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Sarcopenia posted:https://people.com/crime/man-allegedly-drowned-wife-hot-tub-closed-lid-on-her/ How is this involuntary manslaughter if they have him on camera closing the lid on her?
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I mean it says that he's on camera "struggling" with her to close the lid, then when she "stopped resisting" he walked away and went into the house for 90 minutes before eventually calling 911. It seems pretty clear cut to me but I guess the actual tape must have some ambiguity in it.
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Feb 16, 2019 00:57
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ToxicSlurpee posted:One thing I read is that they tend to target low-hanging fruit. They'll go for people who look vulnerable or those that don't have good support systems. A lot of serial killers target prostitutes specifically because they're often broke as hell, in a desperate situation that led them to prostitution in the first place, and are easy to get alone because you can just be all "hey I pay you for some gently caress" then when they're alone it's murder o'clock. The police are less likely to care much (or even notice for that matter) if another random prostitute with either no relatives who give a poo poo or no relatives at all goes missing. Most people these days will tell you that the development of profiling in the FBI during the 80's was bullshit, and for the most part that's correct, but it's easy to forget how some very very basic ideas hadn't been accepted yet in terms of the way investigations are done. The idea of victimology, that you can gain insight into how a killer operates by looking at the victims they target, is one of those things. Doesn't mean it ever gives you this magical ability to describe the killer or point them out, but it can give you a road map to other potential cases to investigate and avenues of of inquiry to take, which in turn can lead to potential suspects.
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Mar 6, 2019 20:45
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You'd think the father, somewhere during the process of being sued and potentially losing control of the crime scene, would've dug up the body and moved it somewhere else. Men who murder their wives are often arrogant I suppose.
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Apr 9, 2019 14:45
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luxury handset posted:my man, have you ever torn up a concrete slab? I had no idea it was concrete, I couldn't read the article without a subscription. But yea, that does change the situation quite a bit because of the effort involved but also the attention you'd get from the noise and equipment needed.
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Apr 9, 2019 16:46
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CleverHans posted:Pretty sure it's still working for Hoffa, somewhere. Noted mob hitman Kuklinski says that the body was burned in an oil drum, then the drum was welded shut and eventually compacted down into a cube. Then the cube was shipped off somewhere in Asia with other scrap metal. When the mob wants your body gone I guess they don't gently caress around.
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Apr 9, 2019 17:48
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Scorsese apparently shot a movie starring Deniro as a guy who has claimed to have killed Hoffa. It's called The Irishman, coming out at some point later this year.
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Apr 9, 2019 18:51
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AFewBricksShy posted:That's Frank Sheeran (see my post above). Yea, his explanation for the Kennedy assassination is that Hoffa arranged it because he was pissed off at RFK for "harassing" him. Tough to believe Hoffa would've even thought of assassinating the President as an option, it just seems ridiculous on it's face. The wiki page also says that there was in fact blood found at the house Sheeran claims he killed Hoffa in but that the DNA didn't match Hoffa.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:29
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christmas boots posted:That kid was committed. That’s some monte cristo poo poo Only better ending is if he lured the father back to the house and then buried his rear end in the same spot, never to be seen or heard from again.
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Apr 9, 2019 19:57
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One More Fat Nerd posted:I have no idea what could be gleaned from her posts, but she didnt come off as schizo or otherwise delusional. Just sad and angry. It's possible she was experiencing the first traumatic break that can lead to an actual diagnosis of schizophrenia, it's very common for people to be diagnosed in their 20s, 18 would be quite young. Some of her writings seem to indicate she was having thoughts that scared her and that she wished would go away, much like the way some schizophrenics hear voices. It would've been very beneficial to the country for her to be caught alive though, because she could've been a rare source of information. It's not often you can study a potential mass shooter before they actually commit any violence or are killed themselves. Most of the shooters who have been arrested after the fact are not exactly cooperative in terms of study and psychological testing.
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Apr 17, 2019 21:03
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ElGroucho posted:Car accident: Oh gently caress! Yea, like a poster above said, it's really not about statistics it's about the absolute nightmare scenario of being in a plane that's plummeting to Earth and having to ride it all the way down with the full awareness of what's going to happen. Doesn't matter how rare it is, it's a situation that people fear more than almost any other, with the exception of maybe going down with a cruise ship or something.
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Jun 21, 2019 18:23
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Loky11 posted:https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/26/man-looks-like-mummy-rescued-bear-den-month-vanished-10073644/ I thought that scene from Se7en was over the top, but drat, I guess it wasn't.
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Jun 26, 2019 17:07
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pookel posted:The hooks would make them raise their eyebrows though, surely? I think the key thing is that clearly the guy was designing the room to secretly keep something in it, it wasn't a room that could've even been used for any type of real activity like recording or kinky sex stuff. The size is important, the article says it was about the size of a walk-in closet. So you can't really do anything in there other than store stuff, and so what would you need to store that requires soundproofing and hooks set into the walls with concrete?
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Jul 8, 2019 21:01
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pookel posted:I mean, a small room with inset hooks in the walls is exactly what some people need for kinky activities, though. I'm not saying it seems harmless, just that it's not enough to prove someone's planning to murder anyone, because it's easily explained away with "we're into some weird poo poo and REALLY don't want anyone walking in on us." Like, walk-in closet sized though? I've seen a lot of walk-in closets and sure it's bigger than a regular closet but it doesn't seem to me that there's enough space in there to do anything but store stuff(or in this case, keep someone locked up).
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Jul 9, 2019 20:18
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Azathoth posted:Or how up until relatively recently, anyone could disappear completely just by cutting off all contact with everyone they knew, moving to a new town, and starting to use a new name. A big part of that too is that in previous decades the kind of work you could find with no documentation of who you were and no personal connections was still good enough to get a roof over your head and feed yourself. Like, you could become a short order cook at a Dennys or a landscaper or something and build your life back up from there. Today those jobs either require ID or they just pay so terribly that you'd still have to live on the street.
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Jul 12, 2019 18:56
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Semaphores, damnit! Clacks! Rader is usually who I point to when people say that profiling is completely worthless, because there are some basic insights into his personality that they were able to use to play him into giving them his personal info. Like, when a serial killer asks you whether or not you can get his information from a computer disc, there's probably a debate about whether or not lying to him would cause him to cut off contact and go underground. But they took the gamble and it paid off. So profiling is mostly just very basic psychology and personality stuff but it can still be a useful tool.
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Jul 12, 2019 21:20
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Pvt.Scott posted:Accepting money to cover all back fees is a tacit approval of the behavior that is being punished. You don’t want the school to look weak, do you? The beatings will continue until society improves and provides free meals to all students! For real though that's the "logic" they use to justify it. That you'd be encouraging people not to pay if you all the sudden let someone swoop in and pay their bill for them. As if this was like flat screen t.v.s or something and not children's school lunches.
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Jul 25, 2019 14:08
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CleverHans posted:"Farmer finds human orthopedic plate in crocodile's stomach" Goddamn, when crocs are on the ground their size doesn't seem to really translate in pictures, but you really get it when you see one hanging vertically like that with the two people standing next to it for context. Sad though, sounds like that croc was living a nice quiet croc life but then lost a fight for territory or something who knows.
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Aug 1, 2019 15:40
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bamhand posted:I just don't understand how even with #metoo, Polanski just gets a pass for being a mega rapist. Is it just because people like his art? People liked Kevin Spacey but he's now universally seen as an rear end in a top hat. Why does this dude get a pass? And it's not like there's any ambiguity to his guilt and his crimes are absolutely horrific, way worse than most other people who have been brought down. I think it's because people just see it as old news, whereas the Spacey thing was not widely known to the public before recently. So there's this reaction that people have where they want to say "Whatever Polanski did it was decades ago, so can we really still want to punish him for it all these years later?", which of course completely neglects the fact that A)he never actually faced real consequences for it and B)yea all these fuckers should be punished regardless of how long ago it was. People are just always gonna focus on something that's "new" versus something they perceive as over and done with.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:23
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bamhand posted:I don't see anyone supporting the Catholic Church for all those rapes that happened decades ago. Except uh ... rapists within the church I guess. Or Bill Cosby. It just feels like this one dude has some kind of magic spell on public opinion. It's more about when the public learns of it, not when it actually happened. The Polanski stuff has been widely known for many years, and so people have kinda assimilated it into their brains and then when it gets brought up again they think of it as old news that's already been dealt with, even though Polanski was never actually brought to justice.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:34
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Yea Kemper is bizarre because of how much self-awareness he had, not just after he was caught but throughout the time he was committing the crimes too. He was acutely aware that he was killing girls as a way to offload the anger he had towards his mother, and then when he killed his mother he immediately knew it was over and so he turned himself in. Compare that to someone like Bundy, who didn't seem to ever put 2 and 2 together in terms of the reasons why he had such ridiculously explosive violent tendencies and why he seemed to only target a certain type of woman. Or if he did have awareness of it, he never once expressed that openly as far as I know. He came clean about the murders at the end but never seemed to gain an understanding of himself beyond "I had a compulsion to kill these women and over time became very skilled at it".
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In early 80's L.A., there was such a big problem with black prostitutes going missing/turning up murdered that the community had to get a whole social movement going just to shame the cops into investigating. They eventually gave in and begrudgingly opened an investigation in late 1985. Like 20 years later Lonnie Franklin(The Grim Sleeper) was arrested for a bunch of murders during that time and he was basically just bringing prostitutes back to his place(in full view of witnesses) and murdering them. Nothing complicated about it, but he was able to be that brazen for many years just because nobody was really looking all that hard for the killer. In fact, the name "Grim Sleeper" refers to a long period of time where Franklin was thought to have stopped killing but really that's a very generous read of the situation considering how easily he was able to stay under the radar when he WAS killing. It's likely he never stopped but that the cops just didn't get serious about making an arrest in the case until the early 2000s.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:16
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showbiz_liz posted:One of the reasons for this trend is the fact that, long ago, FBI profilers decided that serial killers were all intelligent and charming, which are qualities racists refuse to attribute to black men. Honestly I think Thomas Harris and Anthony Hopkins did more to cement that idea in the public consciousness than any of the actual profilers. If not for the real life/fiction combo of Ted Bundy and Hannibal Lecter, I think the idea of the serial killer would be much different than it is today. But the Hopkins character and the real life Bundy kinda overtook the whole concept and defined it based on that one specific personality type.
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Oct 9, 2019 20:53
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Azathoth posted:I'd also toss Richard Ramirez, the Not-So-Original Night Stalker, into that mix. He's the prototype of the unrepentant evil monster serial killer. Unrepentant, sure. But he was very disorganized. Not the kind of meticulous planning of BTK or the personality that allowed Bundy to lure women away from safety. Hannibal Lecter is basically just an amalgam of all those elements that can make a serial killer not just extremely dangerous but also alluring. There really isn't one person you can point to and say that he fits the Hannibal Lecter profile because really he's a very stylized character that has no equivalent in real life. But Silence of the Lambs was such a well made film that people absorbed that character into the public consciousness as like the prototypical serial killer.
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Yea Harris spent a lot of time with the BSU and so he knew about all those cases in detail and so he just cherrypicked the most sensational elements to create his characters. But what works in a fictional thriller obviously isn't always going to reflect reality. So in real life you've got plenty of killers who were intelligent, but maybe had poor social skills. Or they were charismatic but too dumb(or mentally ill) to think far enough ahead to plan very much.
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Oct 9, 2019 21:27
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Really it's anyone who isn't straight and white. There have been several serial killers who preyed on black women and the cops just act like the victims never existed in the first place. The community ends up having to start some sort of independent investigation to shame the cops into action most of the time.
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Azathoth posted:There were three known serial killers active at the same time in Los Angeles in the 90s killing black sex workers. Nick Broomfield did a documentary about one of them, Lonnie Franklin. This guy was just brazenly escorting prostitutes into his apartment in full view of everyone in the neighborhood, and there just wasn't anything to be done about it because the police didn't give a poo poo. Without a community group that forced their hand I think Franklin might never have been caught.
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Yea I can see how maybe they were not very used to rain at all because they were from an area that was almost always cold enough for it to turn to snow. So they see rain and they think "oh this is fine, it means it's too warm to freeze!" and didn't think about what happens when you get wet in cold temperatures even if it's not below freezing.
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Dec 6, 2019 22:21
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PetraCore posted:The mental image of finding your family's bodies like that is horrifying. I don't blame the air traffic controller, I blame the bare-bones operating, but I also think it's unsurprising that Kaloyev had such a mental breakdown. The fact that he got so lauded back home for something he did in the depths of septic grief is unnerving, but maybe slightly more understandable because iirc all the dead children were from Odessa, so there's a lot of unresolved emotion around the crash. It's easier to blame one man than it is to blame the entire chain of management decisions that lead to that man running between two different stations that night, I guess. Reading some of the technical stuff on the wiki page, I really do feel bad for the controller. He was handling both planes because it had become known standard practice for one of the on duty controllers to sleep while the other one handled everything alone. Management was fully aware of it. Aside from that, there was a warning that was supposed to sound several minutes before the controller actually clued into the problem and it was not working due to "maintenance". It just sounds like a poo poo company that was cutting corners and putting it's employees in a position where the usual redundancies weren't there.
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Five guys try to navigate a cave dive passage, and it does not go well. Was reading this one and it mentioned a documentary, turns out it's available on Amazon Prime. It's called Diving Into the Unknown.
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Feb 28, 2020 16:43
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Terra-da-loo! posted:Not trying to change the topic or anything, but after watching the four episodes of that Night Stalker docuseries on Netflix, I just can't get over the fact that apparently Ramirez had a fuckin godawful stench. Possibly from how his teeth were actively rotting from his skull. I think he was also living pretty rough at that point. When the killings started he was living in a hotel but at some point I think he was basically homeless, just floating around from place to place in between killings.
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I'm sure you all have gone over a lot of the Gilgo Beach stuff but I'm confused about something. From what I understand, the case was cold for ten years, then all the sudden in 2022 they form this task force and they solve it in 6 weeks. Apparently they had a witness who saw a victim get into a Chevy Avalanche, and then the killer's name came up when they started looking into Avalanches registered in the area. So.....why was this basic poo poo not done at some point in the past 10 years.? Did this witness just come to light recently? Why were they not able to check those registrations before now?
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Grassy Knowles posted:3. Just develop a searchable database of make and models of registered cars I guess maybe that could be it if they formed the task force in response to the new development of getting the list of registered Avalanches. So now they have this list to investigate and they need resources so they form the task force. I dunno though, searching make and models of registered cars seems like basic poo poo that they've been able to do for a long time? Am I off on that? Pogonodon posted:From what I understand, they wanted to wait a bit longer to get more evidence and possibly tie him to more murders, but there was evidence he was about to start killing again so they bolted for the finish line. I'm not questioning what they did once they zeroed in on the killer in 2022, I'm questioning why they weren't able to do that in the decade prior when all it apparently took was looking up a list of registered cars. I get that once you have that list there's still a ton of work to do, they had to go over all of his cell phone data(which takes subpoenas) etc etc but the first step in identifying him seems like it should've happened a long time ago. Basebf555 has a new favorite as of 17:15 on Jul 18, 2023 |
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I guess it'll be another case where there will be a whole Netflix documentary about it a few years from now where the cops being interviewed get all huffy and self-righteous when asked questions about why they didn't do all of this basic investigative work sooner. Feels similar to the Yorkshire Ripper case. It was just jarring to me to see these guys up there at the press conference with their chest out like they're Sherlock Holmes, and the media just not questioning at all the fact that this task force somehow cracked a 10 year old cold case in 6 weeks.
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