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Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Another old stand-by, Lost Cosmonauts.

Wiki posted:

Lost Cosmonauts, or Phantom Cosmonauts, is a conspiracy theory alleging that Soviet cosmonauts entered outer space, but without their existence having been acknowledged by either the Soviet or Russian space authorities.

Proponents of the Lost Cosmonauts theory concede that Yuri Gagarin was the first man to survive human spaceflight, but claim that the Soviet Union attempted to launch two or more manned space flights prior to Gagarin's, and that at least two cosmonauts died in the attempts. Another cosmonaut, Vladimir Ilyushin, is believed to have landed off-course and been held by the Chinese government. The Government of the Soviet Union supposedly suppressed this information, to prevent bad publicity during the height of the Cold War.

Some of the tales spun about Soviet space get a little dark (and of course some of the actual stuff is too.) If you're into Cold War shenanigans it's a good place to start. This has a list of the various phantoms in detail.

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Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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hey man lookin' good :respek:

Content: Nazi-ish enclave in Chile

Colonia Dignidad posted:


Nazi ties

Both the Central Intelligence Agency and Simon Wiesenthal have presented evidence of the presence at the colony of the infamous Nazi concentration camp doctor Josef Mengele, known as the "Angel of Death" for his lethal experiments on human subjects during the Holocaust.[5]

Tortures

During the military dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet the Colonia Dignidad served as a special torture center. In 1991, Chile’s National Commission for Truth and Reconciliation concluded “that a certain number of people apprehended by the DINA were really taken to Colonia Dignidad, held prisoner there for some time, and that some of them were subjected to torture, and that besides DINA agents, some of the residents there were involved in these actions.”[6]

This was reported in the March 1977 Amnesty International report, "disappeared prisoners in Chile".[7]


...and a whole bunch of other poo poo involving sexual abuse, weapons caches, disappearances and who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes. IIRC there were some interesting blog posts floating around out there by people who actually traveled there.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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A solid technical/nerd debunking of the Lost Cosmonauts is here for those who don't want to wade through links of links.

Also Unethical human experimentation in the United States has its own wiki page.

I've always thought the Green Run was a good starting point.

quote:

The "Green Run" was a secret U.S. Government release of radioactive fission products on December 2–3, 1949, at the Hanford Site plutonium production facility, located in Eastern Washington. Radioisotopes released at that time were supposed to be detected by U.S. Air Force reconnaissance. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to the U.S. Government have revealed some of the details of the experiment.[1] Sources cite 5,500 to 12,000 curies (200 to 440 TBq) of iodine-131 released,[1][2][3] and an even greater amount of xenon-133. The radiation was distributed over populated areas, and caused the cessation of intentional radioactive releases at Hanford until 1962 when more experiments commenced.[3]

There are some indications contained in the documents released by the FOIA requests that many other tests were conducted in the 1940s prior to the Green Run, although the Green Run was a particularly large test. Evidence suggest that filters to remove the iodine were disabled during the Green Run.[3][4]

Why wait for nuclear war for fallout fun!

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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quote:

chemtrail crap

Probably stems from Operation LAC; "Operation LAC (Large Area Coverage), was a U.S. Army Chemical Corps operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) particles over much of the United States. The purpose was to determine the dispersion and geographic range of biological or chemical agents."

See also Operation Dew

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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GWBBQ posted:

They did use allegedly harmless bacteria in addition to chemical agents. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/weapon-secret-testing/

I had forgotten about that part. Years ago there was an article by a guy (student I think) who was reading through old medical journals and came across material from a CA doctor noting an outbreak of an unusual disease affecting the elderly. A lot of the resulting detective work helped draw attention to this stuff. Can't find the original but this on Serratia looks to hit the highlights.

Going back to Masonic/Orders :tinfoil: content: Propaganda Due

quote:

Propaganda Due ... or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic, "black", or "covert" lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy banning secret associations) from 1976 to 1981. During the years that the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire.[1]

P2 was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state"[2] or a "shadow government".[3] The lodge had among its members prominent journalists, members of parliament, industrialists, and military leaders—including Silvio Berlusconi, who later became Prime Minister of Italy; the Savoy pretender to the Italian throne Victor Emmanuel; and the heads of all three Italian intelligence services (at the time SISDE, SISMI and CESIS).

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Your Gay Uncle posted:

Does anybody have the link from the last thread about that Russian guy who personally executed something like 1000 people?

Vasili Blokhin

quote:

Blokhin's most infamous act was the April 1940 execution by shooting of over 7,000 Polish prisoners interned in the Ostashkov prisoner of war camp—mostly military—and police officers who had been captured following the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939—as part of the extended Katyn massacre.[10] ...

Blokhin initially decided on an ambitious quota of 300 executions per night; and engineered an efficient system in which the prisoners were individually led to a small antechamber—which had been painted red and was known as the "Leninist room"—for a brief and cursory positive identification, before being handcuffed and led into the execution room next door. The room was specially designed with padded walls for soundproofing, a sloping concrete floor with a drain and hose, and a log wall for the prisoners to stand against. Blokhin would stand waiting behind the door in his executioner garb: a leather butcher's apron, leather hat, and shoulder-length leather gloves. Then, without a hearing, the reading of a sentence or any other formalities, each prisoner was brought in and restrained by guards while Blokhin shot him once in the base of the skull with a German Walther Model 2 .25 ACP pistol.[13][14][15] He had brought a briefcase full of his own Walther pistols, since he did not trust the reliability of the standard-issue Soviet TT-30 for the frequent, heavy use he intended. The use of a German pocket pistol, which was commonly carried by German police and intelligence agents, also provided plausible deniability of the executions if the bodies were discovered later.[16]

Blokhin and his team worked without pause for ten hours each night, with Blokhin executing an average of one prisoner every three minutes.[3] At the end of the night, Blokhin provided vodka to all his men.[18] On April 27, 1940, Blokhin secretly received the Order of the Red Banner and a modest monthly pay premium as a reward from Joseph Stalin for his "skill and organization in the effective carrying out of special tasks".[19][20] His count of 7,000 shot in 28 days remains the most organized and protracted mass murder by a single individual on record;[3] and saw him being named the Guinness World Record holder for 'Most Prolific Executioner' in 2010.[4]

Not much left to say after that.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Courtesy the airpower thread: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_gardening

quote:

Beginning in the 1950s, atomic gardens were a part of Atoms for Peace, a program to develop "peaceful"[2] uses of fission energy after WWII. Gamma gardens were established in laboratories in the US, Europe, parts of the former USSR, India[4] and Japan. The Atomic Gardening Society was set up in 1959 by Muriel Howorth in the UK. The youngest member of the society was Christopher Abbey (15), a student at Eastbourne College and the son of her dentist, who received a certificate of merit for propagating several species of irradiated seeds to maturity. Irradiated seeds were sold to the public by C.J. Speas, who had obtained a licence for a Cobalt-60 source; and sold seeds produced in a backyard cinderblock bunker. A number of commercial plant varieties were developed and released.[5]

Love that cold war optimism :allears:

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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One WWI story that that always got to me was The Bayonet Trench at Verdun.

quote:

When the battlefield clearance parties began to search the Verdun area after the war, one party found what appeared to be a mass grave of men from one unit, the 137th Infantry Regiment. It was thought that they were killed in their "jumping off" trench when the intense German shelling literally buried them alive. The story was that Father Ratier, an army chaplain, who had been a stretcher bearer with the 137th in 1916, found a line of some thirty nine bayonets protruding from the ground: each one marking the location of a body and here the legend started and the spot is marked by a memorial known as the "Trench of Bayonets"

There has been some doubts over the veracity (or at least some of the details) of it. However trench collapses were a very real thing. For example: The 'Pompeii' of the Western Front: Archaeologists find the bodies of 21 tragic World War One German soldiers in perfectly preserved trenches where they were buried alive by an Allied shell.

Article has pics of the site/artifacts. It's just all around spooky.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Syd Midnight posted:


I remember reading an article on the closest thing to actual literal "brainwashing" I'd ever heard of, using mental patients as test subjects. The example discussed was a bipolar housewife. The CIA or Pentagon or whatever was quietly hoping they'd find a method of turning someone into a programmable robot, and the process went something like.. hooking them up to an IV of some psychedelic drug while they're blindfolded and strapped to a bed and listening to white noise played over headphones, like sensory deprivation, for 2 weeks. It washed her brain all right, she reverted to a completely infantile state and just laid there drooling and crapping herself. It was like the mother of all shock treatment I guess.

Over the next few months she had to learn how to walk and read and stuff like that all over again and couldn't remember much of anything from before the procedure, even her name. After a year she was calm, docile, and moderately functional, and since this was like 1960 the doctors decided that was a success and sent her home with her husband. The CIA was unimpressed, since they already had much less labor-intensive methods of turning a person into a retard, so the project was dropped and the files got tossed into the bin with all the other "turn a person into a retard" techniques of the era.

I'm almost certain I read about it in a fairly reliable source but I can't remember where, so I could also be full of poo poo. But its a nice story either way.

Meet Donald Ewen Cameron. From his (admittedly iffy) wiki:

quote:

MKULTRA Subproject 68

MKULTRA Subproject 68 was one of Cameron's ongoing "attempts to establish lasting effects in a patient's behaviour" using a combination of particularly intensive electroshock, intensive repetition of prearranged verbal signals, partial sensory isolation, and repression of the driving period carried out by inducing continuous sleep for seven to ten days at the end of the treatment period. During research on sensory deprivation, Cameron used curare to immobilise his patients. After one test he noted: "Although the patient was prepared by both prolonged sensory isolation (35 days) and by repeated depatterning, and although she received 101 days of positive driving, no favourable results were obtained." Patients were regularly treated with hallucinogenic drugs, long periods in the "sleep room", and testing in the Radio Telemetry Laboratory, which was built under Cameron's direction. Here, patients were exposed to a range of RF and electromagnetic signals and monitored for changes in behaviour. It was later stated by staff members who had worked at the Institute during this time that not one patient sent to the Radio Telemetry Lab showed any signs of improvement afterwards.[23]

Cameron was apparently mentioned by Naomi Klein in The Shock Doctrine and also got a spot on season 2, episode 2 of the show Dark Matters: Twisted But True

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Looking for unusual TV/radio transmissions lead me to The Most Mysterious Broadcasts, Weirdest Transmissions and Strangest Sounds Ever Recorded.

Which in turn lead to this bit on Operation Wandering Soul (wiki included to keep on topic)>

Which in turn lead to an actual recording. :ghost:

It's too easy to start clicking around on this stuff.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Sappo569 posted:

I always love reading stories about the weird poo poo that happened during WWII, specifically things like the occult experiments the Germans did etc.

I'm a sucker for movies like Outpost and the like

Any good links for that sort of thing to read?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wewelsburg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke

Plenty of links within links. Also I think the book The Master Plan: Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust has been dropped in one of these threads before.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Post Your Favorite (or Request) > PYF unnerving article or story: How did she frig her oval office while making GBS threads?

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Solice Kirsk posted:

Huh, we really are the bad guys aren't we.

No because Communism. :eng101:

Paranoid cold war programs crawl off in all sorts of directions. Kind of limitless in the things they can tie into.

Operation Gladio...The "Sacrifice" of Aldo Moro

Propaganda Due.

quote:

Propaganda Due, or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic, "black", or "covert" lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy banning secret associations) from 1976 to 1981. During the years that the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona's financial empire.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Some books from goon-dom that worked out; The Monster of Florence about killings in Italy, The Lost City of Z: A Tale of Deadly Obsession in the Amazon about old time archaeology, and A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments about...well, CIA stuff.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Delivery McGee posted:

Was that the one where the author was a person of interest at one point because he knew so much? I seem to remember reading that on his blog (which I used to follow because I was really into his fiction series, of which I just noticed there are three more, dammit). Also it's apparently being made into a movie starring George Clooney as the author?

He and his co-author were suspected of involvement, yeah. It's an interesting look at how investigations can go kinda ape.

Got the article by the author, guess it counts as a spoiler: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/07/the-monster-of-florence/304981/

f/e: could see George Clooney doing this...

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Have 5000 odd words on Toilet Paper orientation

quote:

While many people consider this topic unimportant, some hold strong opinions on the matter. Advice columnist Ann Landers said that the subject was the most responded to (15,000 letters in 1986) and controversial issue in her column's history. Defenders of either position cite advantages ranging from aesthetics, hospitality, and cleanliness to paper conservation, the ease of detaching individual squares, and compatibility with a recreational vehicle or a cat. Some writers have proposed connections to age, sex, or political philosophy, and survey evidence has shown a correlation with socioeconomic status.[2] A generic answer is that it should hang the way the person doing the roll changing prefers.

Solutions range from compromise, to using separate dispensers or separate bathrooms entirely, or simply ignoring the issue altogether. One man advocates a plan under which his country will standardize on a single forced orientation, and at least one inventor hopes to popularize a new kind of toilet roll holder which swivels from one orientation to the other.[3]

Also someone is still maintaining the (x) number of creepy wiki articles for skimming.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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ranbo das posted:

Some weird choices in there. Like String Theory isn't really that creepy, neither are sailing stones.

edit: and apparently just some random band's wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavishnu_Orchestra

They've always been hit or miss. Here's an older one courtesy the archive. IIRC earlier threads did go into who was putting them together but can't recall specifics.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Sex Hobbit posted:

Can't find the link but I think I remember hearing she was identified :unsmith:

You're probably thinking of a case from http://www.charleyproject.org :nms:

Don't recall which one though.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Droogie posted:


Thank you all for coming on this hosed up, unsolved journey with me. If any updates become available to any aspect of this case, I will post about it in the future here or in whatever the next incarnation of the thread may be. And on a final note, please read Dead Mountain before any of you decide to post about the Dyatlov Pass incident again. It’s got fantastic theories grounded in reality.

No Droogie, Thank you.

(Because it hasn't been said recently)

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Jack Gladney posted:

Has there been a real case of youtube recording evidence of something disturbing where it turned out to be real? I know that spree shooter who shot people from his BMW had a channel that is still up, but as far as I know nothing related to his crimes.

You would likely have to go searching for the raw video uploads. Here's an old thread on it but can't really recommend it. In an earlier version goons were finding cartel executions and poo poo.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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pookel posted:

I was going to mention that everything about her story is very understandable to me, I guess maybe this is why.

I mean, when you've been taught all your life that your real worth as a woman is based on your attractiveness, and you can't figure out why no one wants to date you and are hopelessly socially awkward, it can be really really difficult to feel like your life has any meaning, no matter what other accomplishments you rack up. I'm also reminded of that astronaut who stalked her love interest's girlfriend across the country a few years back - anyone remember that case?

Lisa Nowak. The wiki seems pretty thorough.

Here's an NYT article from the time.

Doesn't seem to be much recent stuff though.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Knormal posted:

The New York Times article has this picture of some of the bystanders, that one dude on the right just doesn't' give a gently caress about no assassinations.

Looks about old enough to remember this.

quote:

Political violence in Turkey became a challenging problem in late 1970s.[2] The violence was even described as a "low-level war".[3] The death squads of Turkish right-wing ultra-nationalist groups against left-wing opposition inflicted some 5,000 casualties. The wave of violence dimmed after the 1980 Turkish coup d'état.

.....

Unprecedented political violence had erupted in Turkey in the late 1970s. The overall death toll of the 1970s is estimated at 5,000, with nearly ten assassinations per day.[3] Most were members of left-wing and right-wing political organizations, then engaged in bitter fighting. The ultra-nationalist Grey Wolves, youth organisation of the MHP, claimed they were supporting the security forces.[4] According to the British Searchlight magazine, in 1978 there were 3,319 fascist attacks, in which 831 were killed and 3,121 wounded.[5] In the central trial against the left-wing organization Devrimci Yol (Revolutionary Path) at Ankara Military Court the defendants listed 5,388 political killings before the military coup. Among the victims were 1,296 right-wingers and 2,109 left-wingers. The others could not clearly be related.[6] The 1978 Bahçelievler Massacre, the 1977 Taksim Square massacre with 35 victims and the 1978 Kahramanmaraş Massacre with over 100 victims are some notable incidents. Martial law was announced following the Kahramanmaraş Massacre in 14 of (then) 67 provinces in December 1978. At the time of the coup martial law had been extended to 20 provinces.

The conflict with the Kurds intensified at this time as well.

Old dudes tend to see some poo poo.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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I don't really go for the True Crime type stuff but this one jumped out; Russian 'mastermind' behind 'online suicide cult' held by police

quote:

Ilya Sidorov, 26, is accused of encouraging youngsters to self-harm and kill themselves in a twisted game likened to the “Blue Whale challenge” that has been linked to more than 130 deaths.

Children who join the game are told to cut themselves, watch horror films, and go without sleep as they carry out a series of “tasks” apparently aimed at damaging their mental health.

On the 50th day of the “challenge” they are told to commit suicide.

Mr Sidorov is said to have recruited up to 32 schoolchildren to his group before his dramatic arrest in Moscow.


There doesn't seem to be a lot of other info. on it though. IIRC this sort of thing has come up before but not quite to this extent. And since I'd not heard of it Blue Whale (game)

quote:

The Blue Whale Game (Russian: Синий кит, Siniy kit) is an Internet urban legend[1] first mentioned in Russia in 2013. It is allegedly an existing game which consists of a series of tasks assigned to players by administrators during a 50-day period, with the final challenge requiring the player to commit suicide.[2] It was first run by teenagers as a joke, linked by them with real suicide cases, but became popular among teenagers in 2016 after a journalist with a loose understanding of Internet culture published an article which caused moral panic in Russian society and listed (questionably) real victims.[3] If not suicides, where the so-called "game" was reported as real in suggestive TV reports and newspaper articles, the news caused at least emulations and false alarms - as in Italy. Where the hoax has been debunked with timely explanations, there has been no harm - as in Bulgaria.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCM4_5uB1ww

A shameful oversight.

Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Rev. Bleech_ posted:

We was comin' back from the island of Tinian to Leyte - just delivered the BUMB, the Hiroshima bumb. Eleven hundred men went into the water.

Related item for those who haven't seen it: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shipwreck-idUSKCN1AZ0SX

quote:

U.S. warship Indianapolis found 18,000 feet deep in Pacific Ocean

After a Navy historian unearthed new information in 2016 about the warship's last movements that pointed to a new search area, a team of civilian researchers led by Paul Allen, a Microsoft Corp co-founder, spent months searching in a 600-square-mile (1,500-square-kilometer) patch of ocean.

With a vessel rigged with equipment that can reach some of the deepest ocean floors, members of Allen's team found the wreckage somewhere in the Philippine Sea on Friday, Allen said in a statement on his website. The statement said the Navy had asked Allen to keep the precise location confidential.

Identification was easier than in some deep-sea expeditions: some of the exposed wreck was clearly marked with Indianapolis signage, according to photographs shared by Allen and the Navy.

"It is exceedingly rare you find the name of the ship on a piece of the wreckage," Paul Taylor, a spokesman for the Naval History and Heritage Command, said in a telephone interview. "If that's not Indianapolis then I don't know what is."

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Erghh
Sep 24, 2007

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Took awhile to catch up with the thread but someone was looking for some supernatural-ish lore stuff to dig into. So have the Tonton Macoute.

They were the terror squad of Haitian dictator François "Papa Doc" Duvalier. They murdered, raped, mutilated and disappeared anyone viewed as a threat to the regime. However they also steeped themselves in the dark parts of Haitian folklore/mythology and courted Voudou leaders, much like Duvalier himself.

What brought real international attention was thier leader Luckner Cambronne, a.k.a the "Vampire of the Caribbean". He had a side business selling blood and cadavers to the west. His business, Hemo-Caribbean, sent a lot of blood to the US which some believe hastened the spread of HIV/AIDS. (And probably affected a lot of ugly attitudes toward Haiti anyway.)

Also in the mix was Madame Max Adolphe. She was in charge of Fort Dimanche prison and

quote:

She was later promoted to the Supreme Head of the Fillettes Laleau, the female branch of the Tonton Macoutes.[4] She also collected a monthly rent check from U.S. Special Forces for the use of her compound.[5] She was reported to have supervised the torture of children and elderly, and to have kept video tapes of the horrors. She liked to arm herself with an Uzi machine-gun.[6]

The final kicker is that she disappeared at the end of the Duvalier regime and remains unaccounted for to this day.

There doesn't seem to be much out there on the topic, just a few stray bits like this and this.

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