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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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I bring my own paper and pencil, cuz you can write a lot more a lot faster

Someone once figured out that the SAT essay section was essentially 80% correlated to the quantity of writing and not too correlated with quality above a low threshold. I kinda expect something similar in whiteboard situations

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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if you have too poo poo a reputation, the only peeps who apply are basically lemons

if you have too good a reputation, everyone applies. like 20-40% of peeps are lemons but 95% of the peeps in the applicant pool because they have to spend loads of time applying to everything to land a job

bob dobbs is dead
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i used to handwrite some design docs, tape them up to the wall, take them down once i finished and toss them. transcribe them if i really really had to.

you get diagrams in handwriting for free, and nobody actually wants to update docs so the transcription is a great point to update them to the actuality of what actually exists

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Guinness posted:



Conducting interviews for senior positions is a real quick way to cure your imposter syndrome

I find you get as many non fizzbuzzers in senior positions as junior ones, it's just that you don't expect that

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Steve French posted:

I'm honestly surprised that so many people see such low pass rate on fizzbuzz. Of course there's the first level of surprise that it's amazing that many people could be employed without being able to answer it, but I'm saying this from my own experience interviewing as both a hiring manager and technical interviewer over the years.

Perhaps it's due to variance in role needs and applicant pool, but that's not my experience at all. I've got to wonder how much it's due to how screening is done at earlier stages; we don't ask fizzbuzz or something else as simple, and I can count on one hand (out of hundreds) the number of people who made it to a technical screen and performed as poorly as people are describing a majority of candidates. We aren't a big company with a ton of recruiting resources, nor do I think we have any unreasonably high technical bar for screening. Maybe because we aren't a high profile Google we aren't getting the volume of garbage applicants that some others do?

huge differences based on location, too, ime

bob dobbs is dead
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raminasi posted:

Do you think they were lying in bullet point 2 there? Because you can't rote-memorize your way to actual accomplishments.

e: To expand a little, the two most plausible explanations for your experiences I can think of are:
  • Approximately three quarters of your applicants rote-memorized development pattern and practices sufficiently to intelligently discuss, developed elaborate enough lies about their work history that they deceived you on the phone about them, and either lied on their resume or have been doing this long enough that they were able to leverage it into real positions at multiple previous firms
  • For approximately three quarters of your applicants, solving a "practical problem" on a whiteboard or a laptop under immense pressure and time constraints is a poor proxy for "problem solving and software development fundamentals"
Maybe I'm unsufficiently creative, but one of those seems way more likely than the other one.

i unironically think #1 is about as likely as #2

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Rocko Bonaparte posted:

I'm looking for some reading for something I suspect exists out there already. I'm assuming there's some rough idea of software complexity that is similar to Big O notation and it goes something like:

1. Adding new features tends to add exponential complexity because the new features have to inter-operate.
2. A lot of our shortcomings in understanding a problem come down to assuming the complexity is just linear.
3. Good software design tries its best to turn the exponential complexity into linear complexity.
4. Despite this, good software design usually just reduces the factor of exponential complexity and you still hit a point where a new feature just fucks you.

Landau notation is a way to express how a function grows, it doesn't have to be a function outputting time or space. So it's just Landau notation again

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Say "competitive"

bob dobbs is dead
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Them contacting you is a signal, but you don't need to respond

bob dobbs is dead
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Math, unlike programming, is also often done by actually old people, not 35yos calling themselves old. You also have to read dead people's math

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cliffy posted:

I’m a bit hesitant to share everything. Staff seems like the natural step between senior and principal at this company.

I have an offer in hand! Base salary is 165k + ~35k equity per year for four years. Assuming stock stays steady.

I think this is a great offer personally. I’m thinking of gently asking for a little more though. Purely from a game theoretic standpoint. It shouldn’t hurt to ask respectfully.

I get paid this and i dont have a special title

Staff at tech major ime is >250k total comp

bob dobbs is dead
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Xik posted:

I previously posted in this thread about taking a few month break from work and it's been great, I've made some big steps with various specialist re medical things to the point I'm starting to feel guilty I'm not working now. So will probably need to look at going back to work in the near-ish future.

My old team lead, who left my old place a while before I did said there is a role waiting for me at the new place he works. I already had a fairly casual interview with the CEO and a technical director before I took a break, he told me they like me etc. The technical skills fit me like a glove and the guy was a fantastic team lead when I worked for him.

So my question is has anyone in here ever "followed" a boss around before? Anything I should look out for? Advice? Any reasons not to do it?

this is basically the modus operandi of actually old peeps in silicon valley (over 50, 55, 60) who can still get jobs ime

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Paolomania posted:

Don't think that oldies only hang out in the oldie thread. Oldies also hang out in the newbie thread specifically for the purpose of giving advice.

SA has pretty much almost run out of newbies

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Hughlander posted:

SAYS THE '17!

I joined the forum shortly after the poo poo lasagna story got posted

bob dobbs is dead
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I've screened out 2 nonfizzbuzzers who claimed 5+ years exp

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lifg posted:

Adding on the the Masters chat. Getting a Masters in comp sci is a pretty traditional way for someone to make a career change. It might not be ideal in the age of bootcamps, but it's pretty weird to call it a negative signal.

The negative signal is in people who don't like computers trying to computer touch

The way to be turbo crashingly insanely bad is through actually not liking computers but still doing them. You get more of those from masters than bachelor's or non degreed peeps

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dantheman650 posted:

When a company can’t or won’t budge on base comp, what else do you all negotiate for? Already has unlimited vacation and flexible hours/flexible WFH. Signing bonus? Something else?

Unlimited < defined vacation hth

Ask for 5 weeks on the balance sheet

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Startup equity is priced perfectly by the strike price

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ultrafilter posted:

The stuff that Cambridge Analytica was doing was actually illegal. That's a crucial difference between them and the adtech people.


If the companies were working together to prevent senior people from moving around, I'm not sure how different the hiring market would look.

CCPA is a stiff penalty and will completely have jurisdiction
NYPA will be the proper death penalty. Private right of action, comparable penalty. There will be individual people who will make 10, 20 grand out of cannibalizing the adtech places and once that secret gets out it will be glorious mass individual bloodshed

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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I worked for a valley company that didn't do technical screens of any kind and like a third of the peeps who had the title developer couldn't understand for loops, it was bad

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necrobobsledder posted:

Was it this forum where someone was conducting a remote interview and when switching windows the candidate’s desktop had a wallpaper that read “5 million dead Jews.... a good start”? I’m not sure if that was a troll post but I was a team lead over several Trump supporters in early 2015 and this wouldn’t be a surprise to me if it’s true given some of the stuff I heard and couldn’t do much about because my own leadership was supportive (I’m an ethnic minority).

I got called a chink by a dude I was interviewing once

There's being racist and then there's being racist against an ethnicity that will make up like 30-60% of your coworkers

bob dobbs is dead
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You see, the only demand we should make of a professional exam for programming should be that it exclude people like how but the existing interviewing process is doing fine at it

bob dobbs is dead
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Progressive JPEG posted:

Be sure to also check for flood and mudflow/landslide risk

If you're looking to buy in CA, it is 100% valid to meet some prospective neighbors and ask "when it rains, where does the water go?"

there's maps for this poo poo so you dont have to talk to peeps

bob dobbs is dead
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kayakyakr posted:

I mean, your github will be perused. Don't worry about it.

That's a definite maybe

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TooMuchAbstraction posted:

A friend of mine asked if I'm willing to provide a reference. I've not had to do this before. My honest characterization of them would be as dedicated and hardworking, but not particularly technically strong. Would I be doing a disservice to them to describe them as such when asked? Basically, how much do I sugarcoat things?

I would lie from every orifice if you don't know the peeps who are hiring your buddy

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Sounds like great work life balance for the managers

bob dobbs is dead
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Also the actual eng may lie.

This sounds like madness, but I had good mileage just hanging around at like 6pm or whenever in a cafe across the street doin crossword puzzles after on-sites and seeing when peeps come out. Real solid data point

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Other thing you can do is show up on Saturday at the parking lot and count cars. Only works if they have their own parking lot. Only works for small places

bob dobbs is dead
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

New York City lol.

Lit windows in office

bob dobbs is dead
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No context switching for management, if they're working on one product!

(Lol :yotj:)

bob dobbs is dead
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If you got real answers out of people maybe it means something but ime it's the first and most systematic thing peeps lie about. Especially quality of experience, too

bob dobbs is dead
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"tech majors"

bob dobbs is dead
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Yeah. 0, 0, 75k, current place doing ok too

bob dobbs is dead
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Seen 30 days, seen 20 years. Usually negotiable de facto

bob dobbs is dead
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Options are given a price. You will be able to buy at that price. So you can buy stock w options for 30 cents guaranteed (strike price) and sell it on an open market for 10 bucks or whatever, that's how you make money

If you're out of the money (the strike price is lower than the market price) on startup options, you are turbofucked lol

Your decisions for comparison, the significant risks are risk of failure, liquidity of market and taxes. Taxes can turbofuck you in multiple ways

bob dobbs is dead
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loving that up is how you get turbofucked on taxes. Also that tax applies even if you're not liquid so you may be owing tax you can't pay

There are secondary markets for employee stocks. Employer attitudes towards them vary from making their own secondary markets to welcoming them to firing you if you mention it

There's a bunch of really good online dealios for simulating how much tax you'll pay. Go use those for a bit

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jan 12, 2020

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Interview thread in the 'pos has questions

bob dobbs is dead
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Yeah, interviews are full of lies on both sides

bob dobbs is dead
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The only reliable way to not get burned out is to have a drat good batna and use it. Only reliable way to not get bait and switched is to have a backchannel (or do investigation yourself, lol).

What you could do now is to bluster and pretend you have a batna, I guess

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Batna the negotiating "partner"'s balls lmao

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