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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fried Chicken posted:

Well gently caress me I thought that wasn't out until September

Nope came out in April and is sitting at the top of my to read list after finishing Foote's Civil War Trilogy.

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
A constitutional convention is probably the worst thing that could be done now. Every state legislature getting to pick the worst hacks to possibly re-write the constitution would fast track us to a civil war more than anything.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Be forewarned that Foote's narrative is three volumes long, and they're not short volumes either. Also, Foote is very sympathetic to Jefferson Davis, though he doesn't cross the line into Lost Cause apologia. It's a good read despite this, but seriously you're going to need to invest a lot of time to get through it.

The Jefferson Davis stuff is weird, he opens volume 1 by talking up Davis and it almost made me want to stop.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Good Citizen posted:

Ted Cruz has released his report on 76 lawless actions by Obama, and yeah, they're as bullshit as you'd imagine

http://www.scribd.com/doc/222704929/Ted-Cruz-Legal-Limit-Report-4

Ahahahaha its so nice to learn from Ted Cruz that the Bush administration was so awful that they started investigations into the 2 black guys standing in front of polling place for the crime of being black near a polling place.


e: here's the video for those that forgot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

"Dude, got my back?" :laffo:

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 7, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Cabbit posted:

As little as possible, as loudly as possible, for as long as possible.

Hello June thread title.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Relentlessboredomm posted:

Bernie Sanders did an AMA on Reddit and the local population of crazies was shockingly well heeled. Maybe its just that Bernie magic:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/24zdnn/i_am_senator_bernie_sanders_ivt_ama/

Also got Lagavulin 16 for my birthday, its a good day.

Haha apparently he's been making the occasional post in their politics forum for the past month before this.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Rockopolis posted:

So, vanilla accelerationism is dumb, and voting third party is dumb, because it basically leads to accelerationism.
But if vote splitting to third parties is enough of a concern in close races, doesn't that make the third party candidate a kingmaker, not able to win, but able to decide which way the election goes? Can third party candidates extract concessions by threatening to poo poo all over an election?

Theoretically yes it does. In practice the third party doesn't get enough sway to get into that position because of the idiotic notion that not voting for either big party is wasting a vote.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Beamed posted:

I can't believe Republicans think Obama was illegitimately elected!!! Now let me tell you how Bush stole Ohio...

Granted that dumb bullshit happens in every state on Election Day, but Ohio specifically in 2004 had a bunch of misinformation given to democratic voters and their voting machines had a load of security issues in addition to a few cases where the machines had some pretty big irregularities (that were corrected IIRC)

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

tbp posted:

That's an awfully arbitrary number. Why should there be consequences to someone with that net worth?

Good point, let's change the bar to tbp's net worth -$1.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

AstheWorldWorlds posted:

tbp if you are sincerely right wing your behavior and method of argumentation is kind of sadistic in a subtle, passive-aggressive sense.

He's right wing in that he hopes that will get more people to put him on ignore so he can top out that leader board.

E: goddamnit someone beat me to it

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 22:00 on May 9, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:

He's a "Dad Was a Liberal, gently caress You Dad" Republican who desperately tries to pretend he's a centrist "Independent". Don't buy his puppetmaster defense.

It's hilarious that mentioning that he's looking for ignores is the magic spell that gets him to stop posting for a bit.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

AATREK CURES KIDS posted:

I have to say I side with tbp here. There's a tendency in these threads to joke about killing the rich that sounds just like disjointed Freep fantasies, and goons jump to the "it was just jokes" defense. We're not in GBS, so cut it out.

Who said we were joking? :confused:

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

1stGear posted:

You motherfucker. Tell me you live in Florida so I can punch you in the face.


Quickly! Slit sedanchair's throat in a dark alley!

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 04:20 on May 10, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Install Windows posted:

See that's the thing. A lot of the worst, least earthquake-resistant buildings are exactly where the poor have already been displaced from (especially all the immediate post-1906 rebuilt places), with a lot of them having to move into boring but new enough to start having some or all of the earthquake code met housing instead.

And depending on what time of day the big one hits, you might easily have hundreds of thousands of people killed or so severely injured that they're not going to be in the market for anything but a medical ward for a significant time.

So basically what you're saying is that one day God will smote the annoying hipsters that the people in California thread complain about?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

VitalSigns posted:

I voted Dubya absentee from my deployment in Iraq. I am an idiot.

Luckily for you, your vote would have only been counted if whatever state you were absentee voting in was close!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

AstheWorldWorlds posted:

I live in an apartment.

Window planters? Or go the hydroponics route and enjoy it until you become the victim of a no knock raid by cops looking for weed.


I'm not helping am I?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Justus posted:

I can vouch for this anecdotally. I'm an engineer and I work with dozens of other engineers. In my little slice of engineer-dom, our jobs are largely to sit down in a comfortable air-conditioned space, stare at glowing rectangles all day long, and impress the non-engineers we "work" with ocassionally with our mastery of tech sounding word salad.

As one of the non-engineers working with y'all all day I can assure you that you're fooling no one.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Hey I only have to serve as a buffer between the engineers and the customers part of the time when I'm not holding the plotter together with bailing wire and spit.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

chairface posted:

Running rackets is hard and requires book-larnin'. Naked intimidation attempts are easy. I say this as a TFR goon opposed to gun buy back programs but holy poo poo :catstare:

Wait what's wrong with buyback programs? Wikipedia is saying the first one organized in San Francisco was poorly organized (they ran out of cash) but that's all.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

SedanChair posted:

That sounds like something Mark Penn would float to be honest. I'm still afraid that suddenly, at the last minute, Mark Penn will do something to make Rand Paul president. Mark Penn is going to cause the end of the world.


This is the way the world ends, not with bang but with Mark Penn.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

mdemone posted:

Good sweet Lord. Wouldn't ten 80mm pieces have done the job without having to spend years making something so...ridiculous?


The nazi war machine was literally run by a heroin addict until 1944 with a meth addled Hitler ordering increasingly dumber and dumber things made. That only two were built is a minor miracle.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Who What Now posted:

The hell does that even mean? Yay weed, but gays can go to hell?

It means please pay attention to me so that I may derail the thread as I, tbp, oft do.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Mr Interweb posted:

Gold? How do lolbertarians and Republicans differ on that?

The average republican is unaware of the term fiat as it relates to money whereas the libertarian is able to parrot that it is bad. Unfortunately as no good arguments exist for a gold standard they have nothing to parrot and are forced to come up with dumb reasons as to why fiat money is bad.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fried Chicken posted:

Thomas Friedman outs himself as a goon here. Remember, capitalism and consumer culture prevents war!

It can't be him, there's no wisdom gleaned from a conversation with a random non-american person in that post!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

hobbesmaster posted:

Bad example because missing in WWII would be "Oops, we firebombed Leipzig instead of Dresden. Guess we'll have to rearrange our schedule!"

Also the fact that bombing the wrong Nazi city still hinders their industrial output whereas missing in 'the war on terror' tends to create more terrorists down the road.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Install Windows posted:

Uh, a lot of our strategic bombing in WWII did not actually hinder industrial output.

Hinder by destroying factories, no. But hindering by removing workers through absentee-ism or death, yes. Granted the destruction of a factory is slightly more effective and morally palatable.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

ReindeerF posted:

The note said, "Congrats, Mayor Elect Maselli! See you at Fenway!"

In my heart Biden is still cold calling all of America to congratulate them on being elected Mayor of Boston.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

mooyashi posted:

Hah, the Grover joke went right over my head on the first read.

Well that might be because he should have referenced the F-35 Lightening II Super Grover instead :colbert:

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

anonumos posted:

That's the sad thing. They called themselves communists, but nothing was communal except poverty. The powerful were rich, everyone else was pushed into the dirt.

Its almost as if an industrially backwards, agricultural based nation is one of the worst places to develop communism or something :shrug:

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

absolem posted:

I am very interested in being productive. What I don't have interest in is coercion. Speaking of psuedo intellectual drivel, social contract theory is hilarious. Its a laughable justification for the guys with the most money to not only lord it over everyone else, but to turn the whole place into their own kingdom by force cloaked in democracy.

And what stops the rich from turning ancap land into their own kingdom by force?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
"My laborers are heading to work at another plant? Better give Pinkerton a call."

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

absolem posted:

The idea that the initiation of force is immoral, meaning that it would be acceptable (prudent, even) to keep them from doing so, using force back, if necessary

I'll assume that despite using "to keep them from doing so" you're not actually arguing for preemptive 'coercion' since that allows me to go "QED: regulations/society/government" but rather for an in response to something happening system.

So how would ancap land deal with such an immoral use of force such as hiring others to force people to work in the supposed factory that treats minorities as animals?

e: also if thats your real name at the bottom of the pastebin you might want to edit it out.

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 22:13 on May 22, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

absolem posted:

I didn't mean preemptively, thanks. That's an interesting question, if a person was being paid to enslave people or something similar, I suppose both the person doing the enslaving and the person who contracted the employee (and so on until you hit the source of the money or something) would be acting immorally (because they contracted it, not just because they were benefitting).

Thanks for the tip, its my friends name, and he doesnt come up from a google search for it (and also I've forgot my pastebin credentials, so)

No problem :).

But how would ancap land (or whatever we want to call your hypothetical society/system) punish the slaver and his employer(s)? Mob justice or would a system analogous to today's police (or rather what today's police should be) be put into effect?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Who What Now posted:

So I got 20 DebateDiscoFunBux that absolem really is just a jrodefeld rereg.

Pay up, I got him to post that courts would probably need to exist which jrodefeld would never do.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Pohl posted:

Hit the post button, copy your pastebin material into your OP, and make sure the title is witty and relevant. Just type anything, really. Everything you write is such bullshit it will act like chum on this forum. Do it now, it will be a fun thread for everyone involved, and this thread can go back to being whatever the hell it was before you showed up.

If you do do this, shoot Xylo an email or PM or whatever first because I recall he had some specific rules for the last time jrodefeld did something like this.

e: welp

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3636675

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

A Winner is Jew posted:

Excuse me, that's War Criminal Allen West. He didn't hold a mock execution on an innocent Iraqi just to be called Allen West thank you very much.

Seriously hoping Duckworth responds by calling him out on that.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Hmm Cruz has been the quiet side recently, what's he up to?

Ted Cruz posted:

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) said Thursday that Democrats are making moves to repeal First Amendment rights to free speech and religious liberty.

Cruz was speaking to pastors at a Family Research Council conference when he warned that Democrats were moving to quash political speech and "muzzle" pastors and their communities, according to video of a portion of Cruz's speech posted online by Right Wing Watch.

“I'm telling you, I'm not making this up," he said as the audience offscreen gasped. "Sen. Chuck Schumer [D-N.Y.] has announced the Senate Democrats are scheduling a vote on a constitutional amendment to give Congress the plenary power, the unlimited authority to regulate political speech. Because elected officials have decided they don’t like it when the citizenry has the temerity to criticize what they’ve done."

Cruz was referring to a proposed constitutional amendment from Sen. Tom Udall (D-NM) that would reverse recent Supreme Court rulings invalidating campaign finance limits, including Citizens United and McCutcheon. Schumer said the Senate would vote this year on the constitutional amendment, which seeks to capitalize on the unpopularity of the Citizens United decision in an election year.

The text of the amendment gives Congress the "power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in-kind equivalents with respect to Federal elections." Cruz said that 41 Democrats signed on to what he characterized as an all-out effort to "repeal the First Amendment."

"It explicitly says, 'nothing in this new amendment shall abridge the freedom of the press.' So the New York Times is protected, but it doesn't say the same thing about the freedom of speech, it doesn't say the same thing about religious liberty," he said. "What it says is that politicians in Washington have unlimited constitutional authority to muzzle each and every one of you if you're saying things that government finds inconvenient."

A speech writer and senior aide to Cruz, Amanda Carpenter, sent out a series of tweets Friday that claimed Democrats want to "repeal" the First Amendment "as written:"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-democrats-repeal-first-amendment

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Jimbozig posted:

In that case, poverty restricts free speech even more. By that argument, allowing poverty to exist is unconstitutional. The state thus has a duty to provide to each individual enough funds to allow them to speak their mind on billboards, TV ads, or whatever else we would be restricting with campaign finance laws.

drat you Ted Cruz!!! We were so close to sneaking socialism in the back door via the 1st amendment.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Fishmeching would be more fun to watch if D&D wasn't literally shooting fish in a barrel with a hand grenade for him.

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fried Chicken posted:

I didn't see one, which was surprising. There are a few comments in the right wing media thread but nothing dedicated to it

Well there's really not much to discuss, everyone agrees mental health issues need to be addressed and gun chat goes no where. The GBS thread is currently exploring just how pathetic this guy was.

Holy poo poo was he so pathetic it'd be hilarious if 7+ people weren't dead because of this MRA psychopath

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