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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bean Fried posted:

I'm surprised the UFC hasn't tried to run a show in Seoul yet.

Running a show in Seoul seems like so much of a slam-dunk over all the other asian shows they've done that I'm starting to think there's some kind of behind-the-scenes thing preventing them.

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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Seltzer posted:

For now the UFC shows have taken place in Macau which is a SAR (special administrative region) largely beholden to it's own laws and it is the Vegas of the east so it makes sense to hold shows there.

To expand on this a little - the people that own the casinos in Macau are largely the same people that own the casinos in Vegas, so the UFC has an existing working relationship with most of them that makes holding shows there orders of magnitude easier.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Sprecherscrow posted:

Does Station have holdings out there?

Not sure, but Zuffa never does shows at casinos they own.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

arielhelwani posted:

RT @SaintMMA: Jones speaking with @arielhelwani, reveals he was just now randomly blood tested by the Maryland State Athletic Commission.


arielhelwani posted:

I'm told Glover Teixeira was also recently randomly drug tested, as well.


arielhelwani posted:

Fascinating being there when Bones was asked to get blood/urine tested randomly at the gym. He asked for it and UFC is paying for it.


arielhelwani posted:

More on the 172 drug testing: Teixeira was tested 10 days ago, per his team. Today was Jones' first test. He said he was hoping for another.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
TAM were a good gym before and will be a good gym after Ludwig leaves, but before Ludwig all of them sucked out loud at striking and I suspect much the same will be true afterwards.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
caff was a fun poster. w00bi was and is an idiot.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

MassRafTer posted:

Wanderlei Silva tries to get people to donate to charity and do good things for society, Chael Sonnen says funny things and scams people out of their livelihood. I can see why people are so apt to support Chael's sociopathic tendencies, but I'll stick with Wandy.

I don't actually think either thing you said is true.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

SUPER NEAT TOY posted:

I'd probably take 'being the fall man in a real estate scheme' over 'physically assaulting teenagers'.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

-Atom- posted:

Same but Chael

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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Pretty Lady Blob posted:

Pretty sure FS1 is about the break the news on Ronda vs. Gina in a few minutes.

Edit: They teased it like they were gonna announce Ronda's next fight and then they just ended up talking about Gina possibly returning. I've been hoodwinked.

Edit 2: Ok now they ran some actual news. Reem is gonna join Jackson/Winkeljohn.

I expect that'll go just as well as their last chinny heavyweight who looks like an action figure

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

quote:

Nick Diaz relayed before and after UFC 171 that he’s ready to return to action, but it remains to be seen if the welterweight will take the promotion’s latest offer.

According to multiple reports, UFC President Dana White relayed at a media luncheon today in Los Angeles, that the organization has offered Diaz a bout with Hector Lombard. White claims that Diaz intially expressed an interest in the fight, but that since then, he hasn’t “heard” from the accomplished fighter.


That fight could go a number of ways, all of them stupid

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

quote:

On Wednesday, UFC president Dana White said he offered Nick Diaz a fight against Hector Lombard and was waiting to hear back from him.

"I tried to make Nick and Lombard," White said. "Nick and I talked, and I haven't heard back from him, he went MIA."

However, in a rare interview on Wednesday, Diaz told MMAFighting that he has already made his intentions and expectations clear.

"I never considered anything other than to renegotiate my contract or fight Johny Hendricks," he said. "All I said was, What am I getting paid? And he said, Let me check your contract. And the last text I got from him was what I would be fighting for. I didn't consider fighting for that kind of money. I didn't say anything back to him, right, but usually that means something. I'm not considering even for a second fighting any of those guys for less than $500,000. There's no way.

"I'm retired. Completely retired. Unless the UFC wants to renegotiate for something I'm happy with or I'm going to be fighting for the world title, which is obviously going to be for something I'm happy with because I'll make a ton of money.

"The UFC wants me to fight. The people want me to fight. I don't want me to fight. So if we're going to need me to fight, we're going to have to work out the right deal."

Last month, at UFC 171 in Dallas, Diaz told the media that he was interested in fighting again, but the 30-year-old, who last fought in March 2013, revealed on Wednesday that he is in no rush to return to action anytime soon and never wanted to fight in the first place.

"I'm not in love with fighting. I never was. That's crazy. I don't love to fight; I don't want to fight. I get my rear end beat more when I win a fight than when I lose. I know you don't want to get your rear end beat. I feel the same way. I feel the exact same way about retirement. I could give a f*ck.

"I'm not going backwards in this sport ever, especially in pay. Why would I? To get my rear end whooped? No. I would rather work at Wal-Mart. I have enough money to buy a nice house, do some gigs, save some money. I feel like this whole popularity thing keeps escalating, too. It's weird. Everywhere I go, I get stopped. If I make eye contact with someone, they're like, Whoa, you're Nick Diaz! So I could do signings for a while.

"But I'm not so sure my heart was ever in it. I don't know what that means. If I'm getting paid what I want to get paid, hell yeah I'm into it. I'm not into it if it's not worth it to me. If they want to renegotiate, I like that. But if not, then I don't give a sh*t. I never loved fighting. I never wanted to fight. That's probably why I come off the way I do. These guys, either they're all a bunch of freaks and weirdos or they put on a front. I do martial arts. They line up a guy to fight, so that's who I fight.

"I got my rear end kicked in a sandbox by some kid when I was six years old. This Mexican kid whooped my rear end. I was so pissed. I was bleeding, sand all over mouth. I was so pissed. I didn't like it then, and I still don't like it now. It's all fun and games until you get in there and try to fight somebody."

Naturally, Diaz has been paying close attention to his brother's ongoing issues with the UFC, and like any good, older sibling, he feels somewhat responsible for getting his young brother Nate in this predicament to begin with.

"You see this stuff about my brother right now? I gotta watch him go through that bullsh*t. It's kinda harsh. That's my brother. That's my fault that he's even in this. He doesn't want to fight either, but he's not going to get a job at Wal-Mart, and he didn't make a million dollars his last fight. So he doesn't have a lot of options, and I don't like that. Something needs to be done about that, especially when you have someone as entertaining as my brother."

Diaz, who has been fighting for almost 13 years, feels he has nothing to prove to anyone in MMA. So it all comes down to that contract. If he can't get what he feels he deserves, he's at peace with never fighting again.

"I'm ready to fight for the right money. It's worth maybe getting your face smashed in for that much money. But for less, I'd rather get a regular job and be that guy who used to fight, made a title run, Showtime/Strikeforce champion. What are they going to say? Oh, he was a never a UFC champion. I don't really give a f*ck. I was never getting my rear end whooped either.

"I'm going to go to that [Manny] Pacquiao fight [Saturday night in Las Vegas]. I'm going to be the only UFC fighter there. Watch. What a bunch of ignorant motherf*ckers. They're all fighting, but they don't understand boxing. They don't watch boxing. When people knock people out [in MMA], it's by accident. And then they go crazy. Have you ever seen me knock somebody out and make a big scene? Hell no. I threw my hands up and walk around pissed off because, f*ck, that could have been me. That wasn't fun."

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
"I don't love to fight, I don't want to fight" is indeed something coming from a guy who jumped his opponent in a hospital because he was pissed about the decision.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Xguard86 posted:

poo poo I was just coming here to post that.

Also urijahs hobbies are painting and real estate. The next magic Johnson.

He more closely resembles the next Magic Mike

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

ChampRamp posted:

I didn't see it posted, but Reem is switching to Greg Jackson's camp. I feel so conflicted.

fatherdog posted:

I expect that'll go just as well as their last chinny heavyweight who looks like an action figure

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
When I say International you say

FIGHT WEEK
FIGHT WEEK

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bubba Smith posted:

Yeah. Rousey, Weidman, Machida, Hendo, Cormier, Sonnen, Wanderlei, and even a popular bum with Uriah Hall. And that's only half the card so far.

I very much doubt that card stays intact, but if it does that's a 1 million PPV buyrate card.

After Weidman/Silva II did over a million, I'm somewhat interested to see what Weidman's next card does.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

Because I bought fightpass to see bad fighters who I don't like beat great fighters who I love, I watched Mike Pierce v Johny Hendricks. Its fun to look back on the best welterweight in the world when he was on his way up. The fight was actually really good and competitive. Rogan's rap was that they were mirror images of each other. Knowing what we know now, I don't think he can be knocked out. Hendricks hit him with clean shots from both hands. Neither guy had any success with takedowns, but I guess Hendricks was pushing harder in the first two rounds. In the third Hendricks got tired and Pierce put him on his back, where hendricks tried to hold his head with both hands, and also did some hip escapes that didn't work while Pierce landed elbows to his face. But he got up after a little bit when he landed an upkick while spazzing out. After that Hendricks actually attacked again and did some good stuff but ended the fight failing at a takedown. And um in other news people here might be interested in, Chael was Pierce's cornerman.

Hendricks had a lot of really close fights coming up, as I believe you noted when he was bitching about the GSP decision. I think he turned a corner sometime shortly before the Condit fight; as I said at the time he seemed to have improved technically by a pretty big leap in that match.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

I happened to have watched Condit v Hendricks just now, and its interesting. I only ever noticed it before now in the Woodley fight, but somehow even if a guy can land clean punches on condit, and can take him down reliably, Condit can still cut the cage off and land big combinations on the guy. Also Hendricks didnt pace himself at all, and got real tired in the third. In the third round theres a perfect shot with the camera right down the pipe on a right hand Condit hits where you can see Hendricks eyes roll back in his head.

I'm not sure how much of that is Hendricks not pacing himself and how much is Condit just setting a pace he can't keep up with. Condit has ruined a lot of guys in later rounds and I don't think that's by accident.

quote:

From the fights I've watched so far, I haven't seen much on the ground from Hendricks. Condit's guard was too good for him to do anything. When Pierce had him on his back, he couldn't do much do defend himself until the upkick bought him some space, but Pierce had a lot more energy than he did at that point.

I don't know what I was expecting, but I'm a little surprised I havent seen any good ground and pound from him

An interesting difference between Hendricks and GSP is that they're both about equally good at taking guys down/preventing themselves from being taken down, but when GSP takes a guy down they're pretty much down for the duration but Hendricks seems to have a really hard time keeping guys on the ground after he gets them there.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

I just finished Hendricks v TJ Grant. Great fight. The first round was amazing. They were already pretty good at striking. Goldberg said Hendricks told him that he'd been focusing only on striking for a year. Grant landed two low blows to Jonny, one in the first round, where the ref left Hendricks near his corner where he got advice from Marc laimon. The first round was at an insane pace, and both guys were only in decent shape, not incredible like they are now.

The second round wasn't as fast but it was still brutal. Between the second and third Laimon told hendricks he was down 0-2 in the corner and had to get a knock down to win it, then he came out and got kicked in the nuts and got a point that way. Hes very aware of how to work the refs in a fight. Against Brennamen, who was out wrestling him by a bit, Hendricks got stuck against the fence while Brennamen inched towards having him down, and as soon as the crowd boo'd hendricks started playing to the ref to try and get it stood up (and it was stood up).

Grant hurt him badly a couple times in the fight, but he wasn't even in as good a shape as Jny, who was gassed out in the third. Hendricks got him down quite a few times, but Grant stood up or was let up without taking any damage. he even "threatened" with an inverted triangle choke and a straight armbar thing. In the third when hendricks had him down and didnt even throw anything for awhile, Laimon was yelling Lesnar Mir Smash him! But he couldn't land anything, then Laimon yelled "Fedor!!" and Hendricks postured way up and tried to throw a big clubbing right hand to TJ's head but wiffed. As soon as he did it TJ Grant stood up immediately, owning Fedor.

But yeah hendricks didn't land a single good gnp shot, or even really look like he knew how to set one up. Against Grant and Condit there were times just gave up and let them up. Against GSP he got in GSP's guard after gsp slipped on the beer logo, did nothing for awhile, and let him up.

It makes sense Hendricks striking is really blossoming now since he's been training on it hard for five years, and he has natural gifts for it. Also, compared to the Grant/Brennamen fights, he's a lot thicker now, and his cardio is way better. But man he's been through a lot of BRUTAL and grueling fights. Grant, Story, Pierce, Condit and Lawler really hit him a lot. GSP and Koscheck both hit him pretty good too, but nothing like those five fights.

Looking back at both these and the GSP fight, it seems to me that Hendricks started as a guy that was really good at wrestling and blessed with punching power, and that now he's a guy who's really good at wrestling, pretty good at striking, blessed with punching power and mediocre at bjj/ground game. His striking has obviously improved, his striking defense against Condit was impressive, his wrestling is still great, but he still doesn't get much done on people once he gets them on the ground.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Gregor Samsa posted:

Could someone explain to me where the unbearably stupid "WAR ______!!!!1!1" poo poo came from in places like Sherdog and the UG? for like 10+ yearsI haven't known what it could possibly mean and for some reason I've decided I must know.

While Lost For Words' link correctly identifies the Auburn battle cry as the origin, I believe using "WAR ____" to cheer on non-Auburn things originated on the Jim Rome show.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
As a longstanding Sakuraba fan my ire for Wanderlei dates back to long before he and Chael were ever mentioned in the same sentence.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

david carmichael posted:

I have no idea what "fight IQ" means. Sakrabab had an excellent single, and was good enough at wrestling and catch to control a lot of dudes on the ground. He beat some very good grapplers by being much larger than them, and when he fought dudes he couldn't muscle around (who had any clue whatsoever as to what they were doing) he was crushed. Viciously.

The only dudes Saku ever fought that he had a significant size advantage over were Royler and Minowa.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Captain Log posted:

Also, why does Jones have to be one of the coolest fighters in the cage and lamest out of the cage? I'm still one of the last Fedor (in his prime) fans, but Bones is too far for me because he just seems like a straight up petulant child.

I would imagine that becoming the literal best in the world at something about three years after you start it probably doesn't do a lot for your sense of humility, and given that he decided to start fighting because he knocked up his girlfriend and needed to make some money he was probably a bit of a dope to begin with.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
Someone make a thread for the Frankie/BJ TUF before I give everyone Jersey-Shore-related custom titles

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
Another fine Tiger Schulmann product

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

1st AD posted:

Why do people pay money to train there? I get the impression that it's a total McDojo.

Good advertising, aggressive recruitment of guys with wrestling experience, and local promoters give TSK guys favorable matchups because every TSK fighter is guaranteed to sell 500 tickets minimum for every show they're on.

Also, the two locations that actually train fighters aren't McDojos, they just aren't that great.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
lol at BJ

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

MycroftXXX posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they can also give they're fighters jobs at their mcdojos so they can basically get paid to train.

I totally didn't realize TUF was starting. Woops.

Yeah, that's another reason they tend to do well on the local level, they have a lot more guys training essentially full time.

In other news -

quote:

So, why exactly did the payoff for the long-running Wanderlei Silva vs. Chael Sonnen feud get pushed back again? Well, remember that brawl that the two engaged in that aired last week on TUF: Brazil? Apparently, there were repercussions that went past the moment.

"That fight's going to happen," White said. "What happens is Wanderlei got hurt in the fight. He got double-legged on the concrete. He hurt his back. He hurt his hand punching Chael in the head. He got injured, so he couldn't fight on time because he got hurt f---ing coaching the show. It's just disgusting."


wrestling: The best art for streetfights

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
The UFC is currently having a press conference in Shaq's house.

God bless this idiotic sport.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

They definitely played up his performance against Fitch as a good one. I can't totally remember that fight, but I remember a lot of posters here knew what happened so maybe someone will tell us. Also I remember one time I remembered it wrong and got owned

iirc in the Fitch fight he rightfully lost 29-28, but it was notable because the round he clearly won was round 3, and anyone winning round 3 against Fitch was kind of weird.

My take on Pierce was that he's really good but fights with absolutely no sense of urgency even when the fight is obviously really close, which leads to him getting hosed on decisions. I might be exaggerating how many times that's happened, though.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Dantu posted:

I dvr'd Kennedy v Bisping. Worth watching?

It wasn't a GREAT match, but it was decent. If I had missed the event I'd call it worth watching, although I doubt I'll ever watch it again.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

I watched Rocha's next fight today, against Mike Pierce. 29 years old, less than ten fights. First UFC fight Ellenberger. Second UFC fight Mike Pierce. Pierce is better than Ellenberger, if anything. Pierce didn't want anything to do with Rocha's guard in the first round, even when he got him down. Rocha is huge, strong as gently caress, good at striking, and great at grappling. I'd like to hear a jiu jitsu guy run down the guards/techniques Rocha uses in round 2 when Pierce decided to try out his guard. I feel like Rocha just got a chance to feel what the top level was in terms of taking hits and fighting at a tiring pace, and he got shitcanned. They should have let him fight Paul Bradley.

Remind me sometime this weekend; I think I have the prelims for that on my hd somewhere and I wouldn't mind rewatching that.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Rich Franklin posted:

I have been in talks with ONE FC about taking a job with them. They offered me a position as VP. I will be heading to ONE FC headquarters in the next few weeks to work out the details. I met with Dana and Lorenzo at the end of last year and they gave me their blessing. I will keep you posted.


That could have interesting implications regarding the relationship between the UFC and OneFC.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

1st AD posted:

Aldo probably doesn't even get PPV points

What on earth makes you think this

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

1st AD posted:

I always assumed that the only fighters making points were ones who actually drove PPV buys?

Mighty Mouse has 'em.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

MassRafTer posted:

I was under the impression he didn't when he was quoted as saying he didn't care about fighting on PPV and liked just being on Fox (or something to that effect.) It's cool that he could be making more money but is happy with his positioning.

He specifically said that HIS ppvs wouldn't do enough buys for him to make more money than he does fighting on FOX. Dana and Lorenzo have already said that guys with ppv points who fight on free shows get compensated for the fact that they're on free shows.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Nibbles141 posted:

Don't fighters get PPV points automatically on obtaining a title?

Nobody knows, but it's likely.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
My opponents were excellent runners and very fast, and my 4:57:09 time is very respectable considering I was running with two broken legs and an undiagnosed conjoined twin

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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
Obviously I don't know if she's on anything, but she'd be loving huge whether she was or not. Steroids don't make you 6'5".

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