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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Slimnoid posted:

Basically, yeah. Jensen was sort of 'locked in' when he got augmented, as he was already at the top of his game physically speaking; JC is brand new, a blank slate, an empty piece of paper that is ready to be written on. Pure potential, essentially.

One thing to remember about Jensen is that he had plenty of real-world, practical experience as a police officer and SWAT team member prior to being sent through Sarif's Mean Bean Machine. JC had a year of training, tops, before being told "go free the statue of liberty from terrorists in STALKER larp gear." It very much shows the difference between the two.

Thematically, our DX protagonist starts out under trained, under equipped and under supported because the world is a flaming pile of garbage and the guys backing him are "bootstraps libertarian" nut jobs. They want to see you sink or swim purely because they want to know if they have made a Randian Superman or a parasite. Cyber-sweat of your nano-brow, and all that.

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Hiro Protagonist is my #1 favorite protagonist name. Meta as gently caress.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
So, I've never really gotten very far in Deus Ex before. I installed the texture mod OP has been using and have farted around the first level a bit. Are there any quality of life/gameplay mods that anyone would recommend?

Another thing I'm curious about are the skills. Other than getting your free point in pistols at the beginning, what's the highest priority to raise at the start? Computer/lock picking, a weapon skill? What's a solid weapon to dump mods on? It sounds like the stealth pistol is a bust, and the FOV on the scope for the sniper rifle is so comically tiny that I can't find a target, even when JC isn't swinging it around like he's on a bender.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
I just installed Biomod and maxed out the athletics skill and put a point in computers. I'll see you slow, non ledge vaulting chumps at the finish line. :smug:

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Night10194 posted:

Much like in Alpha Protocol, even though overt force was always an option it always felt somehow wrong to me. It's just so much more rewarding to sneak your way through and pull off sneaky spy stuff, saving the heavy combat for when you either decided the guys you were up against needed to die or you messed up and had to shoot your way out.

A shotgun/smg run of Alpha Protocol is really cathartic if done after a ghost run. Feels good, man.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Section Z posted:

I never got around to quite fully beating Dues Ex. My first memories of the game are playing the Demo, Tutorial with my brother watching, and getting my legs blown off because I tried to use an explosive barrel as cover :downs: If he's technically invincible during the training like Bobbin says, perhaps it was either different in the Demo, or that's why I survived eating an exploding barrel face first even if I was crawling along after.

I keep tending to be as obsessively sneaky as ninja as possible (with a trail of as many looted baton or ninja execution takedowns as possible)... Aside from my obsessive LAM hoarding to deal with doors I'm too lazy to crack more subtly, and robots I can't conveniently hack or sneak past. Good lord I wish the cool looking mini-crossbow wasn't garbage for the kinder, gentler takedown intentions Paul gave it to you for.

"Sweet, I shot them in the skull with a knockout dart... Oh, he's going to scream, sprint to the alarm, and shoot at me alerting everyone in the map before falling unconscious thirty seconds later" :argh:

SuperNano THC only works so fast. :420:

E: I find it silly that a super powered neo-man can render dozens of men harmlessly unconscious with blunt force trauma. Less lethal does not mean non-lethal. Hell, the tranqs probably kill half the guys die to improper dosage and complications.

Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jan 16, 2014

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Ok, if you want to become a crazed bionic murder-fiend, perform the following steps.

1. Install Biomod, then create a new JC Denton. Max out athletics and put the rest of your points in simple weapons.

2. Get the GEP. Grab a crowbar. With max athletics, you run fast enough to get into melee range of the NSF and mercs before they can turn around and bring weapons to bear.

3. Sprint around clubbing people in the head for mondo damage. If the first hit doesn't do it, hit them again! Don't worry, as long as you keep hitting them, they'll never get to fire at you.

4. Blow up the robot with the GEP.

5. For groups of enemies near one another, strike hard and fast. If needed, use enemies as cover while maneuvering to strike.

6. GOTO 1

That has to be my fastest clear time of Liberty Island. It was 5-10 minutes of "...some guy in a coat?" followed by the satisfying clank of iron on bone.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

KittyEmpress posted:

No, I mean the dialogue sounds like a robot thought it up. Everyone is always super... I don't know how it explain it, but look at Paul in the videos so far. He doesn't come off like a brother at all, the grunts sound more familiar with you than he does.

Paul is JC's senior by quite a few years, not to mention Paul has been gone on various assignments for a while. Also, they're both government spooks. I think the voices actually sorta work in that respect.

The real reason everything seems so clunky is that we're used to today's AAA production standards, even if I kinda like the stilted goofiness of it all. DX's presentation was awkward even when it came out, but it was just as good or better than its contemporaries in the script/VA department.

E: the best example of VA/Scripting I can think of from the same year would be Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2

Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jan 23, 2014

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

I'm not going to lie, that is both surreal and amazing. I am mildly surprised that the voice of Adam Jensen has played played through the game he voiced twice.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
A lot of media has blank-slate main characters with very little personality or defining character traits expressly so the consumer can place themselves in the role of the protagonist. Works for romance novels, CYOA game books, many dialog/moral choice heavy RPGs, dating sims and more! Twilight the book was so popular in part because Bella Swan was practically an avatar for the reader. Then there's games like Alpha Protocol and Mass Effect that give the main character several distinct and strong personalities to choose from.

P.S.

FemShep4lyfe

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Caim having dialogue boxes in Drakengard makes sense, as he's only recently been rendered mute and is frequently frustrated by it.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Slavvy posted:

I'm willing to bet the giant triangular walls were put in place as a substitute for dense trees because of technical limitations.

I imagine they were also put in to limit enemy LOS/wanderlust and direct the flow of the level. The walls look better as brick than if they had a repeating tree texture on them.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Am I the only one that finds Manderly paying JC on the spot super weird? JC is a government agent and should receive his salary monthly or bi-weekly, and any performance bonuses would probably come at the end of the fiscal period after review. Manderly just straight up chucks money at JC like he's a temporary mercenary or small-time contract killer. JC is a test run of bleeding edge nanotechnology whose performance may determine the fate of the entire nanoaug program. If UNATCO wanted to give him performance bonuses, why not more and better equipment from the armory and earlier access aug canisters? Either of those would be way more useful than a handful of credits.

Also, shouldn't any of the UNATCO agents with weapons and powers of arrest have the title of Special Agent? My immersion! :qq:

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

counterfeitsaint posted:

You know for being about global conspiracies and viruses that kill billions, this is an awfully silly game.

I think that's the point. The conversation between Anna and Gunther about the soda machine lampshades the conspiracy topic nicely.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Wouldn't the only sure way to prevent a techno-singularity from happening while still leaving humanity alive be to destroy all accumulated human knowledge and hope we do better on the next pass in few thousand years?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

DatonKallandor posted:

So you pull a Babylon 5? Bomb everyone back to the middle ages and see if we do it better the second time around.

Who knows, we may be on our tenth go round!

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Maybe Bob Page hangs out and plays XBox and talks philosophy with some dude named Thomas Aquinas.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Un-upgraded and with no ranks in the rifle skill, the assault rifle still makes for a devastating melee range weapon. :colbert: As for the assault rifle looking goofy, it's a bullpup gun. They all look dumb.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Xander77 posted:

Who is that and what's their "LPing level"?

Edit - Oh yeah, Trespasser. That sure was a thing, probably.

Research Indicates' LP is kinda like Sam Elliot narrating a well researched and highly produced documentary/playthrough of Tresspasser.*

Check out the teaser video.

*For a nerdy niche hobby thing, of course.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Might I suggest some light reading? Everything Is Under Control: Conspiracies, Cults and Cover-ups. It's an encyclopedia of crazy. Got one on my bookshelf.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Shei-kun posted:

A rare, undocumented, but well known side effect of nanoaugmentation is the ability to transform into a comfortable sofa at will.

Known on the streets as "going full-Ottoman."

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
If I were an illuminati power-broker, having a bunch of crazy, isolationist, doomsday cults with tons of firearms sounds like an ideal situation. Plenty of useful idiots ready to shoot at shadows, but none of the groups like or support each other. Sounds like a cushy position.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
America would be a better place if both gun and driver licensing were much more involved. That won't happen without a massive public education campaign because those are two things we see as rights.

I'm bipolar and currently very depressed (taking meds and seeing professionals regularly) and I could go buy a shotgun right now. Might have to wait a few days for a handgun. The best my therapist could do is strongly discourage me from obtaining a firearm. I'm not comfortable with that.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
If I ever own a gun for self defense, I'll pay some extra money for frangible rounds so I don't explode the head of a toddler three houses down.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Unlike in movies and video games, any blow that can render someone unconscious is also very likely to be life threatening. Less-lethal weapons are similar. You're launching a beanbag at bullet speeds which might not rip through flesh, but it might rupture your kidneys if you get tagged in the right spot.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
This is my favorite anything ever involving guns. It's from a TV movie and recreates an infamous firefight in Miami from the FBI's history. I think it does pretty awesome job of demonstrating the chaos of a real gun battle. While it's a dramatization, the scene follows the after action report very closely. The shoot out led to a ton of policy changes, like letting local law enforcement know about stuff.

The thing I like most is that people get shot multiple times and continue fighting, unlike most fiction where bullet=dead.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
What nano augs would you get in real life? I'd be happy with a rebreather/aqualung and some auto-triage.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
You can already get your eyes auged. My brother used to be as blind as I am, but he hasn't worn glasses in a decade. I've never had the money to get my eyes seared by lasers. :smith:

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

CasinoV posted:

I'M NOT ADDICTED TO VIDEO GAMES, DON'T YOU JUDGE ME!



In other news anyone else pre-order Dark Souls 2 and the new Diablo 3 expansion yet? Yea they are going to be great, I just bet. :okpos:

Nah man. I'm on the free roguelike methadone program.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Magil of Shadow posted:

I'd rather avoid having my mindset 'changed' by any sort of high, so long as I can avoid it.

That was my reasoning until I got drunk at 22 and discovered I loved it. Now I'm a recovering alcoholic and I still smoke tobacco, which I picked up from drinking buddies. Whoops. Altered brain states are super fun, but uh, moderation is key.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Psychotic Weasel posted:

I've had this game installed forever and have a save file in every level seemingly except for Brooklyn Bridge Station, fortunately I had one near by.


As you can see the mod contains some Engrish, apparently.

As for the episode itself, this section of the game always reminded me of some documentary special I saw on TV when I was much younger (something along the lines of what A&E used to to) about people who lived in small towns and whatnot built into utility, ventilation and train tunnels that run beneath New York. Doesn't take a man-made plague to drive people underground. I'm sure if you look anywhere you can find all sorts of weird things hidden in plain sight and since this episode features the Brooklyn Bridge, how about reading about a fallout shelter that's sat untouched for close to 50 years that no one knew anything about. Makes you wonder what else is laying around out there.

And on the topic of earthquakes on the eastern seaboard, there is actually mounting evidence that even through we are far from the nearest plate boundaries there is still a lot of evidence of recent seismic activity all across the Northeast. You get the occasional 2.0 and 3.0 shakes every once and a while but there are records and evidence of much stronger events taking place as little as 100-150 years ago.

I think in this game through, the earthquakes are meant to be another layer of the conspiracy and the quakes that hit New York also devastated large swaths of the rest of the country and caused most of SoCal to slip into the sea.

Any recent eastern seismic activity is due to HAARP testing of seismic weapons. :colbert:

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
I know what he meant, but yeah. I refused to take pills or seek treatment for depression for more than a decade. Then I had a months long manic episode where I did a lot of dumb poo poo, ruined relationships, bombed college etc. and decided, hey I should probably get that checked out. It took a couple years of therapy to accept that I needed the help. My brain is just kinda broke and the bootstraps approach failed for me. YMMV.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
All I know is that these powdered Atlantean power crystal pills that I got from the internet are the only thing that keep my Morgellons in check. Whenever I see chemtrails in the sky I curse the reptoid shadow government that gave me this foul medical condition.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
Yeah, I don't think decriminalizing drugs is some sort of social panacea, but doing so allows for easier outreach and education.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
That's kinda like naming a neighborhood "Literal Shithole" though, and I'm sure once gentrification booted out all the poors that had given the place character, the assholes that have it that name couldn't wait to change it.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Gimbal lock posted:

A bunch of straight-edge boring people in this here thread. Variety and experimentation is the spice of life, friends! :drugnerd: :guinness: :jenkem:

We watch other people play video games for fun, of course we're a bunch of straight-edge dorks.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Maremidon posted:

I like the conspiracy corner videos, but it's all anyone seems to want to talk about.

That said, it's not like much happened this video. A lesser game would probably have you fighting exploding junkies.

I see you're not familiar with UNATCO's Anti-Narco-Terror Division.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
People have lived underground in tunnels and sewers and in tiny boxes and cages and worse for millennia. I don't think it was ever really by choice, though. Kowloon Walled City was a thing until the Chinese knocked it down.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
The first English novel was the King James Bible, you Godless heathens.

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
See, even internet science-types can't agree about simple things! Their faith in the so-called scientific method falls apart quickly under scrutiny. Unlike those who stay true to the immutable truths of their faith, these science-worshipers will flock to whatever new evidence claims to validate their agenda.*

*Paraphrasing a conversation I had the other day. Sigh.

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