries to pass, (Which it doesn't appear so, since she didn't when he passed her) she's doing all that she needs to. If you want to go faster than the person in front of you, the onus is on you to get around them. Doubly so if you wanna break the law to do so.

That being said, if this happened in Georgia, with that loving braindead law they just passed, she would be in the wrong, but gently caress him anyway.

If she had moved over, that accident would not have happened, and nothing bad would have happened to her. Except less internet cred.

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Mar 28, 2014

# ¿ Mar 28, 2014 04:05

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Seriously.

Jesus, when did AI get so ... not AI?

If you're in the left lane and you're not immediately turning, move over and let people pass. Let bro trucks get tickets for you.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2014 04:14

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Cage posted:

The accident happened because the dude was being an aggressive rear end, cut her off and lost control while doing so.

Oh, I agree, but if she had've driven with what most people (and indeed, even some states laws) consider common courtesy, it wouldn't have happened. It's far from consistent across states, but here's a decent sampling (warning: I did not check his/her sources) of what the laws look like.

When I drive, if I'm blocking someone from passing on the left, I move over. A lot of people consider that common courtesy, and I'm certainly not the one to enforce speed limits. Nor is she, nor are you.

Cage posted:

This is nonsense, driving the speed limit in the left lane in a 2 lane street isn't going to get anyone a ticket. What world do you live in that you expect everyone to only occupy the right lane all the time unless theyre going to turn immediately?

That's not at all what I said.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2014 05:29

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

GramCracker posted:

I've got auto-dimming mirrors I love when people flash brights behind me. Does jack poo poo and you look like a moron.

I have limo tint, and most high-beams look like dimmed low beams. If they actually have decent lights, I don't have an auto dimmer, but a dimmer switch ain't exactly difficult to reach, at least. _{_{_{...and the backup lights that are going in are bright as gently caress, too}}}

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 28, 2014

# ¿ Mar 28, 2014 20:50

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

rear end in a top hat casserole posted:

Nope nope nope.
...
In some places, it's illegal to have an unsecured pet in your car.

Agreed completely, and those laws should be more prevalent than they are.

If you drive with your dog, or your iPad, or your phone, or your kid in your lap, you're a dipshit.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2014 06:43

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

8ender posted:

A small dog pretty much turns into a torpedo in a collision.

Not only that, but it's psychologically distracting, it is something that is ultimately uncontrollable which could interfere with driving (ie, it sees something on the floorboard, dives under your feet, or sees something out the windscreen and jumps on the wheel, etc), and it's just wholly inconsiderate to other people to do that. He's prioritizing his dog's wishes over the safety of other drivers.

# ¿ Apr 11, 2014 07:04

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

That guy continued past stopping traffic to hit a law enforcement vehicle rolling with lights on. I don't think that dashcam video is going to help him as much as he's hoping.

(Yes, it looks like the BP agents "lied" (or, more likely, "erroneously stated") that the light was red, but they DID have the turret lights on, and he did have an obligation to stop for them. They shouldn't have pulled out in front before he did, but it's not as clearly "LOL POLICE SCUM" as the commenters / people here are making it out to be.)

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 03:48

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

8ender posted:

Seemed to me from the video that he couldn't see the van and its lights because of the traffic in the other lanes.

... because he maintained his speed past stopped/stopping traffic. That's like teenager level amateur mistake.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 04:06

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

8ender posted:

I'll give you that but so is the van driver crossing the third lane full tilt just because two other lanes stopped to let him by.

Which is what I said originally, and still think.

nsaP posted:

His view was blocked the whole time and by the time you realize the left two lanes are stopping in the video it's too late. Maybe when you can watch it back over and over, but for him, he had little time to react. Even if he was paying attention and started slowing earlier I think he still would have hit the van.

Meanwhile that was piss poor intersection crossing by the van. Anyone who's seen an ambulance crawl thru an intersection despite all traffic being stopped has seen the caution that should be used.

i agree with your second paragraph, but your first misses an extremely important, key driving element: If you can't see, you slow the hell down. It is never ok to willfully ignore the world around you, then throw up your hands and pretend there's nothing that could have been done/it was all the other guy's fault.

Unfortunately, that never stops anybody.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 05:02

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

some texas redneck posted:

That van isn't an emergency vehicle in any way. It's just a transport vehicle, and really shouldn't be operating with lights while driving. Blue/white lights aren't generally recognized as an emergency vehicle light combo in the US.

This isn't true. Blue lights are used by federal vehicles ~~and are the only light color specific only to law enforcement vehicles in the US~~. (edit: Apparently there are states that allow other vehicles to use these, redacted.)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_vehicle_lighting

Furthermore, in every state, lights only is sufficient to dictate that other road users yield right of way.

Whether or not they had the siren on (doesn't seem so from the video), or if they had sufficient precedent to be rolling with lights (none of us have any idea), or they should have exercised more caution (absolutely), the driver who posted the video did something both stupid and illegal.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

Something that happens in like half of all the motorcycle crash youtubes. Not the bike's fault in most cases but a reasonably intelligent person would have slowed the gently caress down if they saw 3 cars in a row stopped at a green light.

Yeah. And that's the difference between smart riders and dead riders.

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 12, 2014

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 17:09

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

nsaP posted:

If we're going to get real pedantic it looks like his only indication of the van coming across was the lane immediately to his left slowing down. The lane 2 to his left is a turn lane, correct? So you'd expect people to slow there. You can armchair QB as much as you like and while the driver made a mistake, I'm sure it's one that anyone posting here could make on any day.

I think the point that several of us are trying to make is that the more experienced drivers amongst us have learned sufficient lessons to NOT make that mistake.

My universal, immediate response to 2/3 lanes slowing for no apparent reason is to slow down, and it would have prevented this accident. And truthfully, has on many occasions.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 17:47

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

SyHopeful posted:

...that being?

Failure to yield to an emergency vehicle

(Sorry for the LMGTFY, I couldn't get my phone to pull a direct google url.)

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 18:52

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Extra posted:

You do know Article 26 Section 1144 indicates there must be an audible siren, exhaust whistle, bell, air-horn or electronic equivalent present in addition to lights right? Oh and it also says there must be at least one red light visible under normal atmospheric conditions.

I generally agree with your sentiment of drivers being more aware of their surroundings and driving cautiously, just saying that citing the law in this case doesn't appear to help your argument.

Yep. You're right.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 19:03

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Motronic posted:

That's not true either.

In Pennsylvania (at least) you must have visual and audible alerting devices to claim emergency vehicle right of way.

I guess that explains why I regularly see people not yielding with emergency vehicles with lights on behind them, and they only respond once they get the siren blipped.

It's funny, as I'm typing this, I'm all "Man, that sounds sarcastic." ... But I'm perfectly serious. I see that a lot.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2014 22:14

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

InitialDave posted:

Indeed I have. I learned them by almost hitting people, same as everyone else.

That's really the problem I have with it ... Him coming online and saying "it was their fault" is him not learning the lesson.

# ¿ Apr 13, 2014 00:48

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Chinatown posted:

You should have called the police and maneuvered around them when safe. Its never a good idea to be behind an impaired driver. You are better to pass them on a double yellow *when obviously safe to do so* and get distance than sit behind them waiting for disaster.

Why do so many people think this?

You're better off:

Being on a different road (re-route yourself)
a safe distance behind them, where you can effectively brake to a stop when they do something stupid.

If you pass them, they can swerve into you. If you are in front of them, you cannot control the situation as effectively because your only option is outrunning them. You're giving them control over a large portion of the possible eventualities.

This is the same silly logic people seem to whip out with drunk drivers and it's remarkably short-sighted.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2014 01:58

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 22:05 on May 15, 2018

# ¿ Apr 16, 2014 22:20

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Ror posted:

I'm have no evidence that the two things are related, but in multiple states all the ones I've seen now will blink the speed limit or something like **SLOW** once you're doing about 10+ over. I'd like to think that it's because the signs double as high score displays though.

Yeah, that's pretty ubiquitous at this point.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2014 00:59

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 22:08 on May 15, 2018

# ¿ Apr 24, 2014 15:10

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Zamboni Apocalypse posted:

Because assholes won't stop?

"in" "a crosswalk"

# ¿ Apr 24, 2014 17:47

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Negromancer posted:

Is it just me or is the whole "140MPH!!!!!!" complete bullshit? Maybe 140kph. It looks to me like the guy on the bike was doing maybe 90mph, and the suv was just doing ~20mph for some unknown reason.

I'm in complete agreement with you. That's not what 140mph looks like, and it's not what 7-800lbs hitting a car at 140mph looks like.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2014 00:25

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Seat Safety Switch posted:

car2gos are rentals, and every Smart car has a broken transmission because they're a godawful "automated manual" that burns the clutch going uphill and basically shifts gears like a geriatric on blood pressure medication getting intimately serviced by a gas weedwhacker.

I rent cars weekly, and if I ever picked up one that wouldn't shift out of first, I would complain and return it.

As he should. If he doesn't, it goes back to the original reply - gently caress you, don't drive a poorly maintained vehicle.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2014 21:12

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Scruff McGruff posted:

My first dashcam footage is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZaI2EhtOSM

You're the person we share the road with.

"This guy is changing lanes in front of me as I drive slower than traffic omg WHAT A CRAZY DRIVER!!!"

"This guy is stopping in the lane 5+ car lengths ahead of me on a wide open two lane road, I should stop behind him and see what he does ... omg WHAT A CRAZY DRIVER!!!"

# ¿ May 20, 2014 16:07

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 22:08 on May 15, 2018

# ¿ May 20, 2014 18:11

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

And that's where this thread keeps looping back around - the guy who comes in and says "WELL I WAS FOLLOWING THE RULES _{_{to piss people off on purpose}} SO I WAS RIGHT AND THEY WERE WRONG."

If you know it's passive aggressive, and you know it's only serving to piss people off, knock it the hell off.

Roads are not your playground, they are not there so you can take out some passive aggressive control fantasy, and frankly, if you know you have that issue, go get some therapy and save the rest of us from having to deal with it.

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 22:09 on May 15, 2018

# ¿ May 20, 2014 18:47

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

xzzy posted:

I'll stop pissing them off when they stop pissing me off.

A guy can tolerate people drifting into their lane only so many times before plotting some retaliation, I think I deserve a little leeway.

This isn't a zero-sum game, though, and by taking out your anger towards one driver on other drivers, you're making the whole thing worse.

If you want to be a dick to someone who is a dick to you, feel free - it's not safe, and it probably isn't a good idea, but I wouldn't begrudge you the satisfaction.

But don't be a dick to "a collection of lead foots" because one person did something.

# ¿ May 20, 2014 18:54

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

This mentality:

xzzy posted:

every once in a while I gotta get my digs in

... is the direct cause of this:

xzzy posted:

Nope, the road is just an endless cycle of building rage.

So good job on being part of the problem.

# ¿ May 20, 2014 19:27

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 22:06 on May 15, 2018

# ¿ May 21, 2014 03:56

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Chinatown posted:

I was tempted to do this a few weeks ago on my roadtrip to Vegas but I didn't feel like getting pulled over.

I knew the guy who has (or had, I haven't seen him in years) the CA license plate RVO3VOM.

He was, predictably, a bit of a douche.

\/\/ sticker on windshield header that says "MOVE ->" when read in a rearview mirror.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 04:01

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Did you really just link to an urban legend - which even Wikipedia specifically states is an urban legend - as a reason why you shouldn't flash your lights at people?

It's an urban legend. That means it is not true.

# ¿ May 22, 2014 00:06

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 16:07

Krakkles: May 5, 2003

Raluek posted:

But scared people who react without thinking about the consequences of their actions might not know that. Thus, you flash your lights at someone who's doing something stupid, and they react poorly.

I guess that is the point? I've never heard that legend until now.

At this point you're really reaching, though - the urban legend is that if you flash your lights (specifically at a car with theirs off at night), you will be shot and killed in a gang initiation. (Which is false.)

You've gone from that to "if I flash my lights at someone else they'll think I'm going to gang initiate myself and shoot them" or something.

It's not even the same flashing - if you want to indicate that someone has their lights off, you switch yours off and back on. Flashing the highbeams is completely separate from that.

# ¿ May 22, 2014 00:15

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