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Police unions are the ultimate example of how a collectivist society can still be FYGM.
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Pohl posted:What Collectivist society are you talking about, because I don't see one around here. A hypothetical collectivist society.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:35
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Pohl posted:A collectivist society wouldn't need unions, so whatever point you were trying to make means nothing. Police Unions:Society::Hypothetical Collectivist Society:Rest of World. If you're too obtuse to understand that, let me know.
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Jun 30, 2014 00:42
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Presuming you live in the US, college students being idiots with alcohol is mostly attributable to the 21 drinking age. Lower it to 18, and you'll see a lot more kids going into college with some common sense, rather than having to learn it the hard way once they're there. People drink a shitton even before 18 in the US.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:40
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klen dool posted:I feel the same way with tobacco. I wish we would just flat out ban it, so that I wouldn't have to decide every day not to walk across the street and buy a pack. Tobacco is already being phased out in the US, it's basically illegal to use it in most public areas and general smoking rates are extremely far down compared to historical rates and the world at large (smoking rates of women are up but they're hilariously low in basically all countries).
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Jul 10, 2014 02:22
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I'm still wondering why the guy shot the dog that was in a locked car.
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Jul 13, 2014 17:00
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Or we could repeal the 2nd amendment and confiscate all guns so that police wouldn't have to be militarized just to be able to stop an average criminal, but it's not like that's ever going to happen. Urban areas aren't the ones with gun nuts stockpiling weapons.
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Jul 13, 2014 19:22
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Has anyone considered that police die at a relatively low rate as a consequence of their overzealous brutality, or does that make too much sense? Generally zealous brutality makes people more likely to want to see you dead.
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Jul 13, 2014 19:57
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Speed limits are set too low but if you're by yourself you should drive it anyway because a cop's not going to ticket you if you're going the same speed as everyone else but he can and will ticket you for breaking it alone.
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Jul 17, 2014 01:07
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The Ender posted:I think a camera program would be great, but... I mean, what happens when cop turns it off, beats / shoots some minority kid, and then claims the camera 'malfunctioned' or whatever. At face value it seems like cameras would offer pretty slim accountability, especially considering the technical ineptitude of all the 60+ year old judges that would make any ruling on such a case. You can make it hard to tamper with, and you can make it so that turning off the camera leaves different evidence than it legitimately malfunctioning.
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Jul 31, 2014 18:29
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Baronjutter posted:Wasn't there a case somewhere where the police decided it was illegal to warn people about speed traps? Like someone was setting up a website or putting up little signs to warn people about speed traps and poo poo and the police shut it down and the courts some how allowed it. There was an app that informed people about sighted DUI checkpoints and a bunch of Senators got all mad and told Apple to take it down.
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Aug 6, 2014 16:26
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kaynorr posted:This is probably the most true and relevant thing that's been said in the last few pages. So long as you can ruin an elected official's career by accusing him of being "soft on crime" (which is generally an emotional substitute for enforcing the kind of order the voter wants enforced), you can't bring about any meaningful change. "Soft on crime" is becoming less and less of a factor the further away we get from the 90s. The only place I've seen it used recently is for elected judge's campaigns, for obvious reasons there.
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Aug 18, 2014 22:27
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Yeah, there really isn't an outlet for this discontent, which might we be why the elite are content with people seeing it. Still, local elections could be used to push for reform, whether it is for local law enforcement officials or city councillors. It is risky though, Arpaio started off as a reform candidate for instance. It's just as likely that businesses will support token reforms because it means they don't have to clean up the mess after some people burn down their stores.
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Aug 22, 2014 15:13
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ReV VAdAUL posted:That's the thing though, we're talking about White Middle Class people starting to realise how badly the police are behaving and the only push factor for the elite to support reform is if riots occur often enough that it hits their bottom line. As the link on the last page shows, most communities who are victims of police abuse of power aren't rioting, let alone Middle Class Whites who are unhappy about it but not directly affected. You're also talking about when those white middle class people do become directly affected. At that point protests among the lower classes are more likely *and* you have moderately wealthy individuals (and more importantly, voters) who are calling up their state representatives to complain.
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Aug 22, 2014 15:30
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Tiler Kiwi posted:criminal justice is weird when it comes to idiots I think that's explained by a high variation in criminal justice education, a lag time in people being properly educated actually filling in the ranks, and a tendency for police to not require a criminal justice degree in order to be a police officer (mostly the last two).
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Nov 23, 2014 16:06
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:How utterly ignorant. Why should possession of a plant be any sort of crime or infraction? How does it harm society that I possess a plant? Same except homeopathic medicine.
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Nov 27, 2014 02:33
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Cole posted:Why is this any different? Usually it is socially acceptable to stereotype people based on their careers.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:30
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Cole posted:So all UFC fighters want to punch me in the face? All football players want to tackle me? In this analogy, a police officer's job is to shoot people?
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Dec 14, 2014 17:34
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Dec 21, 2014 07:00
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Cracker King posted:Then lets talk about reforms! I don't think the FBI has the best track record either, though certainly it's tempered by the fact that they aren't dealing with local matters.
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Dec 22, 2014 18:53
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Trabisnikof posted:We have nurses unions and we still hold nurses accountable. Likewise, in states with weak police unions you don't see a significantly better police force. That's always going to be a bit of an issue though because you're drawing your investigators from the same pool as your policemen. You could mitigate this somewhat by having a national level program that focused on other regions (so the New York investigation office would focus on Texas, etc), but that wouldn't really help with national level programs like the FBI, especially if it's a root issue for the entire organization.
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Dec 23, 2014 01:42
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Misogynist posted:Is this a good time to bring up how much more likely Americans are to be killed domestically by police officers than terrorists? Well, even in states with active revolutionaries (i.e., Colombia) you're more likely to get killed by police.
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Jan 1, 2015 07:58
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Omi-Polari posted:I was talking to my brother about police stuff and he raised the idea of creating civilian auxiliaries to serve as a buffer between police forces and civilian communities. We live down south where this isn't as much of a thing (although some towns, typically wealthier towns with bored retired people, have unarmed citizen patrol units). I'm thinking more like the Guardian Angels or Shomrim. I'm not very familiar with these units up north. The issue with that (I mean, beyond the fact that you're making militias) is that police are often tasked with minor incidents because of reasons other than "no one else is there to do it". Traffic violations for example are major sources of revenue for cities and while a lot of that could in theory be handled informally it probably also would be a major loss to cities if nothing else changed.
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Jan 6, 2015 06:11
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How do you get oversight when the public broadly agrees with the idea that "existing while black" is a crime? I wouldn't say that's inherently true, or else you wouldn't get these hyper balkanized communities like Ferguson et all. The issue is really that in areas with unrest there's a lot of public support (at least usually*) for oppressing minorities, and there's a large disinterest in consolidation of police to some higher level (state, national, etc). *NYC being the exception, although that seems to be an issue of institutional inertia rather than everyone (outside of Staten Island) saying "gently caress the blacks".
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Jan 6, 2015 06:52
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Omi-Polari posted:That's a good point. But would increasing police-citizen interaction make those interactions better? I'm not so sure. The basic existence for Shomrim (at least in Israel) seems to be to prevent miscegenation so I don't know if that's the best example.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:
Depends if you're Muslim apparently.
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