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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Gorilla Glass 3 is some serious poo poo. I have a Pebble Time Steel and the other day I was standing at the door jamb at work talking to a coworker. Raised my hand to show him something and clocked the gently caress out of my watch face on the little metal lock plate... enough to take paint off of it and onto my Pebble screen. I mean it was a loud enough hit for my coworker to look at me with an "oh poo poo" look. Rubbed the paint off and not a single tiny scratch.

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
So I'm back on the Windows Phone bandwagon for a bit. My 2013 Moto X straight up died. Like... just perished and won't charge/boot/nothing.

I had $60 in Best Buy credit and the 640 is $60 there so I went ahead and got it. I probably won't stay on it and will give it to my wife after I find out what my real replacement will be but yeah for $60 it's a great phone. Touch accuracy for texting and stuff seems weirdly off but it's not a deal killer (doesn't happen all the time).

However I did have a fun little adventure getting it to work. My Moto X has the nano sim which I cut myself (from a Cricket micro sim)... now the 640 only takes a micro sim so I can't really make the one I cut into a nano sim bigger (at least not easily).

So I took my utility knife, lifted the metal part out of the included go phone micro sim, then lifted the existing metal off of my custom cut nano sim, got some craft glue and glued the small metal portion into the space on the micro sim and... voila! It actually worked.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Welp, back to my 2013 Moto X as it only needed a hard reboot, but still... the 640 is a loving helluva phone for $60. I'm genuinely surprised it's so cheap. That's ridiculous. I'm keeping it around as a backup/burner but the app situation just looks insurmountable as far as I can see. One thing it opened my eyes to is the size. The Moto X is tiny in comparison and I now need the 6P.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I know I say it all the time, but I just love how sleek and still relevant the OS feels. It's the best experience of the three in my opinion. Hate having to switch back to Android :(.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Chasiubao posted:

I've had a 640 for several months now, and I honestly don't notice the processor being old or slow or not good (but I don't play games on my phone so maybe that'd be an issue?).

Yeah, I mean for a phone that you can get for $40 off contract it's stellar.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Chasiubao posted:

Just after a month and my Band 2 can't hold a charge anymore :bravo:

MS is pretty good with Hardware quality so I'm gonna say it's a fluke and I'm sure you'll get it easily replaced.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

Ah, man, unimpressive internals, but otherwise it sure would have been more interesting if this had been Microsofts Lumia take instead:



Japanese company, up on the Verge now.

All I can see is "ANUS"

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

loquacius posted:

Is MS actually planning on doing anything with the Band? I haven't seen a second of marketing, or any mentions of it anywhere at all other than product announcements and the occasional person in an online MS discussion space talking about how great it is.

I see commercials all the time for the Band 2.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

I am unsure how launching a WP phone would create distance from WP really.

Well it won't be WP. It's just a Windows.... Phone. Not Windows Phone... Phone.


So basically just a rebranding of it as an extension of Windows instead of a separate ecosystem.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Is Zune really something that people have a lot of fondness for? I found it to be an absolute chore to use.

Dude Zune was way ahead of it's time... how was it a chore??

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

I hate the doom and gloom angle this thread likes to take, but that actually doesn't sound good at all. Why explicitly announce the end of the Lumia devices? Hopefully still a matter of a Surface phone, but bringing that out sure doesn't require announcing what they are not going to do.

I think it means the Surface Phone is imminent. That will be MS's last hurrah and if it doesn't work (it won't because MS doesn't seem to know how to unite behind a product - at least in any sort of PR/Marketing sense that is tangible to the public) that will be the end of WP.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

The Lord Bude posted:

I didn't mean it from the perspective of how well they're performing financially, more from the point of view of my perception of the declining quality of their products. The two aren't necessarily related, there are many companies than manage to be hugely profitable despite producing poor quality products (or sometimes because of it).

Everything outside of their mobile division has generally increased in quality of the years. The Surface is great and gets better every iteration. Windows 10 is awesome. They have some seriously cool stuff in their research division. Their other general hardware is, as it has been for a long time, quality solid stuff. They make high quality app versions of their software.

And hell even Windows Phone is pretty solid ... they just don't seem to want put anything more behind supporting it.

I'm really not getting where you see "declining quality."

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Shumagorath posted:

If Band ends up being killed off is there any other wearable on the market that does everything it does (music control, programmed workouts I can write myself, sleep tracking, etc)?

I don't know about preprogrammed workouts but the pebble time steel is great. Built like a tank, waterproof, great fitness tracking, sleep tracking and music control and they update it pretty often with a serious bent towards health tracking. The new one comes out soon with bigger better everything and heart rate monitor built in.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Yeah people that want Windows Phone to succeed feel that a sort of single device Surface Phone approach may help turn some positive public opinion their way and maybe stave off the death of the platform.

I mean it won't work, but it's a nice thought.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Foxtrot_13 posted:

They were right, most people will only ever use a small amount of apps.

The problem is the apps used is different from person to person.

Exactly... It always funnels down to just a few apps but your ecosystem still has to start at the top of the funnel! It can't start at the loving nozzle.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

If a surface phone comes along before I have to replace my 950 with an SE I will buy it. I will consider Android only when the update track record actually gets clearly spelled out over a couple of years at a time. The phone landscape is quite depressing.

The phone landscape is only depressing if you're still holding out hope for WP.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

YeahTubaMike posted:

This is the stuff that finally pushed me into the loving arms of Android. My phone is nearly unusable, but it's all I've got until my new phone arrives on Wednesday. :sigh:

If you've never had glasses, there's this moment for people that get new glasses for the first time where they walk outside and realize they've never been able to see the leaves on trees. It's like a universal moment. People walk out and go "holy poo poo trees having loving leaves on them! I can see them individually!"

That's how it's going to be with Android. Except with apps instead of leaves.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

UHD posted:

I still have my 950 even though it has screen burn in like my old 1020, mostly because i don't want to spend a bucket of money on a new phone, but also i have no idea what phones are cool and good to own anymore.

Still like Windows phone but :rip: this dumb abandoned platform

Moto G5 Plus - $299 unlocked (less if you do lock screen adverts from Amazon). It's a frickin' great phone.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

RVProfootballer posted:

Careful, we don't really know how they're going to update their phones. Plenty of Android oems have promised updates that never arrived. That said, a cheap Nokia or cheap Moto (G5+ or dirt cheap E4) are definitely the worthwhile cheap Android phones.

The 32gig/3gig RAM G5S Plus just came out from Motorola and is like, $230 unlocked for the next week I think. It's a great phone if the regular G5 Plus (which I own) is to go off of.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Guillermus posted:

I missed on an offer from my carrier (I'm going to need a new tablet) wich consisted in a Moto G5S and a Lenovo 10" tablet for 5€/month (24 month duration) wich was a fantastic deal and that G5S is a big upgrade for my wife's Huawei P8 Lite.

Of course I just bought a G5 Plus the other day and thought "huh... the only thing lacking is the camera."

It's good just not great. Then like, 2 months after I got my G5 Plus Moto is like "oh hey here's your phone with a better camera!"

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Flipperwaldt posted:

Moto G5+, but it doesn't matter. You can find reports of this going back to Lollipop, when Doze was introduced. It being not that widespread is probably the reason it'll never get fixed unless the calendar store gets overhauled for other reasons. Fun fact, regular other calendar apps all use the same calendar store component, so it doesn't matter whether you use Google Calendar or Outlook Calendar or something strictly local either. Phone reset doesn't help. Excluding apps from Doze doesn't help. Alarms though, they are on time, so it's not something that inherently can't be done. But they don't use the calendar store.

I've seen it come up in one of the Android threads here and you get one or two people chiming in. I'm overreacting by telling someone this is flat out what to expect and I frankly shouldn't be surprised that plenty of people never heard of it either. It's hard to get an impression of how common something like that is, and when you're researching it, well, obviously it will seem like everyone is affected since they're all talking about it.

I have had several Motos and Android phones including a Moto G5+ and that's literally never happened to me once. And I rely on Google Calendar multiple times a day.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Bought my wife a Moto E plus for Christmas to replace her 640XL.

She still on the WinPho

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

sourdough posted:

Fwiw Android at this point is like that too, totally fine out of the box, rearrange your icons and go.

On a totally side note, it's funny how people get stuck on initial impressions of "new" stuff. I have a friend, granted he's a little older (late 50s) that does a lot of video editing. He's been apple exclusive his whole career but he's realized it makes no sense, price wise, to be in the high end video space and get Apple products. In the process of switching over he was super worried about Windows because he literally thought you had to actually program just to use it. That everything was run through a command line and totally text based (except the programs). That took a bit for me to get over!

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

DoomTrainPhD posted:

I'm still salty how poorly MS handled the WP7 -> WP8 -> WP10 transition. :argh:

I get it, 7 being CE and 10 running the full WP10 kernel and frontend was a huge technical achievement, but they really hosed up with cutting support for 7 so quickly after 8 was released, and 8 being a bastard redheaded step-child when 10 came out.

I miss my 950XL :smith:

My 6 year old found our old 650s and booted them up to play with the camera. Man I miss WP in general. It's still slick as poo poo.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Jewmanji posted:

It’s interesting to see how all-in the original design was on centering social networks. The phone really assumed you were going to always be a Facebook user and that Facebook was always going to be king. They failed to anticipate that a lot of people would flee that platform, others would arise etc. Remember the struggle over getting SnapChat on WP?

Huh? I mean they had problems with getting devs to port apps for sure, but I'm not sure where you're getting that they put all their eggs in the FB basket and didn't foresee anything else. FB was the biggest at the time and of course had their own official app. But the idea behind the phone itself is the people hub could grow to adapt to aggregate new networks. Unfortunately that integration relied on cooperating devs, which didn't happen.

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Jewmanji posted:

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I think what I meant was that the centrality of Facebook to the WP experience feels very 2012, and would be very off-putting now (to me, at least). As you say, the inability to port apps in a timely fashion (or at all) was part of the perceived downfall of the platform.

That said though, those social networks would've been a vestigial experience within the OS, not deeply embedded the way FB was, right? I'm thinking for instance of how each individual Contract card could show their most recent FB status or something (it's been so long I can't really remember). But even if Instagram or SnapChat or TikTok or whatever had released apps for the phone, it would exist only within that specific app's environment- it wouldn't deeply link with the other features of the phone, right? Like, didn't the Photos hub also siphon photos from Facebook? That level of integration required a significant partnership between the companies, and Microsoft was probably wrong to bet that every new platform would have that level of buy-in unless/until Microsoft reached appropriate levels of market penetration. And even then, as Wizard of the Deep says, maybe not even then, since it'd be cutting off their ad revenue for no reason.

The idea was that, yes, you would be able to integrate social networks that allowed it into the OS level instead of just app level. But... yeah it didn't happen. I think it's a great idea that - in a socialist utopia - would make for a great phone experience. I'm so loving tired of apps.

But tech companies want to box everyone out and take all the monies so it was never going to happen.

edit: Also this was something you could control. You had an account settings in the hubs. So you could have it just an app, or integrated if you'd prefer.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Jewmanji posted:

Yeah I mean, the value proposition to me in 2012 was very high. I used Facebook heavily and was just getting into Twitter. Nowadays I only use Twitter. Other than the metro UI which got absolutely butchered in WP10, the social app integration was a big feature that I would've incrementally found less appealing. Having said that, I don't tend to use that many apps, so having a core OS experience as smooth and enjoyable as WP is sort of the most important thing for me.

Well remember WP is a snapshot of 2012 basically. I mean it likely would have changed a great deal since then. But it never gained ground and development never really progressed. So... I'm not sure comparing it to now even makes sense?

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

This conversation made me go looking for old WP ring tones, I found them on the official SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/nokia-design-team/tracks

I don't remember *any* of those...

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