Clocks posted:

I haven't read up on the backstory, but presumably you are either escaping / a stowaway / setting out on this tiny rear end ship to god knows where. The only things you have with you are this matter manipulator you find, a weapon, and some seeds. The 3D printer isn't loaded with any useful things you could create and you didn't bring any tech with you. It makes sense that the matter manipulator you have now might not be some super duper high tech one from back home or whatever. Even more, it's easier to use technology when you already have it than when you have to make it. I know how to use a flashlight, but I sure as hell don't know how to build one. So starting out with more basic tools and eventually working your way up works even in a lore/immersion sense.

So the complaints seem to be -- we have to use pickaxes! To mine ore! Why can't it be more scif-fi!

I mean, I guess whatever floats your boat. I don't mind the standard progression and Tiy has made it clear higher tiers (that are not currently implemented) will have cooler sci-fi stuff. Hell, aren't guns technically tier 2 or tier 3? That's not very far removed from the beginning.

dijon du jour posted:

Alright, let's go with this. Where should it start? What should be the first proper mining tool you make?

canepazzo posted:

Caveman tier would make more sense to me if your ship wasn't available/functioning at the star. Maybe get it back/repair it at the end of the tutorial quest line?

Mental Midget posted:

Why is everyone so dismayed at the survival part of a sandbox survival game? Isn't starting out with jack and clawing your way up to eventually be a tiny God the whole point of the genre?

OneTwentySix posted:

Is there anything I can do about the horrible lighting situation when digging? If I'm using a two-handed weapon or the pick and accidentally break into an area, I have to quick put down a torch and if there's a monster present, I'm generally dead before I can get that far (since I might have taken fall damage). The flashlight is nice, but I don't really use any one-handed weapons.

Also, is there any way to use two techs at the same time? I have the dash and the double jump, but can only use one.

Verranicus posted:

Except most of the complaints are quality of life things that can be added when the games major systems are fixed and set in stone first.

Control Volume posted:

More diversity is not a core mechanic.

qnqnx posted:

There are actually biomes that are mechanically different, like toxic flower biomes having a lot of poison water ponds.
Also nice title.

Control Volume posted:

Yeah infinite area was Minecraft's gimmick too, and while they're still adding new biomes and monsters and blocks, the game has stagnated without mods because more diversity is not a core mechanic.

Motherfucker posted:

Please tell us more about how different colored dirt is insufficient amusement for one of such grand ambition.

Motherfucker posted:

I agree, mechanical differences between biomes are important.


The difference being I'm not going to poo poo up five to six pages explaining why we should do that right now instead of fixing the things that are currently getting fixed.

Motherfucker posted:

I mean honestly do you really need to burn to death on a desert planet when the tech tree is so hosed up you likely will need to go to that same planet to get the materials needed to make sun protection equipment? Would you like to choke to death on moon class planets when there is absolutely no ground work in place for preventing choking to death because they focused more on the texture of the dirt at the side of the road than on making the actual road?

Mokinokaro posted:

Different monsters per biome on a planet would be a nice, fairly simple, addition. Have a few common to the whole planet and some that only appear in certain environments.

Also some planets having a small "ice cap" for variety.

Mystery Prize posted:

What am I supposed to do to get past Tier 2? The armor is worthless and I don't know what I'm looking for to advance.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

Randomly generated armor isn't happening next patch, nor is it a feature consideration thing yet. Forward it to Tiyuri.

Reiley posted:

Planet diversity isn't a mechanic. Things that make up diversity in a meaningful way are environmental hazards, of which there are already a few- the most prominent at present being temperature, but others include stalactites, buzzsaws, electrical traps, toxic lakes and my personal bane, the Big Sudden Cliff. The way those environmental hazards impede you- generally by threatening you with death- are core mechanics. The planets could use more diverse environmental hazards but those hazards themselves, from a perspective of core mechanics, are already present.

Rather Dashing posted:

What does the snow armour require? I don't see it in my crafting lists.

NihilVerumNisiMors posted:

Reddit (*gasp*) has a pretty good thread about current issues and design directions. I'm honestly surprised the feedback is of such high quality.

I honestly think the game is in good hands with the devs and the community outside the official forums.

Literally Kermit posted:

Loaded word. There hasn't been like a stable update in months. The unstable version and nightlies update all the Goddamn time but some how the blubberers never bring that up.

Taear posted:

I think Starbound gets the most vitriol because the game page promised a load of pretty cool stuff but when you play it's not really there. Yes I know it's early access but I can still see people being disappointed that it doesn't quite match up to what the description touts it as. It feels more like a sandboxy crafting game and not much like a "go to planets exploring" game.

Broand posted:

One of the cool things Terraria did with ores was that you had no idea what you could do with them until you got back to your base and checked the recipes of things you could make. Early game was more along the lines of "Oh hey some copper, that'll come in handy" rather than "Okay I need X amount of copper in order to progress". Eventually you find stranger materials, like meteorite, demonite and other stuff and each time you find them you're mining with the thought that "I bet I can make some really cool poo poo with this" because it was an uncommon material with a cool premise.

Starbound is more straightforward. You mine materials to make gear better and build more weapons, but there's very little variation outside of standard upgrades. Starbound has loads of cool potential materials, like Direstone, Tar, Bones, Sand, Mud, Slime, Dungeon building blocks etc but you can't make anything cool out of them. You can make some furniture out of them but there's so little else you can do with them. Where Starbound can really outshine Terraria is the fact that you know that there's not going to be all the content on one planet, which drives you to explore. But if all you get is a slightly different flavour of the same thing then there's not much point in exploring at all.

Magmarashi posted:

You seem to be a little frustrated about Video games.

Vexed.

Perturbed.

Incensed.

Perhaps a little...Mad.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Yes, being unreasonable is less valid than being reasonable. When someone complains "THERE'S NO UPDATES!!!!!" when they have the option to grav nightly builds, they are being unreasonable and their complaint is less valid than if Tiy said "the next patch is on X date and will have Y feature" with X date coming, the patch being late without explanation, and Y feature not being in it without explanation.

The first complaint should be ignored, or mocked if the person keeps doubling down on stupidity. The second would warrant an explanation and reflect poorly otherwise.

Lizard Wizard posted:

Yes, they are. Look around you.

Lizard Wizard posted:

Oh my loving god, who asked you to bring this up yet again?

Lizard Wizard posted:

Idunno man, we'd just have a bunch of weird space poo poo to chop trees and dig rocks with. Why not just call a pickaxe a pickaxe?

RareAcumen posted:

Will someone please make a mod that says that your character went to a space Trade school after graduating from Space Highschool so they know how to make space lasers instead of ancient stick+rock technology?

Cernunnos posted:

Only if one of the options does nothing but seems like it should do something. And the developers don't say anything about it for like 2-3 years after release.

Cernunnos posted:

Section Z posted:

Well, I'd assume the reason they'd keep generic 'can't mine X without Y pickaxe' would because Terraria and whatever other digging games do it, and calling it "a sense of progression" when you are screaming at your screen because you've spent the last two hours walking past piles of iron and whatever amounts of silver and gold because you just can't find those first scraps of copper that are "So easy to get you guys." While walking past any platinum or diamonds you'd normally dig up to save for making a shiny new pickaxe later, because you are not allowed to dig plat without gold, and no diamond without plat.

You don't even start off being able to dig up the FIRST TIER progression metal, stone pick can only dig up copper and coal. No Iron, no Silver, no Gold. So before you can make an anvil (because you are not allowed to dig up iron), you gotta hope you find enough copper. This is actually WORSE than usual pickaxe progression, because you don't need to work your way up through an extra pickaxe tier before you can start making an ANVIL in Terraria (plus, you know. Starting with a pickaxe).

Section Z posted:

My only comfort is that this latest derail I've caused myself by simply reading the nightly notes, is based around actual current (nightly) gameplay and it's implications. Pretty bullshit that ores disintegrate, I thought they would just float in the air mocking you or something.

Though I can't help but ruin it by asking, would you say this is worse than caveman tier? Because caveman tier could at least, very slowly, dig up anything.