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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Solkanar512 posted:

The anti-Roundup position is especially troubling to me. I spent the year after college working in a salmon stream remediation crew through a partnership between AmeriCorps/Washington Conservation Corps and the SnoCo Water District. Half of that project was maintaining a native plant nursery in Lake Stevens where we would maintain stores of native plants (reclaimed/harvested from construction sites or we were buying bulk saplings and raising them up). The other half was clearing stream areas of invasive species - primarily Reed Canary Grass, Himalayan Blackberry and loving Knotweed. Most of the removal was done mechanically, but Roundup was a really important tool to removing those invasive species in a reasonable amount of time.

Having some jackass who's scared of chemicals he can't pronounce is going to have a serious impact on our salmon streams.
You don't need all those scary chemicals to kill weeds; here, I found this recipe for a non-chemical weed killer online: https://twitter.com/glentickle/status/476913497633472512/photo/1

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Uranium Phoenix posted:

"The huge amount of people pressuring us to adopt this extremely popular thing undermines the process of democracy! :qq:"

I really hope more left candidates start running. There are plenty of other socialist groups besides Socialist Alternative, and the Greens could easily field a few. There's so many issues that are important to everyday people in Seattle that are never addressed by the political establishment, and that will continue to be ignored unless they get pressured to.
Once Seattle falls to the Socialists, the grimdark cyberpunk dystopia can finally begin.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Oregon still doesn't have legal marijuana without a green card. Portland thinks we'll totally pass that vote this year, so they've started forming committees on where shops can sell it. But, one of the caveats in the bill will be that cities can't collect taxes on marijuana; just the state. So, Portland is going to try to impose a sales tax on marijuana before that bill passes in November.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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A Republican candidate for the House and one for the Senate are doing stand-up routines in Portland to get their names out.


No, really:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDoj9QzRmSQ

anthonypants fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Aug 2, 2014

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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The guys behind 2012's Measure 80 were in the news a few months ago when they didn't pay the canvassers they hired for this year's attempt at a marijuana legalization initiative. Which also happened in 2012.

Measure 80 was really bad, I just looked up an old post and the original site is now a parked domain but in Japanese. That's okay because here's another one (the ones from the State are in pdfs and aren't ocr'd). Here's some sentences they wanted to put into the Oregon Constitution:

quote:

George Washington grew cannabis for more than 30 years and, while he was President, said, “the artificial preparation of hemp is really a curiosity” and told his Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, that he was, “suggesting the policy of encouraging the growth of Hemp”

quote:

Thomas Jefferson invented a device to process cannabis, and cannabis fiber was used for most clothing and paper production until the invention of the cotton gin

quote:

Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania, who spoke at the U.S. Constitutional Convention in 1787 more than any other delegate and of whom James Madison said, “the style and finish of the Constitution properly belongs to the pen of Gouverneur Morris,” wrote a paper he sent to Thomas Jefferson called, “Notes Respecting Tobacco” that compared cannabis and tobacco and concluded that cannabis “is to be preferred”

quote:

Whereas the people hold that cannabis prohibition is a sumptuary law of a nature repugnant to our constitution’s framers and which is so unreasonable and liberticidal as to:

(c) Unnecessarily proscribe consumption of a “herb bearing seed” given to humanity in Genesis 1:29, thereby violating their unqualified religious rights under Article 1, Section 3 and their Natural Rights under Article 1, Section 33 of the Oregon Constitution
I'm looking at the text of Measure 91 and I don't see any references to George Washington or the bible, so I'm hopeful about this one.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Schwack posted:

Didn't the guy who ended up fronting the measure also have a fairly extensive criminal history? I remember there being a pretty reasonable 'smear' campaign behind Measure 80 simply because it was so terribly written.
You're probably thinking of Douglas Paul Stanford, one of the chief petitioners for what became Measure 80. He founded The Hemp and Cannabis Foundation (get it?????????????????) and this is the first hit on Google with his name; he was arrested in 2011 for failing to pay income taxes in 2008 and 2009, to which he pled guilty, and in 2010 the IRS revoked his organization's tax-exempt status. Here's a 2007 bio from the Willamette Week in 2007, which is really long but it covers a lot.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Oregon's ACA healthcare exchange was a massive clusterfuck after it was rolled out, and we eventually dropped it this year in favor of using the federal exchange instead. If you haven't seen the video yet, John Oliver covered it on his HBO show. One of the things he made fun of was the twee garbage ads they made for Cover Oregon, and the advertising company hired to do those ads got really upset and responded in an open letter on their blog.

Oregon placed the blame on Oracle, the organization the state health authority hired to build our exchange, and our governor told everyone a few months ago that we were probably going to sue them. Except today, Oracle sued Oregon. It doesn't help that Oregon was extremely loving stupid about this contract, but Oracle is a pretty incompetent organization so I'm having a really tough time picking a side here.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Ardennes posted:

John Oliver's rant really shows how none of the rest of the US really has any idea what Oregon actually is like, and just takes the usual half-assed route like Portlandia does.
To be fair, like 90% of the people in Portland have no idea what Oregon actually is like.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Ernie Muppari posted:

The side that isn't loving Oracle.
You'd think so, but their complaint raises some valid concerns, like this one courtesy of the ACA thread:

cowtown posted:

Oracle Chief Corporate Architect Edward Screven posted:

Garrett,
Oracle employees on site in Durham report that in a meeting today you stated that you now have Siebel Administrator privilege, and you have used that privilege to directly make environment and application changes to the production environment. Is this correct?
Following established change control procedures is essential. Making any change to production without following proper procedure puts the system at risk, both at the time of the change and later, during upgrades. If you have made such changes, please send a written description of each change, including when you made it. Also, please do not make any more changes.

Cover Oregon Chief Technology Officer Garrett Reynolds posted:

On 1/16/2014 6:28 PM, Reynolds Garrett wrote:
I thought Cover Oregon paid for and owned the system....
Thanks
Or this one:

paragraph 16 posted:

On September 18, 2013—mere days before the October 1 deadline—Cover Oregon’s Executive Director still had not grasped the deep substantive challenges to going live that his organization had created in the development process. He repeatedly conveyed concern about the "sizzle not the steak" of the massive IT project, as evidenced by a lengthy email he wrote to an Oracle consultant in which he described his desire to make the website look good, and apparently assumed the ongoing functional challenges would resolve themselves:

quote:

Probably everyone will disagree with me[,] my staff, yours, consultants actually [sic] I know they would disagree with me – but step back and have a discussion with Aaron [Karjala]. Take a customer perspective rather than an IT perspective. Again, I do not want to detract from the priority 1’s that must be done to go live 10/1 but drat, if the road is going to be be [sic] bumpy, let me at least be driving a good looking car.
Emphasis in original.

anthonypants fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Aug 9, 2014

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Hedera Helix posted:

Is this going to affect people who are already enrolled?
No. The exchange is just a marketplace; if you got insurance through Cover Oregon, your involvement with Cover Oregon is over. If you want to get new insurance through the exchange, you'll have to go to Healthcare.gov.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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FRINGE posted:

This always reeks of rear end-covering. HAHA! Your fault, our contract says so! No matter how we poo poo our pants its your fault!
That part's not, at least. If your job is to work on and maintain a thing, it makes your job incredibly difficult when someone comes in and fucks with it without telling you what they did. Keeping a record of the things you've done and the things you're planning to do is just good documentation.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Cicero posted:

Right, but demand for high-end housing isn't infinite. Once the lower-hanging fruit is taken, it seems like developers would still prefer making some profit via building middle-class housing rather than doing nothing.
Actually, if you'll bring your attention to this chart, you'll see that growth rates continue to climb.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Ardennes posted:

I think the Streetcar has a place and for the most part has reached the goals it needed to which is mostly a circulator around the CBD and some nearby neighborhoods. In the sense of taxes and development, it has probably paid for itself or will in a short amount of time and most of the money came for it came from TIFs and federal money.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Ardennes posted:

Basically his only opponent during the race imploded because the Oregonian and the local media ran a daily story for weeks about the fact he once punched a girl in college at a party. That said, your right though Hales was anti-homeless from the beginning and even the Mercury backed him.

Portland sure is wacky isn't it.
That and his driver's license got revoked like seven times in ten years?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Thanatosian posted:

You guys should just rebuild that bridge on your own, then toll the poo poo out of it.

loving hate Vancouverites.
Literally this entire post.

Ardennes posted:

At this point Vancouver/Clark County is happy to build the bridge now the CRC is finally dead, just without tolls, rail and Oregon has to pay half of the local costs. It sounds like a deal.

Also some politician up there wants to build a freeway bridge up near Camas to Troutdale (literally on the edge of wilderness)...he probably has already told a bunch of his buddies to buy property around there.
Yeah, but without grant money from the feds, they're going to end up paying more anyway.

It's not like the CRC project wasn't without problems; we couldn't get the Coast Guard to sign off on the design because the bridge they decided on was too low after how many years of planning? And then they started freaking out because it was running up to the deadline to get the federal money. God.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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xrunner posted:

That's exactly what we did with the sellwood bridge. Except the toll part. What I'm saying is portland has a history of building bridges for our neighbors... Who mostly just poo poo talk
That one was hilarious. The only thing we asked Clackamas to pay was five dollars a year from vehicle registration, and they took it to referendum where it was voted down 63-37.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Thanatosian posted:

If you were wondering why Clackamas rejected it: this is why.

Like, if you would actually force them to pay for their poo poo, they would have to either accept the tax increase, or move the gently caress to Portland.

Oh, that's why you don't do it; you're scared they'll do the latter. Maybe it's a worthwhile price to pay.
The county unanimously voted in favor of the bridge, because they realize that their constituents do use the bridge and benefit from the bridge. It's the crazy right-wing fuckers like the CEO of Stimson Lumber who dumped huge amounts of money to create the "Stop Portland Creep" campaign, and then you have dense shitheads like Lars Larson who refer to TriMet as the "Crime Train". Because criminal junkies are going to ride the MAX from downtown Portland straight into Clackamas, and not the other way around.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Kaal posted:

Yeah interstate traffic would be snarled, but Portland is much better equipped for dealing with that than Vancouver. There's certainly more cost effective ways of getting intracity commuters to their work and back than building a bridge to Vancouver. It's a major N/S corridor, but Oregon isn't really harmed if the commercial traffic heading to Washington or British Columbia has to route around Portland. I mean sure, it would be better if Washington had joined with Oregon and built the Columbia River Crossing, but frankly those bridges are much more to the benefit of Vancouver than Portland. Portland can live without them pretty easily and still be Portland - Vancouver without those bridges is a ghost town.
It affects Portland because of all the commuters who drive here from Vancouver.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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SyHopeful posted:

Regardless of residence, if you work in Oregon you pay Oregon income tax, so OR is getting something out of Vancouverites.

I lived in Vantucky for 6 years before I came to my senses and moved to the other side of the river. gently caress that strip mall hell hole. Hope you enjoy stoplights, because you'll spend most of your time in Vancouver in front of a red one.
Don't you get it refunded at the end of the year though?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Let's get some freight rail going along I-5, that'll gently caress with Clark County.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Chantilly Say posted:

Let's run freight rail lines all over the metro and let people hop rides on passing boxcars to get around.
Unironically do this to get conservative opponents airing ads of murderous hobos running the rail.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Thanatosian posted:

Could we actually ship some murderous hobos into Clark County?
But that's where they already live!!

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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How many tons of freight traffic goes across the I-5 bridge in each direction?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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MrKatharsis posted:

Are you goons seriously confusing chik-fil-a with fried chicken?
Yes, because no one in the PNW knows what Chik-fil-A is known for.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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mod sassinator posted:

If I had a lot of disposable income I would seriously try to bring a Steak 'n Shake franchise to Seattle. Plop one down near Dicks in Capitol Hill or Queen Anne and keep it open 24 hours, then bathe in the money that rolls in.
Same, but In-n-Out in Portland.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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I've never heard of Dick's apart from the one that's already here, but people will not shut up about In-n-Out.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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This is the Pacific Northwest Thread, so...

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Reason posted:

Oldschool in Olympia is great for that real college pizza joint feel, it also is pretty good real merican pizza. What is neapolitan pizza? Is it like thin crust fusion pizzas? I see those everywhere and sometimes they can be good especially with bbq sauce and bacon.
No, it's a very plain pie with mozzarella and basil.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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HondaCivet posted:

Speaking of pizza, where can I get good deep dish pizza in Portland? It seems a big hard to find around here. :(
Thick is a food cart downtown, they're open for lunch.

Hedera Helix posted:

Are there any places that serve Neapolitan pizza in Portland? I'd like to try it out, after reading about it here.
Like any goddamn where. Dove Vivi, Ken's Artisan, Apizza Scholls, Nostrana, there are a ton of pizza places in Portland.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Ardennes posted:

Yeah one thing Portland is not lacking is tons of pizza of multiple varieties including gluten-free/vegan.

What can't you find in Portland? Non-steakhouse Brazilian food? West African?
Decent Chinese.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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LGD posted:

Have you tried Lucky Strike?
No thanks, I'm trying to quit.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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xrunner posted:

Honest question. Where exactly do the people who comment on stories in the Oregonian come from? They're always so hateful... Case in point http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2014/08/cinthya_garcia-cisneros_releas.html#incart_m-rpt-1 I'm alan bittig in the comments. Which is also my real name because I kind of hate hiding behind a pseudonym. Now, not to get too deeply into my own history, but when I was 12 (1992) I watched my own 7 year old brother get killed by a car. Nate was (stupidly, as kids do) playing in the street, and the driver was (stupidly) doing 60 in a 30. I've never held either responsible. It was a horrible accident. As was this. So why, beyond the tint of the drivers skin, are people so concerned with bringing down the hammer. Personally, I just want to shake this young woman's hand and assure her it's not her fault.
Have you lived in the area long? A lot of people in Oregon, especially rural Oregon, loving hate Mexican immigrants.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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His Republican opponent, Dennis Richardson, is some John McCain-lookin fucker who's a lawyer and a state rep outside of Medford. The gubernatorial debates should start next month. Considering the beating Kitzhaber's going to take over Cover Oregon, he's probably going to win. Remember, Chris Dudley only lost by a point and a half.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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glowing-fish posted:

A Republican candidate is "probably" going to win in Oregon, for the first time since 1986?
The Cover Oregon debacle is probably going to be an issue, but I think most voters who aren't against the idea of government health care in the first place see it as a technical problem, not as a political issue.

Chris Dudley did well because it was a a) wave election b) he had name recognition without any political baggage and c) he was a Yale graduate who lived in Lake Oswego. He had some suburban appeal.

Suburban voters in Clackamas/Washington/Marion counties aren't going to vote for a conservative true believe, especially one from the Medford area.

I mean, there is a chance he could do really well in the debates and scrape out a victory, but I can't see how he will "probably" win.
Yeah. I don't have a lot of confidence in Kitzhaber.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Kazak_Hstan posted:

Not an Oregonian, why is Merkley's challenger dodging debates? It's usually the other way around.
She's crazy. Not as crazy as Art Robinson, but still crazy.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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The CEO of the company that caters Safeco Field was shown abusing a dog in an elevator in a Vancouver, BC hotel back in July. Part of his defense was that it wasn't his dog, but that appears to be a lie.

Happy National Dog Day!

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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Reason posted:

this poo poo, some libertarian 'think' tank is boycotting a national holiday because freedom or something also look at this guys head.



Forcing you to work monday for are freedoms
"I can't think of a problem in society that can't be traced in some way back to the abuses of organized labor, and it would be hypocritical of us to take a day off on its behalf." Societal problems like how the five-day, 40-hour work week is indicative of a lazy work ethic, or how the lack of child labor is what sends all of our manufacturing jobs overseas.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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And The Elliott is selling the Elliott State Forest to timber companies.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
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mod sassinator posted:

Was down in Portland for the weekend, and late at night I saw a traffic light go from solid red to blinking red and then completely off. WTF, is that normal?
What part of Portland? Guessing Beaverton/Hillsboro.

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

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SyHopeful posted:

From what I understand, SA has kept Sawant's schedule pretty full flying her around the country (and also London) to help build chapters and give support to local campaigns. She's pretty drat busy.
Lowtax really ought to focus on fixing the forums instead of pandering to politicians like this.

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