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Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Look if you just have a mild flu you should just go for the higher time preference, immunodeficient co-workers be damned, or else you're literally hitter for taking a sick day.

# ¿ Nov 12, 2014 02:27

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 18:55

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

I know gently caress all about philosophy but deontology requires there to be a universal truth right? If so provide this universal truth or truths jrod.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2014 07:13

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

QuarkJets posted:

By your logic, it's immoral to enforce any kind of contract, social or otherwise.

You're not an ancap libertarian, you're an ~~anarchist~~ idiot

# ¿ Nov 14, 2014 07:14

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

And what if the contract doesn't reference a third party for enforcement

# ¿ Nov 14, 2014 08:01

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

DrProsek posted:

Whoever can find a way to mix their labor with the soil first.

Okay this has been bugging me for months but does anyone else get a mental image of some dude loving a hole in the ground whenever this stupid phrase comes up?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2014 17:24

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Cnidaria posted:

Holy poo poo I used to dislike libertarians for having their heads up their asses but this thread and especially the last few pages have shown me just how toxic their ideology really is.

It is unironically a cancer upon society and its prophets should be removed from the public at large by force.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2014 22:57

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fans posted:

Last one I promise. George Reisman solves the nature of the universe in eight tweets.

QED Take that science.

Alright jrod enough with you and band of loving retarded prophets, up against the wall with all of you

# ¿ Nov 14, 2014 23:25

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

jrodefeld posted:

Have I not made the case strongly enough that I oppose war and empire? And I am not the one speaking about the superiority of European culture. For the record, Reisman used the term "Western" culture. The only reason I posted that excerpt is that I feel that the position he has taken has everything to do with the ideas that he believes are superior for civilization, not anything to do with race or ethnicity.

You and your ilk are for the antithesis of civilization fyi

# ¿ Nov 15, 2014 02:31

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

jrodefeld posted:

Seriously though these ARE good questions about the universe.

No they're loving not. Know why? Because they go against everything science currently knows of how the universe was formed because that guys a loving idiot that's never heard of cosmic microwave background radiation.

# ¿ Nov 15, 2014 02:33

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

At this point I feel one of us could beat jrod to death and escape statist justice by printing out this thread and showing it to the judge

# ¿ Nov 15, 2014 03:25

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Haha jrod went apoplectic over us belittling this idiot and his 1200! page book.

Coincidentally this thread is currently sitting at about 1/10 Reisman's creditability.

# ¿ Nov 15, 2014 05:53

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Cemetry Gator I really like the argument but to get your prepared for disappointment, he's going to cherry pick the child labor laws thing and say that statist use of force is why your completely valid and good argument is wrong.

# ¿ Nov 15, 2014 07:07

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

"You're free to go grow and mill wheat to bake bread if the bread cartel offers serfdom in exchange for food" :smug:

# ¿ Nov 19, 2014 00:50

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Nintendo Kid posted:

It's rude the denigrate the various states within Somalia like this to be honest. Why not Bi'r Tawīl? That's a real honest no government no coercion zone.

Aren't they a monarchy now :v:

# ¿ Nov 19, 2014 05:33

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain_Maclaine posted:

But are they a ~*benevolent monarchy*~? If not, Jrod won't want anything to do with them.

Well how benevolent can a nine year old be?

# ¿ Nov 19, 2014 05:40

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Fortunately, there's at least one politician out there who's sympathetic to such libertarian sympathies generally, and that issue in particular.

I believe this one is more applicable to jrod

# ¿ Nov 19, 2014 19:28

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

The takeaway I'm getting from his screeds about contracts and aggression is that all these nut jobs are really mad they didn't emerge from the womb fully formed and able to negotiate their own social contract.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2014 04:47

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

LuftWaffle posted:

You guys are such assholes on this board that most libertarians found that it was not worth posting here, so now you just make threads where you discuss ideas that none of you actually hold, which really just amounts to a really dumb strawman circlejerk.

I used to consider myself an ancap. There are actually intelligent reasons to reject that philosophy but A.) that doesn't make every single aspect of it wrong and B.) the actual reasons to reject it aren't absolutely retarded things like "what about the roads???????"

For example someone earlier in the thread asked what would happen to their autistic sister or whatever. Well your family would take care of her, or the community, or a charity. Is that really so hard to understand? I'm sure there would be some instances where an autistic person would fall through the cracks but acting like every single one of them would just be shoved out onto the streets and be expected to survive on their own is really stupid. Not to mention the fact that countless governments have failed to help them effectively since the dawn of history.

Ah yes the ideology which can be summed up as "gently caress you, got mine" can surely be depended upon to provide for a developmentally disabled child, how stupid we were to doubt this.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2014 18:35

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Ahahaha he came back after 3 years of not posting to call us stupid for not being retarded racists.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2014 19:51

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

R-Type posted:

The short of it is, debating the radical liberals on this forum who are in majority here is an exercise in futility. I get the sentiment, it's somewhat frustrating, and really pointless. There is a reality distortion field here that seems to negate any other opinion or thinking other than extreme leftist liberalism. Enjoy your sandbox sirs and madams.

"hey man I'd totally debate you and poo poo but I'm just on a whole other level than you"

e: lol look at all those probations and bans for racism

# ¿ Nov 24, 2014 20:17

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

jrodefeld posted:

I think I need to reiterate what libertarianism is and what it isn't. I am a libertarian and I am also an individual who holds many views outside of the box called "libertarian political theory". Libertarianism is interested in defining what the proper role of force is in society. We subscribe to the non aggression principle that holds that it is never morally justified to initiate force against the person or property of another.

Let's say a black guy is handing out flyers in my neighborhood, he knocks on my door and we have a short and pleasant chat. During the chat I say he shouldn't knock on the door of the guy across the street because he's incredibly racist and on more than one occasion has expressed a desire to kill any black person on his property. I go back inside and putter around for a few minutes before glancing out my window and seeing my neighbor pummeling the black guy. Accepting that the black guy may have set foot on the guys property, how the gently caress am I not morally justified in using force to stop what I suspect may turn into a murder?

# ¿ Dec 2, 2014 07:58

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

So when libertopia is achieved and corporations dissolved do all the shareholders get an a fraction of every piece of equipment and supplies or a pile of stuff roughly equivalent to the value of their shares?

# ¿ Dec 3, 2014 00:05

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

SedanChair posted:

It's what he's used to. Writing libertarian essays should be viewed as some kind of art form, like Balinese dance, rather than a method for learning or communicating ideas.

Goon project: analyze the postings of jrod to see how closely they conform to the eight legged essay format.

# ¿ Dec 4, 2014 07:25

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Mr Interweb posted:

Thought you guys might enjoy this. Reason's Matt Welch and Nick Gillespie did an AMA on reddit the other day:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2odiw1/we_are_the_editors_of_reason_the_libertarian/

Lots of entertaining stuff in there. Specifically from Gillespie.

I dunno the first top reply from Welch where he claims Frederick Douglas as a proto-libertarian was pretty good.

e: lol someone mentioned the Kochs and he immediately replies WHAT ABOUT GEORGE SOROS???

# ¿ Dec 8, 2014 22:49

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Well of course, if you were a true captain of industry you'd always personally inspect every line of code.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2014 08:36

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Caros posted:

Apparently he also thinks that Fort Sumter and Pearl Harbor were false flag attacks.

Somewhere the ghost of Edmund Ruffin is extremely pissed off.

# ¿ Dec 30, 2014 23:28

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

To be fair if an MRI was only twenty bucks I'd probably get one once in a while as a preventive measure thing.

# ¿ Jan 2, 2015 20:02

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Disinterested posted:

Are you joking about this guy liking Pinochet? I mean, I would look at his post history but that would just be creepy and feverish.

He's a Chicago school Chilean who hates Allende soooooooo.....

# ¿ Jan 16, 2015 16:32

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

wateroverfire posted:

edit: Sweet, a new AV. More redistributed from the wallets of the global 1%.

Allende's computerized economic system was nifty looking but dumb FYI. I'm just saying that with my extensive databases of your posts you're checking all the boxes for a lover of Pinochet.

# ¿ Jan 16, 2015 17:17

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain_Maclaine posted:

No they didn't you loving idiot. If anything, Nazi representation and power in the Reichstag was declining when von Papen made the biggest miscalculation of his entire life to back the appointment of Hitler to the Chancellorship.

In Papen's defense, backing Hitler proved to not be as big a miscalculation as it was for Schleicher, the other half of team 'let's be retarded and think we can be the power behind the genocidal maniac.'

# ¿ Jan 23, 2015 02:26

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Political Whores posted:

Maybe if you weren't such a disingenuous shithead with horribly racist opinions, we would be more willing to extend you conversational goodwill. At this point I think I would find it easier to talk civilly with fascists than I would with you.

I would like to note that nazi and SA poster poster Emden was orders of magnitude easier to talk to about how stupid national socialism is than it is to talk to jrod about libertarianism.

# ¿ Jan 23, 2015 06:06

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

CommieGIR posted:

That isn't even touch the fact that the Gold Standard was heavily exploited and manipulated by companies which contributed to its frequent crash.

It wasn't even companies, James Frisk tried to corner the gold market during the Grant administration.

# ¿ Jun 6, 2015 06:10

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

The only thing I can remember wrt to Reason is that idiotic GTA V cover they did with the 3d printed gun :laffo:

# ¿ Jun 9, 2015 17:00

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

So how fast does water fall?

This could be the intro to a cool experiment involving drag coefficients but I'm guessing the reality was a table of time tests.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2015 20:17

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

This can't be as stupid as it looks, like you still have to meet state standards right and the kids self-learning is extracurricular right?

# ¿ Jun 10, 2015 21:22

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Literally The Worst posted:

Nope

So the whole idea is that kids will be interested in learning how to interpret books on their own instead of just playing video games all day?

# ¿ Jun 10, 2015 21:26

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

President Kucinich posted:

Maybe they play with legos?

That's like a step away from being a certified ~~structural~~ civil engineer.

FTFY

# ¿ Jun 10, 2015 21:30

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Dude at least do some homeschool thing that has legit accreditation behind it so when your kid is asked to provide proof of eduction in the future he's not forking over a post it note with your signature.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2015 00:52

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 18:55

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Nintendo Kid posted:

You won't be doing that, because you will be working at your job, presuming you don't get fired. Your wife probably won't be doing that either because it's actually very stressful to properly handle home schooling and most people can not handle that.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

my boss and his wife actually homeschool their kids because the son is autistic, and to do it legitimately like they do is a huge pain in the rear end. they structure the ever living gently caress out of their kids education and it's still a challenge to get them to study things that kids don't care for like how to write

Really want to stress fishmech's point. My boss' wife teaches both the kids for about your average school day and then has to take them to weekly assessments to make sure the kids are meeting state standards in addition to tons of extra-curriculars to make sure the kids are socialized. The wife still had to make sure they're doing their work and studying what they need to because surprise, Pokemon, video games, and whatever are designed to be highly entertaining to kids while math and writing are not.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2015 06:14

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