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TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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meristem posted:

I think that positive counterexamples are slowly amassing. I mean, The Force Awakens had Rey and Finn, and you can't really say that bombed. Fast and Furious 7 was diverse, too, wasn't it? And the coming slate of Marvel will be?

Not really Oscar material here, I know, but certainly on the money argument side. Although the outcome where Hollywood splits into representatively diverse blockbusters and white-only Oscar bait would be pretty funny, too.

Change will be occurring when those exceptions to the rule don't result in significant uproar.

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Bruceski posted:

Two of my old college friends unfriended me for thinking the Drumpf thing is going too far. I'm not fond of bullying tactics no matter how vile the target is, I think they just reinforce the echo-chamber and push folks without strong convictions away, making the target more "sympathetic" as much as that word can in any way be used for Trump. I'll talk to them after the election see if things can be mended, people get rather short-tempered.

I liked the rest of the piece, though.

Link your facebook so I can unfriend you too, nerd

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TyrantWD posted:

Not only is he catching up, but these have been two very eventful weeks in politics, and ignoring them would have been very weird. Eventually Trump is going to settle down and be no crazier than expected, and no major developments will be taking place every week, and at that point I'd expect the show will shift its focus elsewhere.

people still believe this?

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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Jesus Christ, it's like a bunch of battered wives in here. You get to hold your politicians to a high standard. And sorry, not voting does not count as a vote for the other party. That's the biggest line of bullshit I've ever heard, and that's coming from someone who swallowed his pride and voted for the centrist war hawk (and regrets it deeply.)

How the democrats were unable to see this was a year for radicalism is beyond me. How their more vocal supporters are still crowing on that "no vote is a vote for the enemy!" poo poo after they spent a year alienating those with principles and forcing Queen Hillary down our throats is beyond me.

No one else would have lost to trump. No one.

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and the notion that democrats are some kind of civil rights heroes is entirely laughable. The two parties ARE exactly the same. Republicans just don't bother hiding their disdain for the poor, the black, and the trans

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IRQ posted:

I mean if you're talking about the 2016 election then no, they dunked on themselves by picking a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign.

This. Martin god drat O'Malley would have performed better, and had the republicans put up someone normal like Rubio this would have been a blowout loss for the Dems, as shown by it still being a blowout loss downballot which means plenty of people voted R there but not for President.

Oh, and to the guy who said "great job loving the downballot": you realize you can vote there and abstain on the big one, right? Which is EXACTLY what many leftist grassroots groups recommended and did.

Finally - the idea that not voting takes away your right to complain is so bizarrely wrong. If only abstaining from a vote meant being able to dodge the consequences of the decisions made by those who did. I'm sure convicts who have had their right to vote forcibly removed for such dire offenses as driving while black or possession of marijuana are happy to hear they've no right to complain, too.

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TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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Lord Buckethead is different from the guitarist Buckethead, right?

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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While Echo Chamber has the timeline off, he is right that the culture wars being started and used as a wedge is a fairly recent phenomenon, looking at the nation's history as a whole. The southern strategy worked phenomenally well.

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tsob posted:

Lawyers don't help themselves in fairness, since most things are couched in really dull, dry language. Apparently deliberately, to help obfuscate what they're doing and make it easier to keep it somewhat of a skilled professional language a lot of people can't understand; though I admit that's purely on anecdotal evidence and there may be a more simple and blasé reason for it.

The fact that most legal briefs are boring as hell is exactly why lawyers do things like this ACLU brief. As long as all your logic is sound, you can present it with whatever terms you want. It's a person at the other end reading this, after all, and you want them to keep reading.

Supreme Court justices in particular will have a lot of fun with their opinions sometimes, since they have absolutely no one to be accountable to. Here's some good ones.

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tsob posted:

Fortunately, it blows less than a lot of the alternatives. It might not be great, but being less poo poo than others is about the best we have at the moment.

It's better than feudalism, I guess, but Silicon Valley companies seem to be pulling a lot from that model so nah, it probably isn't

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Well, capitalism and feudalism aren't mutually exclusive, although corporate masters skimp too much on the feudal obligations to serfs/vassals for the comparison to be truely apt.

Give it five years.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-building-employee-housing-silicon-valley-headquarters-2017-7

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PassTheRemote posted:

Yes, I'm sure forced wealth distribution will work out fine, and people won't equate it with Marxism at all...

Yeah, a lot of famous people have their names attached to very good ideas. What's your point

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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Samantha Bee is phenomenal and the only good Daily Show spinoff besides this

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stone cold posted:

seth meyers is significantly better than colbert wrt the late night comedy shtick

Hard agree. I don't watch anything but his The Check In and A Closer Look segments, but both of those feel like network TV versions of LWT - you have to put up with some jokes that are painfully aimed at a lowest common denominator (oops, my commie elitism is showing), but hey, it's not like John Oliver is always on fire with the jokes either.

I also love Sam Bee to death. The show is loving fantastic for its queer and poc representation, not to mention the obvious female representation, and it doesn't pull its punches when criticizing people in a way that I think Noah and Colbert could - should - really learn from. Her DNC shill bullshit was extremely annoying, but thankfully we are past that.

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While it's questionable to say Chavez was "obviously" or even definitely given cancer by the CIA, it would not be the most outlandish thing the CIA and other American organizations have done/planned (given how controlled all information we receive from the region is, it's hard to truly know) in the region. http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/03/07/the-cia-didnt-give-chavez-cancer-but-crazier-things-have-happened/

It's easy to say "oh, that was just crazy Cold War stuff", but that's what people said about rumored CIA activities and plans in the Vietnam era before Cold War era documents were declassified, and the same thing will happen again as more recent information becomes declassified. It's the domain of out-of-whack conspiracy theorists to make detailed claims about CIA bioweapon murder plots of foreign heads of state, but it would be equally insane to believe the biggest capitalist superpower, whose intelligence agencies have a documented history of doing everything in their legal power and more to destroy communist or socialist states, has nothing to do with the state of Venezuela.

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The Cheshire Cat posted:

One thing to at least be optimistic about is that because a lot of these stories are coming from communities with a high retiree population (which makes sense), odds are pretty good that the more national attention it gets the more likely those states are to HEAVILY revise the laws - because this kind of thing is not something they're going to want wealthy retirees thinking about when it comes time to decide where to move for their twilight years.

Wish I shared that faith. In a nation of people unaware of the law and eager to believe whatever the TV tells them, the elderly are the most unaware and eager. Lawmakers know that. Fox News won't cover this.

Wealthy retirees won't care. Wealth will, as always, insulate them from the consequences of horrid legislation - in this instance, because wealthy retirees are likely to have power of attorney already settled via having an attorney.

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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Good segment, I'm generally not crazy about the show's neoliberal foreign policy takes, but that end song bit was pretty horrible. It was smug in the way this show's worst moments always are, was super condescending, and worst of all just wasn't funny. Laughed pretty hard as usual at the America bits

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M_Gargantua posted:

John should do a mini segment on the modern definitions of Tankies after the lash back from this.

like american media would ever glance at the left lmao

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Greaseman posted:

Trying to wrap my mind around someone saying Oliver isn't critical enough of America.

did anyone say this lol

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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historical context is whataboutism, apparently

never change goons

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MegaZeroX posted:

And while Trump is a despicable human being, and the republican party's positions hurt millions of people every year and are the cause much pain and suffering, it doesn't begin to compare to the wack awful poo poo that Xi and CPP have been up to in the past decade.

lol

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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that whole santa bit should have gone to the cutting room floor imo

good ep otherwise, think that santa time could have been better spent showing other people standing up to cartels or some discussion of how the candidates (or amlo at least) have spoken about americas recent.. happenings

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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Like most of the more flat-out horrible topics the show covers, this one was somewhat tough to watch given how frustrating and how sad it all is. Anita Hill's segment was a refreshing break from that; she came off charming and witty. I'm glad the show returned to the US after a string of weaker episodes on foreign policy/culture.

I can understand why a lot of men feel uncomfortable with the changing times, given the fact that our television shows and movies and songs all regularly glamorize the exact sort of behavior that is finally, rightfully being called out and it's very much how a lot of men were taught to behave, but the correct response to "I'm afraid to be alone with a woman" is a big fat eye roll.

Propaganda Machine posted:

False reports to HR are so common that I've spent years finagling myself out and away from corporate culture. I've seen enough peoples' lives damaged by it to be on the side of "lol, like innocence is enough?"

It may have been a false equivalency to racism, but it also simply happens way, way too much.

That was not at all my experience working in corporate offices and quite frankly I do not believe that, on a larger scale than your experiences, false accusations of harassment are a remotely common occurrence. Feel free to lay down some numbers to prove that claim, but it sure seems like confirmation bias at best and exactly-the-problem misogyny at worst

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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Claims are what need proof and numbers, my dude. You cannot prove a negative, and if you are going to claim something happens regularly the burden of proof is on you.

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pwn posted:

“The Ken Bone of 9/11” is such a remarkably on-point description for Giuliani.

Yeah, this is another week in a row I've been glad to see them stick to American politics. It's a much sharper show for it, despite Who Is America usurping the Sunday night politics crown for a bit there

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IRQ posted:

The good 20 seconds of Who is America is always on 100 other tv shows the next day anyway. The full show is not very good.

Episode 1 was pretty great, and 2 had that pube lady. The talk show host character is of course on point, but the Israeli gun instructor and NPR liberal both got old fast, and I'm not sure the Italian rich dude ever worked. Should've aimed younger with that, gone for more of an Elon Musk type of dumb rich rear end in a top hat

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TheBizzness posted:

Shoving E pulls up your butt is called parachuting you crazies.

parachuting is when you wrap something in toilet or tissue paper and drop it down your throat so you don't taste whatever is in there.

boofing is putting the drug up ur butt.

I had no idea either of these were obscure terms at all but I guess I hang out with drug people a lot

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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I gotta agree, the show would be better on the whole if they tried a bit less hard to be funny. The number of times it feels like someone said "we haven't had a joke in 45 seconds, give John a wacky simile" comes off pretty forced. Way too much reliance on monkey cheese random humor and not enough genuine wit related to the topic at hand.

I still watch every week.

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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There will never be a proper leftist version of these shows because leftists and corporate owned media networks inherently don't mix.

Best you'll ever get is Chapo, who would all shudder at the comparison but it's just true, or the left side of YouTube such as ContraPoints, Shaun, hbomberguy, Philosophy Tube, and the like.

Frankly there's so much good and funny lefty content on YouTube I'm not sure why I still watch this show. Inertia, mainly. There's occasional good episodes, still.

I mean, really - LWT even at its best doesn't hit the in-depth information/wit balance nearly as well as videos like this https://youtu.be/GWwiUIVpmNY

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tarlibone posted:

I hear he loves making movies, making music, and fighting 'round the world.

haha! Like in the cuss word cartoon

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TXT BOOTY7 2 47474
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The disconnect on the meaning of the term 'liberal' is between people who - and this is not a value judgment on said knowledge - know a lot of political theory and the underpinning beliefs of various ideologies, and people whose engagement with politics mostly resembles their engagement with sports teams. Most people in America fall into the latter camp.

Because America doesn't have an actually leftist political party, and America's Overton window skews right, for most Americans "liberal" ends up covering a pretty ridiculous swath of beliefs whose only unifying trait is varying degrees of commitment to social equality as the most important issue. They don't think of that, though, they just know this person isn't a Republican. They don't know of any other box to use.

The sort of people who go on an internet forum to talk about a political comedy show tend to be on the more political science savvy side, and the term "liberal" gets necessarily more specific. It's best exemplified by the Hilllary wing of the Democratic party in my view, though I know lots of people who would call any involvement with Democrats liberal.

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