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Die Laughing posted:Speaking of the change in Spider-Man between when Ditko was on the book, and when Romita took over, CBR talks about a Grant Morrison story that could have been. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2014/05/09/comic-book-legends-revealed-470/ Some of the basic premise kinda sounds like Spider-Men, I wonder if Bendis took some cues from that?
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Red posted:Many of Peter Parker's significant developmental moments involve him throwing his costume in the trash. Pretty sure they kind of made fun of it in an issue of Spider-Girl at one point. Something along the lines of: Mayday Parker/Spider-Girl:He just up and quit!? Mary-Jane:All the time! It almost seemed like an annual event!
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Place your bets, what are the odds that Spider-Gwen gets ported over to 616?
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Suben posted:If you want to believe Rich Johnston, get ready for a Spider-Woman book by either Dennis Hopeless or Cullen Bunn (most likely Hopeless) and Greg Land. It's like they want it to fail miserably!
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Senor Candle posted:What? Despite what we all think about Greg Land, people still buy his books. Collen Bunn isn't bad and there are people who actually like Hopeless.  Rhyno posted:I bet it's gonna end up being the Gwen Stacy Spider-woman. Senor Candle posted:Bunn was on Venom when it got cancelled right? I thought he had a pretty long run after Remender left. I remember Bunn most from all those Deadpool miniseries and those seemed to do all right. Hopeless moved straight from AA to AU so I don't really see that as a cancellation. What are all the books you're talking about? (I'm not trying to prove you wrong I'm just not familiar with their work outside of what I listed.) Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Jul 9, 2014 01:12
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So, Spider-Girl's showing up in ASM 8. If I don't read it, she'll be alright, right? 
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Lurdiak posted:Slott's track record says she's hosed. I think this sums up my response adequately:  Seriously my first comics were 2 digests of Spider-Girl. Dammit, Slott.
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Jul 16, 2014 13:58
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Suben posted:I find that it says a lot that the best issue of the entire Spider-Girl franchise (from the original series to all the failed reboots) is the one issue written by someone else that focused on someone other than May. I mean maybe it's a case where under a different writer she'd be better but overally Spider-Girl's a mediocre to lovely series and May is just kind of a boring character that half the male characters in the series fawn over as this perfect goddess. It kept going for over a 100 issues, so they must have done something right.
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Jul 16, 2014 19:13
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TwoPair posted:Yeah, Hopeless can write well. Him on a book isn't a death sentence. Except his most high-profile work is the godawful Avengers Arena/Undercover, so that's what most people will think of. And that is not going to do wonders for sales, especially combined with Greg 'never met a porn face he didn't like' Land. Quite frankly I never want him to see him write characters I care about ever again.
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Oct 1, 2014 10:40
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vegeta dentata posted:
OldTennisCourt posted:Hahahahaha Squirrel Girl, as written by Dan Slott posted:"Maybe it's just me... but I'm not crazy about super hero stories where everything's all dark and moody. Personally, I like the ones where good guys fight giant apes on the moon and stuff, remember those? I do. That was back when comic book worlds were places you wanted to escape to... not from." If somebody has the page scan, they should post it to Slott's twitter and see how he contorts to justify his position. What happened to the Dan Slott who wrote Spider-Man/Human Torch? I miss him. Edit: And in the preview of ASM 8 Spider-Girl's family is apprently getting killed. gently caress you, Dan Slott, you sold out your own principles. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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Waterhaul posted:I think that Slott goes to the Stan Lee school of working people up in a frenzy in his books so they keep reading (which as Spider-Verse continues on I'm sure people here will prove him right) but I don't think he sat there and changed his username and picture while laughing going "hahahaha that'll show people who liked an old cartoon" while twirling a mustache like he's being painted. Well I'm not so much angry as I am disappointed in him resorting to the kind of cheap grimdarkness that he criticised through Squirrel Girl. That's frankly worse in my opinion, cynically exploiting outrage. It's really putting me off comics in general, to be honest.
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Oct 9, 2014 15:06
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Myrddin Emrys posted:I love this thread. I get all the drama of the book, plus a good sense of if I should read the book again, and I don't even have to give Dan Slott a cent to know. Because that's what he wants, people. He wants you so outraged you spend money on his book. Which is dumb, but works.  What happened to you, Dan Slott? You used to be cool.
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Oct 10, 2014 09:24
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Waterhaul posted:If by that you mean is Amazing Spider-Man Marvel's best selling book, outselling even their regular event books, than yes, yes it is. Edit: Oh look, the sales are declining.  Facepalm Ranger posted:I'm beginning to question why I'm still giving money for this crap. It's so badly written. Then don't buy it, for god's sake. If you're still buying it, than you're tacitly indicating your approval. Spend your money on better books. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 10:34
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Waterhaul posted:If you want to ignore the fact that #1 had the unsustainable over half a million sales and don't include like half of the issues that have been released since then, sure. Um...they just released ASM 7.How is that missing half of the issues? Unless you're counting the point ones as well. And that doesn't change the fact that sales were still declining. And yes, Spider-Verse will boost sales...temporarily. Until it ends and then there'll be another slump. I'd rather have a book that sells consistently well and doesn't resort to cheap gimmicks to remain a sustainable long-term prospect, rather than the current 'lurch from event to event and deliberately antagonise the fanbase to goad them into buying the book'. Is that too much to ask? Lurdiak posted:A new #1 of one of the best known comics selling a ton of issues? Surely that denotes interest in the story and not the zombified corpse of the collector's market rearing its decaying head. That and apparently it was also included in the Loot Crate/Nerd Block on top of that. And it had a stupid amount of variant covers, too.
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Oct 10, 2014 12:37
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The Goon posted:Has anyone tweeted that squirrel girl/spidey contrast image to Slott? If not, can someone who uses the Twitter do so and post his reaction? Waterhaul posted:Yes.
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Oct 11, 2014 11:17
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So how about ASM 8? Glad to see Slott continues to treat other aspects of the Spider-Man mythos not created by Dan Slott with the utmost respect. But hey they've successfully put me off even buying the DeFalco-written Spider-Girl tie-in to this event, so thanks for that, Marvel.
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Oct 23, 2014 09:39
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TwoPair posted:Honestly, I'd blame Spider-Man before you blame Teen Titans. As was mentioned, Peter Parker was a teenager who lost a parental figure and a girlfriend and his stories sold like gangbusters, so every writer saw a clear blueprint to success. I guess it's easy to pin some blame on Batman also, but ever since Gwen Stacy, Spider-Man really set the mold for "teen character's life never stops being lovely" that every bad writer has strived to emulate over and over again. Contrast Spider-Girl, who managed to avoid almost all of that nonsense and still run for one of the longest solo runs for a female character from Marvel. Why can't people tell the difference between 'everyman, who has some setbacks in his life like anyone else but ultimately rises above it' and 'constant Sisyphean torment'. While I'm glad Spider-Gwen is the breakout character of Spider-Verse, I'm kind of sad that Spider-Girl won't get a similar chance at a new audience. But I guess she had a pretty good ending, up til Slott ruined it.
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Waterhaul posted:It will still be written by Slott. Well Slott can write Spider-Man well (see:Spider-Man & Human Torch, the arc of Avengers: The Initative where he showed up), he just chose not to for some reason (and also to kind of be a dick about it). If that Dan Slott's writing it, I'll at least give it a chance. Kelp Plankton posted:Like all the other tons and tons of Summer 2015 event things, it's probably an alternate universe. Well first off, it's the first teaser that's not referring to a previous event, secondly Slott announced it on his twitter as something that seemed to be specifically concerning Spider-Man. As for the red hair? I think the implication is it's the daughter they would have had if not for the pact with Mephisto that he chose to manifest as. I know it probably won't end well...but I want to believe.
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Suben posted:The Inheritors are so goddamn bad. Every last one of them. Hey, they'll probably be swept under the rug by everybody who isn't Dan Slott.
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Decius posted:Silver Surfer is pretty good in my opinion though. Just because the name Slott is on the cover doesn't mean it's automatically bad. Isn't that Slott's Doctor Who fanfic with the Silver Surfer pasted in his place? Granted it can't be worse than his Spider-Man fanfiction.
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Here's an interesting interview with Ron Frenz on Spider-Girl and Spider-Verse. Why am I not surprised editorial wanted her parents killed?
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Waterhaul posted:One of the best things about Spider-Verse so far is that in one issue Spider-Gwen has already surpassed how ever many issues of Spider-Girl there was, quality wise. You take that back!
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Waterhaul posted:They are all Spider-Men/Women. They all have the exact same origin. Except for the ones that don't. Like Sp//dr, for one thing. Or Miguel, or Aaron Aikman, or... I mean yeah, a lot of them have the same/similar origin, but there's still outliers. Besides, Silk literally has the exact same origin as 616 Peter. It was the same spider and everything.
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Suben posted:There's not a whole lot in there I really disagree with. Especially about how death and shock value have been completely devalued. Yeah, aside from it being my first comic, part of the reason why I love Spider-Girl was that it was largely free of shock value deaths and grimdarkness that are so common these days. There's not many books that can share that claim.
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SirDan3k posted:Like most of Slott's ideas Silk will probably be fantastic under somebody else. Not for Spider-Girl, he wouldn't. But then according to Frenz every editor wanted to kill off Spider-Girl's parents. hiddenriverninja posted:Already counting down until they send her to Hong Kong to be "the Spider-Man of Asia." Don't be ridiculous. Cass Cain was a good character that fans loved and editorial hated. Silk is a bad character fans hate and the editors love.
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hiddenriverninja posted:what's hilarious is that she's been at the spider hero game for about a week and she tells Peter she can handle New York. go away Peter, I got this. But she's watched him on TV, that counts as experience, right? Anyway, I feel that perhaps there's a wee bit too much hostility towards Slott in this thread. As a counter to this, I feel I should praise one facet of Spider-Verse. He took Spider-Girl back to her short hair and got rid of her piercings, which seems logical since I can't imagine those would be comfortable with her mask anyway (see also: round head Spider-Man from the ultimate universe). And frankly I think it looks better.  Bravo! Also: the Spider-Man & Human Torch miniseries was pretty great.
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Codependent Poster posted:Dan Slott didn't draw Mayday like that. That's all Coipel. Oh. I guess that Slott has done absolutely nothing positive for Spider-Girl then. WickedHate posted:He made her hair better! He killed her parents and boyfriend, but he made her hair better! I don't get why you think I condone what Slott did to Spider-Girl in general. I was merely playing Devil's advocate. That's the only positive thing I could find. And it turns out that wasn't even him. So yeah, Dan Slott is a hack. Blockhouse posted:Spider-Girl didn't have editors, it was just Tom DeFalco getting to do whatever he wanted. If it did someone likely would have looked at Amazing Spider-Girl and went "holy poo poo what the gently caress am I reading Tom" and then he'd just burn them with a cigar According to Frenz it did, but DeFalco and Frenz kindly kept telling them to shut the gently caress up about killing the Parkers, seriously you guys gently caress off. It was a simpler time, when the creative staff could tell editorial to stop loving around and let the guys whose job it is tell the stories.
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Waterhaul posted:I am glad that creative freedom was given. What would the comics world be without Wild Thing, Angry Eagle, Darkdevil, Sabreclaw or the greatest Spider character since creation J2. I'm sorry you rather seem to misunderstand my point. Part of the reason Spider-Girl was so beloved (at least by myself, I can't pretend to speak for anybody else) was that it actually allowed the main character to have a mostly happy life. Yes, some of the new characters were hokey, but no more ridiculous than a lot of the other characters created in the 90s with stupid names. The dialogue was oftentimes rather out of touch. But at the end of the day, although there were often struggles involved with being a superhero, it was ultimately a worthwhile endeavor. Compare to the vast majority of today's comics, where DC literally has an editorial policy that heroes can't have happy personal lives. So yes, MC2 had its share of ridiculousness and silly names. But you know what? I don't care about that. the MC2 was a place I wanted to keep coming back to, so I kept reading the comics. I sure as heck don't want to see the line's flagship character 'reduced to the panic stricken survivor of a cheap slasher movie'. Maybe Slott's trying to make a point with the avatars of grimdarkness marching into happy canons (Amazing Friends, MC2, and even the fruit-pie-advertisments aren't safe) and wrecking the place. But quite frankly I don't care about what he's got to say.
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Codependent Poster posted:So we know Captain Universe Spidey will probably die because that'll be the old "oh poo poo we're doomed!" moment, but I'd really laugh if then Spider-Phoenix came out and wiped out Morlun and company in one panel. That or his universe will get Incursion'd and he'll be brought down to regular Spidey levels. I'm guessing the Master Weaver will be the official reset button of the crossover, if it has one.
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Captain Q posted:I thought Old Man Spider was explicitly a variation on Peter Parker, wasn't he? Monaghan posted:I'm sort of glad that I'm not writing this series because I don't think I could resist just having toei spider man beat the poo poo out of morlun in leopardon. My love of giant robots is too strong.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Almost none of the Spider-Men from alternate worlds are the ORIGNALS from alternate worlds. Ultimate Universe designation is 1610. But in Spider-Verse, it is identified as 610. The Amazing Friends TV show is Earth-8107. In Amazing #7, the Amazing Friends is Earth-1983. These are mostly, if not entirely, alternate realities so that the original universes these characters come from can still be used in the future. Or hell Slott will probably have everything wrapped up in a neat little bow by the end of the story. He's stated that Earth-610 was a typo. Also, that doesn't change that it's quite clearly intended to invoke a reaction from fans of those universes, whether the misnumbering was deliberate or not. And despite all the mistakes made by Slott regarding Spider-Girl continuity, he actually got the MC2 designation right. Blockhouse posted:He's probably read an MC2 comic within the last few years Man, what is with all the MC2 hate?
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Blockhouse posted:I think it was a great idea done in the most boring way by an old man desperately trying to write a bunch of teenagers. Not sure who'd I get on art, but whatever. Maybe keep Frenz on, or bring back the guy who did the art for Spider-Girl #51 (one Casey Jones. I don't know if he hangs out with any Ninja Turtles). But then I'm an idiot who overthinks these sort of things. Deadpool posted:I never understood what people saw in Spider-Girl. I always thought it was a mediocre to bad book. I honestly don't care if Slott kills them all off and then Hickman finishes up that universe for him. Well she had the longest-running solo series of any female hero at Marvel, so there is that. Also, like Spider-Man Adventures, it was a universe that focused on being fun, but at the same time was still capable of some good dramatic beats. I won't deny nostalgia probably plays a big part in it (hell the first comics I bought that weren't single issues were 4 Spider-Girl digests, so I'm in no way impartial), but it did have its own charm. Also, I believe for much of Spider-Girl run, the contemporary Spider-Man books were kind of bad. This was before JMS took over, I think. It had a dedicated enough fanbase to stave off cancellation I think it was 3 times, so it definitely had something going for it, even if I'm struggling to put it into words.
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Edge & Christian posted:I've read maybe half a dozen comics with Spider-Girl in them ever, but Spider-Girl (for a long time) had a small but loyal fanbase that kept the sales chugging along at a profitable level for years. I always got the impression it was a self-indulgent cul de sac for Tom DeFalco, but it was also a straightforward throwback-to-Silver-Age non-bloody self-contained superhero book through a period without many of those at all. Plus it had a female lead. This seems like a surefire path to a devoted cult following, and while it wasn't for me I say good for all parties who ran that formula until the wheels fell off. And recently it's become clear through Ms. Marvel that those stories are still viable, if done right.
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Suben posted:I can't wait until we get one page of an already dead SMLMJ Spidey while one of the Morlun Goofs makes a snarky remark about how "nobody loved him" or something to poo poo on fans of that book as well because Slott's trolling the dumb fanboys so hard and drinking their tears.
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Tato posted:I had a hard time following this issue as well, they bunched everyone up so they could then splinter the story into the spin-off books. I will not be following these characters into their spin-off books though, because I don't care about whatever magical significance the bride and the other are supposed to have. I would have liked some more set-up or explanation here, kind of annoyed by the fumbling around in the dark and having old man Spidey intentionally hold back information just so everything can be vague and mysterious. Also urgh, they continue trying to make Mayday into Ms. edgy with her going on about killing. still, at least 616 Peter (the 'chosen one', because of course he is) is telling her to calm down. But it can't be long until Slott has her kill Daemos and start dressing up like this:  (This was an official concept for an evil mirror universe Spider-Girl. I have no idea what they were thinking with this design, but thank gently caress they never stuck it into the books). I'll buy the Team-Up issue with her by the original team, but other than that, I'm going to stay the gently caress away. hiddenriverninja posted:Any thoughts on the new Spider-Woman book?
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Castomira posted:Reading the new ASM and Spider-Woman, I decided that Silk was almost certainly the most obnoxious and unpleasant spider ever, so they may as well go full Wesley Crusher with her and kill off a better character to aggrandize her lovely arc. Seems like the whole event's been built around So basically it's literally Slott's fanfic, where the ORIGINAL CHARACTERS DO NOT STEAL get to save the day.
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Gavok posted:My favorite part of the PAD run is how in the alternate reality where Spider-Man never goes into the superhero business, it shows a newspaper headline about Green Goblin being revealed as Norman Osborn accompanied by a photo of Thor beating the everloving poo poo out of him. Do you have a pic of that, because that sounds amazing.
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Castomira posted:Yup. Wait, seriously? I thought considering how they repeatedly showed Mayday checking in on Benjy and what the word 'scion' means, I didn't think it could be anyone else, except maybe Mayday herself. Yay me, I guess? If this means Silk is going to be Benjy's surrogate mother, I'm going to punch Dan Slott in the throat. Also, great job having Morlun literally walk up behind a gaggle of Spider-Men and grab the Scion without them reacting at all save Spider-Girl getting punched out in one panel, Slott! That's truly great storytelling, especially the part where Spider-Girl YET AGAIN doesn't have any actual agency in this story except to get beaten up by inheritors. And it's amazing that the big villain is...SOME OLD VAMPIRE GUY! Move over Green Goblin, truly THIS GUY is Spidey's true nemesis, indeed the nemesis of EVERY Spider-Man! How the gently caress is the guy who wrote Great Lakes Avengers and Spider-Man/Human Torch the same person who poo poo out this turd?
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Waterhaul posted:Jeez calm down already. And gain, the fact Benjy is the Scion, you'd think Old Man Spidey would've explained the significance of the Bride, the Scion and the Other as soon as one of them arrived in their midst? Since apparently they're important for no adequately explained reason. Castomira posted:Not to keep belaboring the Vampire the Masquerade comparisons, but Solus is almost literally an Antediluvian in this story. That's how he's being written almost exactly. I'm not denying the entire premise is stupid regardless. Honestly, if I was going to do Spider-Verse, I'd have it as something not unlike that Marvel Team-Up story with Invincible, where 616 Spidey gets sent across the multiverse randomly. Maybe the Inheritors are specifically hunting Peter to get him back for killing Morlun, and are having the Master Weaver him bounce him around the multiverse to wear him down/make the hunt more challenging, with Daddy Morlun ordering that no Spiders can be eaten until Pete dies as a motivator for his offspring (also to avoid the gratuitous spider-murder). You could still have the Morlunverse idea as the big finisher, only instead of them having 'total domination over reality' (I daresay that guy with the funny name who's killing the multiverse in Hickman's Avengers would contest the idea), they just control one dimension and go out and hunt totems in the multiverse with the help of the enslaved Master Weaver, who it turns out sent 'our' Spidey bouncing round the multiverse to meet up with the other Spiders who have coordinated themselves to help, who ride in like the cavalry till 616 Spidey frees the Weaver, who then defeats the Inheritors and sends the Spiders home. Maybe in Spider-Verse Team-Up, you could follow some of the multiversal Spideys who are gathering the Spider-Army and having team-ups of their own in the process. A celebration of Spidey in his various incarnations, rather than random murder for cheap attention. But I'm terribly uncreative Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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