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VagueRant
May 24, 2012

Naylenas posted:

I really like his tendency to shush the audience almost immediately after telling a joke. Makes me hope they'll just nix the audience altogether at some point.
I had mixed feelings on this. It made the show move along quicker, sure and helped him pack material in there, but it made the whole thing a 30 minute rant with no room to breathe. The odd laugh or applause break would have made it feel more...Comfortable.

And you did find yourself wondering why they even had an audience if that's the way they were going to do it. I'm glad there's no pointless buffer of cheering when it cuts to or from other segments/the non-commercial breaks though.

Anyway, good show. Will watch again. (It will probably get cancelled because America doesn't care about India.)

edit: also could they compromise and make it like 40, 45 minutes long? Or does everything on HBO have to round to the nearest half hour?

VagueRant fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Apr 29, 2014

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VagueRant
May 24, 2012
The second episode definitely seemed to have a bit more room to breathe and I really like the international slant - although I still think that will be the death of the show. I actually enjoyed the death penalty bit, I just found it a bit sad that actually vaguely discussing an issue needed so much build up and apology.

also gently caress rick perry

Thurm posted:

POM Wonderful reply to John's segment from last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bml8KwCmob8
This was great.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

Someone mentioned it earlier, but if you're going to talk about the death penalty on a comedy show you're probably going to lose some people in the audience. If you can't get a joke to work, it's either going to be painfully unfunny or pretty loving offensive. So I think it's partially there to assure the viewers that John's going to be as respectful as possible and also a little meta gag because he knows it's a pretty hot-button topic.

Also we got to see that adorable little hamster. :3:
"Sure we can make jokes about Indian massacres in our first week. They're brown and far away. But the American death penalty? Woah, too dark!"

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Not much to comment on for it, but I'm really enjoying the show. It's kind of ruining The Daily Show for me by being clearly superior. The Nintendo clip was brilliantly dumb and hilarious. The car piece was unbelievably infuriating.

On a lighter note, any goons contribute to the mutually assured humiliation thing?

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Am I a bad person for finding the whole Right Said Fred thing kind of awkward and embarrassing and not as good as they expected it to be?

Anyway, still loving the show but it really is making The Daily Show hard to watch in comparison. I'm still a week behind on J-Stew.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

404GoonNotFound posted:

So the forums go down and John makes the show's first oblique reference to The American. COINCIDENCE?!
What was this? I must have missed it.

Also how the gently caress has he not brought Andy in on his fancy new show at least once? Come on. Give him the Joliver Bump.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

It's basically The Daily Show Weekend Edition - with unbleeped bad language.
and the image of Mitch McConnel.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Joliver: "And now this."
Narrator: "And now..."

Annoys me every time. But the show is still great.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I was surprised he was so wary of discussing the death penalty. I completely understand him not wanting to talk Israel.

The US is loving creepy about it. Journalists lose jobs all the time for having an opinion on that poo poo. It's like unquestioning support of Israel was in the constitution, or the bible (hah).

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I loving hate that Katy Perry song.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Why does he pronounce it piņada?

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I had no problems with either the drone segment or the Ayn Rand bit. I thought both were well-done, informative, funny and completely loving horrifying.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

JT Jag posted:

He's going to have to be careful. Last Week Tonight has a broad viewing base, many which might have different opinions on Israel. Now if he decides to go in that direction and be aggressively informative of the situation on the ground in Israel and Palestine, good for him, too few journalists do today, but he's going to have to approach it gradually, so people don't just tune him out.
He probably won't take sides on the main issues but criticise Israel for...you know, the things they've said (particularly about America) and done. I doubt he'd go any harder than Jon Stewart would.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I know it's a minor quibble but I got so loving annoyed by him calling Afghans "Afghanis". I was disappointed but not surprised when Jon Stewart did it...But Oliver? drat, man.

Echo Chamber posted:

Nooooooooo Asian dude from Mythbusters I thought you were cool. :(
Yeah this kinda broke my heart. Grant is awesome. You could tell he wasn't exactly feeling it in those clips. Really flat and monotone. Did it for the money and hopefully didn't tell any lies?

Astro Nut posted:

I remember signing a petition last year over Afghan interpreters that had helped British troops, but since the thing was delivered to Number 10, there really hasn't been any news on how its progressed (or hasn't). The closest thing I can find as followup is a report back in June that three Afghan interpreters were taking the government to court on how the policy regarding Afghan interpreters (general gist: You still had to be working with the army and be doing so for twelve months or more) was absolute bollocks. I cannot find any follow up to that story anywhere.
Thanks for the info, I really wondered what the situation was over here. Sounds terrible. :smith:

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

bobkatt013 posted:

Silvio Berlusconi
Thatcher didn't get one, Berlusconi definitely wouldn't.

Bashar al-Assad springs to mind.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Post was a month ago. I guess they scrapped it. (Or they did it and we didn't notice.)

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I kinda skimmed the last couple pages because oh my god, but hey, could anyone else not stop staring at John's "spider" hands for the rest of the episode?

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

Whoopi Goldberg doesn't believe the loving moon landing was real.

And I guess it's because she never looked up really basic info like who worked the camera?
Yeah, that montage was kinda heartbreaking. She's always seemed like a national treasure for the US. :smith:

The overall episode kinda made me want to give Friday Night Lights another go, I know it's beloved, but like...urgh.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I still super like the show. I enjoy American Outrage Of The Week.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Was just talking with some teenagers the other day about the deficiencies in British education and we were all like "well at least they do actually teach you something about sex, protection and STDs, and it's not like America where they don't tell you anything or have that abstinence education."

Like what the actual gently caress?

Apparently that means Thank You. So that's nice. :unsmith:

First time I've kept an eye on the intro in a long time.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
100% picturing that guy as Mike from Breaking Bad, appropriately enough.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Since I guess we're giving accounts, my memories of school sex education in the UK were that around the age of 10/11 they told us where babies came from and we watched a probably not overly graphic video of a birth, and the whole pregnancy process. Not too much detail on sex, just the biological basics. One girl apparently fainted and a couple of kids with very religious backgrounds sat it out.

We got a lot of talk about puberty throughout the years. (I'm always legit freaked out by old stories of times where women just didn't talk about periods and how much it freaked out teenagers when it happened) One teacher showed the old condom on the banana thing.

Then around age 15 they split the classes by gender and had an outside specialist teacher come in and give a detailed presentation about STDs (complete with horrifying photos) and different methods of protection and general genital information.

So yeah, all these anectdotes from America are shocking to me.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
That's a sweet story about him and his wife, I'd never heard that before.

On a less sweet note, I feel a little conflicted about the people getting hosed over by these televangelists. There's a part of me that thinks if you're that stupid you kinda deserve it. I know ignorance can come from outside factors, it isn't something people necessarily choose, but just...goddamn. It's obviously extra hosed up to be promising cancer cures, but if you're clearly just funding private jets for God...

So many sweaters!

(Jumpers.)

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
So it's bad that my biggest takeaway from the piece was "poo poo, I wish I'd thought of doing that"?

Katana Gomai posted:

Imagine I answered "welcome to the Republican party!" to every single post ITT blaming the victims.
Well, that hurts.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
The migration issue is crazy complex, but every comment about it does seem to basically devolve into "BUT SOME OF THEM ARE BAD!" and just "fuckin' muzlims". Call this a win for Joliver.

Kinda wonder if/when Trevor Noah will get this divisive. They went pretty standard with the first new Daily Show and that was probably the right call.

Burkion posted:

Don't engage Irish Joe
The people that regularly do this are worse than he is.

Also seriously wondering who I have to piss off in just the right way to stay on the good side of the mods and get a funny string of avatars. :smith:

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I still super like the show and think the parts where it gets preachy are the best, when most shows don't have the balls to have an opinion. Him straight up calling out the Huckabees of the world for the "blah blah mental health" bullshit was pretty cathartic.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

Phenotype posted:

Like I said, there's certainly racism there, but the way the system works makes it difficult, regardless of your personal feelings.

You could be the most racially sensitive person in the world, but your money guy and all your advisors are showing you charts of how movies with black actors underperform. Choose a black actor anyway, and you now have to explain to your boss why you're going with a guy that won't make as much money as the whitebread actor that was next in line, according to all the projections from the brightest advisors he could find. I imagine this is going to be a difficult ask for most people, even the most tolerant among us, unless they were already invested in this issue. Sure, it might be the right thing to do, but I doubt the average person would be able to risk their career taking a stand like that.
"The system" is not a natural, unchangable thing.

It's guys not wanting to take chances (and based on technically flawed information*). They should. The only difference in the conversation is that people shouldn't be asking director Ridley Scott why he didn't have non-white actors, but instead asking his producers/the studio. The people at the top of the chain.

*Supergirl (1984), the Halle Berry Catwoman and Elektra are pointed to as examples of why there aren't any female-led superhero movies. Yes, they were unsuccessful but do we really think the primary factor for that was the fact they had female leads?

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I'm not American but I would vote for Sanders if I was, and I wouldn't vote for Hilary if he lost.

Wouldn't vote Republican either, but still.

I could kind of understand a Bernie supporter voting Trump out of spite honestly. A "gently caress it, burn it all down" vote. You could've had the president we all needed, now you'll have the president you deserve.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

The Cheshire Cat posted:

Yeah, I mean Snowden is not exactly a guy who is unbiased on US government and security issues
Probably a minor point, but...what does this mean?

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

Veskit posted:

You should try to have your salary saved by the time your 30
What's a "salary"?

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Holy poo poo, that Gingrich interview. That was like a Colbert Report bit but its real life!

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Oh my god, the "gently caress you" guy. I hate him and I hate his kind so much.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012

NutritiousSnack posted:

Oliver, Bee, Dunham are smug assholes who alienate anyone who isn't a #ImWithHer donor.
You're right, if liberals were less smug and elitist and more cordial to Trump supporters it would totally make all the difference and change so many minds.

I'm being smugly sarcastic in case that wasn't clear. This weird sentiment of "stop talking down to the stupid racists who vote against their own interests and treat their insane conspiracy theories and ignorance like it's a totally reasonable platform" is how you will end up with CNN talking to a civil rights activist who marched with King and then checking in with a guy in a KKK hood for a balanced counterpoint.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I know this is the most whiny liberal thing to say, but after John's big spiel about donating to good causes, all I could think of watching the exploding "2016" was how much money was wasted on it. :smith:

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VagueRant
May 24, 2012

quote:

Tumblrina
A term relatively interchangeable with "SJW," Tumblrina is an insult aimed at young, alt-looking lefty women, as Tumblr is a social media platform containing multitudes of liberal-minded youngsters who can occasionally lay on the self-righteousness a little thick. That probably has more to do with kids being obnoxious than political ideology.
I don't know why, but it was oddly nice to read something so reasonable and non-alarmist about Tumblr for a change.

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