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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

What tactics did the conquistadors use in the New World? Someone referred to Cortez using tercios, which strikes me as a little too rigid to be used in jungle warfare, but I don't know anything about the period.

(actually sperging about pre-Columbian wars would be cool too.)

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I'm generally familiar with how the conquest went down (although some of it's new to me and it's all interesting), but I was specifically wondering if the fighting was conducted with conventional European field tactics like the tercio. Off the top of my head, the lack of cavalry among the enemy might make pikes less attractive, but you guys are the ones with degrees.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Arquinsiel posted:

I'm not sure if they're still in service at all, but the Israelis converted some Shermans to armoured ambulances. That totally counts, right? Apparently Uruguay is still using the M24 Chaffee too.

The Avalon Hill Arab-Israeli wars boardgame had the Israelis fielding 'Patturions' that looked like Centurion guns on Patton chassis. Did that kind of thing happen much?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

SlothfulCobra posted:

When did prosecuting people for war crimes become a thing, anyways?

Depending on how you count 'war crimes' the commandant of Andersonville was tried after the Civil War for abusing and murdering prisoners. I think Hegel mentioned a 30YW general tried for war crimes by his own side, but I may not be remembering that correctly.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

cafel posted:

But really, how would the war have changed if the Americans had upgunned the Sherman with laser cannons?

What if Wallenstein had laser cannons?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

On the subject of Sherman's march, my dad (an amateur history buff and not forums poster my dad) likes to say that the three greatest logisticians (that's a word) were Caesar, Napoleon, and Sherman. Is that at least a reasonable statement?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I was naming all my Spartan cities in Alpha Centurai after famous battles, and I realized I didn't really know much about the military history of non-European countries. If I lived in China or India or Latin America or so on, what would my Normandy and Waterloo and Agincourt be?

e: vv that's why!

StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Apr 14, 2014

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

:spergin:
Shield generators protect from orbital bombardment but not ground attack (somehow, and it's a little unclear how the ground forces get there.) Planetary sieges are won by either surrounding the major cities and starving them out or destroying the shield generators, either through a desperate armored push or by sabotage. On Hoth a simple blockade should have been able to starve out a small Rebel base (although it's clear they can get away from the blockade since they're the protagonists) and the AT-AT is a very 'Hollywood' design.

StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Apr 21, 2014

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

The commander of Vader's flagship also got his job because he was considered politically untrustworthy and was put somewhere Vader could murder him at a moment's notice, so not exactly someone you can trust with such an important operation. The land commander had someone exiled for pointing out the obvious stability flaw in AT-ATs.

e: :spergin: again

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

:spergin: hat trick

There's a whole plot in the Zahn novels (aka the only good ones) where Coruscant is put under siege by dropping hundreds of cloaked asteroids in the system and they can't enter or leave the planet because they have to keep the shields up. It's implied they don't reach all the way to the ground.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

As penance for the nerd derail, does anyone know of a good book covering Sherman's march?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

If you wanna talk about this stuff (and by God I do) try it here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3338643

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Yeah, as I understand it a lot of the thinking going into WWI was based on the Franco-Prussian War which was basically a fluke where one side was massively superior to the other.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

sullat posted:

Jackson's was kind of funny. If you're going to scout out beyond your lines, it might be best to mention that. Because soldiers get jumpy when there's some guy claiming to be the general lurking around the lines at night.

Fun fact: one of the soldiers riding with Jackson who tried to stop the pickets from shooting him was named Peyton Manning.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

At least they're not doing the Pearl Harbor conspiracies.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

HEY GAL posted:

I'm really glad nobody tries to sexualize my line of work, since it would be basically rape or snuff porn.

Although, I found a sculpture once, from the time, about tabletop size and carved in white stone, of a trooper leading a naked woman away with her hands behind her back. He's got a good grip on her too, although she's trying to get away. Nobody knows what it was for, but someone commissioned it, on purpose. If I weren't so far away from my books I'd scan the picture for you guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesh_%26_Blood_%28film%29 ?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

HEY GAL posted:

The relationship between you and your "quarter-giver" wasn't always bad, though. Peter Hagendorf seemed to like one of his hosts and even got him a gift when he moved out, which if it were fiction would have been humor so black that I could see it showing up in Pictures for Sad Children or something. I mean Christ, imagine the conversation.

Is there an English translation of his diary?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

HEY GAL posted:

One of the most powerful empires in the world is facing a bunch of religious extremists who belong to a fanatical and iconoclastic faith which the members of the empire hate but do not understand. Some of the people who promulgate the war are talented, but some antagonize the natives more than they should. Planned armistices fizzle out. Although the empire is staggeringly wealthy, the impact of such a long and costly war plus bad economic policy causes massive economic disruption, which leads in turn to political unrest at home. Meanwhile, the best infantry in the world is betrayed by an important government official who subordinates his country's war-making capacity to his own political opinions, including contempt for the established bureaucracy of the army. This causes some high-profile defeats. Eventually the empire has to make peace with the rebellious religious extremists and withdraw, but their economy never recovers.

:911:

e: the smilie didn't load for me :downs:

StashAugustine fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jun 12, 2014

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Filippo Corridoni posted:

Anyone here familiar with William F. Owen's old man rant against the very idea of an Infantry Fighting Vehicle?


You have to register to see the full article, but its free and easy to do so. Personally, I think he's right. This particular old man makes a pretty convincing argument.

Quick, someone post pentagon_wars.flv

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Those seriously need to be adopted by someone's navy, they owned.

They were by the Napoleonic British :v:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

A friend of mine claimed that not only did blacks fight for the south in the Civil War, but were allowed to become officers while the US prevented them. On a scale of 1 to Calhoun, how full of poo poo is that?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Well according to Mel Gibson...

Inaccurate as hell but given how Isabella turned out...

(Although they do think her kids were Edward's.)

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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Ensign Expendable posted:

Oh, Mekhlis. Yes, let's put a QA guy in charge of army morale, why not.

Worked for McNamara, right? :v:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


I can kinda see what they're going for there, unless the guy doing the cover is just *that* stupid.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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PittTheElder posted:

Reposting this from the WWI thread just in case anyone is interested:


An amusing quote from the first episode as I'm listening to it:

The contrast between this and the 30YW is pretty amusing.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

PittTheElder posted:

From a thought that randomly popped into my head, how good were these guys at latrine discipline, or camp hygiene in general?

How good were the Romans at it? They were pretty great about throwing up forts for defenses.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

What were examples of effective early (say, pre-19th century) insurgencies? What caused modern insurgencies to be more effective (if they were?)

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

my dad posted:

:allears:

Are there many military acronyms that had their meaning modified in a particularly fun way by the troops?

Hummers and Jeeps.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Also My rear end Rides In Navy Equipment but I'm not sure if that counts :v:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

My grampa actually worked for Von Braun for a bit, its not every man who can literally say his boss is a slavedriver :v:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Raenir Salazar posted:

What was awful about him again, all I know is he gets quote mined a lot by Moon Landing Hoax people.

He was part of Paperclip, before building moon rockets he built the V2.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

On the other side of the coin my granpa had some interesting stories about Germans sitting out on the front porch and getting stone drunk in the middle of Bible-belt Alabama.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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MrYenko posted:

IIRC, This is from a mid-late eighties FEMA brochure.


Nice to see the Ruskies would take the time to nuke Lafayette, Indiana of all places.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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HEY GAL posted:

Not plug, chock. An honest to God wooden wedge. You hammer a few in there and theoretically it holds the chamber in place.

I cannot stress enough how rad this period is.

When did this go out of style? Reminds me of the homemade wooden cannons in The Mission (which is pretty loosely based on history, though.)

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Cyrano4747 posted:

If you really want the :catdrugs: of napoleonic era small arms it's all about large-bore air rifles. The Austrians in particular used them although it wasn't a really widespread thing.

Still, for the era they were like a goddamned stealth bomber. Everyone else is loving around at 2-3 shots a minute with muzzleloaders that create clouds of smoke obscuring everything but the men standing next to you. The air rifles? 20 shot magazines firing .46 cal ball and reservoirs that could do 30 rounds with enough pressure to kill a man. The reloading mechanism was kind of unique but essentially as fast as any other manually-repeating firearm (so bolt or lever actions). Each soldier carried 2 spare reservoirs that could be changed in battle, and since they were drat near silent (especially on a battlefield) and there was no smoke to give you away they were basically a skirmisher's dream gun.

Obviously expensive as gently caress all, and the soldiers using them needed a ton of training compared to the average infantryman, so not general issue in any sense of the term. Still, a neat footnote in firearms development.

Oh yeah, and Lewis and Clark carried one on their little adventure, although they basically just used it to impress Indians they met. Frankly I'm pretty sure they brought it with them just because they could.

Weird, I was just reading about paramilitaries fighting for Batista in Cuba that used high-caliber air rifles, but that was in 1957.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Helmets of ww1/2 vintage do piss all to stop all but the lowest velocity shrapnel. They were issued to protect against dirt and debris kicked up by HE, largely as a result of increased casualties caused by concussions. Same principle and construction as early 20th c safety helms.

The book version of Black Hawk Down noted that the Delta Force soldiers preferred using plastic hockey helmets.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

So my church, an old German immigrant parish, is having an Octoberfest a month early tommorrow (they do this every year to make it coincide with the pastor's birthday.)



I'm making shirts :v:

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

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I wanted to get a Fischer was Right tshirt but I was sure no one would get that.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

In positive German military things have a Civil War song about German immigrants fighting for the Union.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUSJA-vtg_s

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

What's the translation?

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