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i'm reading nixonland and i'm getting the goldwater one soon. i also notice that he has a new one about the line to reagan coming out in august and i'm super excited even tho i'll wait for the paperback ah i see it's been mentioned on the last page. what's a good reagan book to tide me over until the perlstein one? baw fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Have you read The Reagan Rhetoric: History and Memory in 1980s America? It's a good read on how Reagan used language and communication to so effectively win people over, and to what degree he believed his own bullshit. Also, the cover art alone makes it worth the price: ha. this looks amazing. comes along bort posted:Lou Cannon's biography is okay, if a little too deliberately evenhanded. might give this one a shot too unless there is a better suggestion
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Jun 30, 2014 06:45
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i'm finishing up nixonland and it has been amazing. a very bold thesis and as far as i can tell it was well-argued. with that in mind, what are some criticisms of it? at this point i'm basically convinced that nixon is almost single-handedly responsible for the modern political divide in the US, but i'm also not super familiar with the subject matter
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Jul 10, 2014 23:34
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Joementum posted:If you liked Nixonland, you'll love Before the Storm, which is Perlstein's book about the Goldwater '64 movement. Having read both, I don't think Perlstein is arguing in Nixonland that Dick was the source of the modern political divide in the US. Rather, I think he uses the book to explain the circumstances that surrounded Nixon's resurrection in '68 and re-election in '72, specifically that the "silent majority" was very real. It's good context to have if you grew up in the 80's, 90's, or 00's and learned from TV documentaries that the only things that happened in the late 60's was Woodstock, the Beatles, and The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. That was a minority movement that had an outsized impact on popular culture and I think the point of Nixonland is to tell the other side of the tale, focusing on the avatar of the silent majority. before the storm is next on my reading list and i read fear and loathing on campaign trail years ago but i think i was too young to really appreciate it. might give it a re-read. i usually stay away from books about politics but i had heard so many good things about nixonland over the past few years that i had to check it out and it's really been eye opening maybe it wasn't that nixon was the source of the modern political divide, but he seems to make the case that nixon found out a way to exploit the fears and anxieties it in a way that allowed the 1972 landslide to happen, like the realization that he could get the hard hats to vote against their own economic interests by appealing to their distrust of hippies and other "cultural" issues. after he showed how effective the strategy could be, it has been used by the right ever since
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Jul 11, 2014 08:43
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goddamn before the storm is amazing how can a 500 page book about one presidential campaign be so completely riveting the entire time
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Jul 24, 2014 00:57
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Because presidential campaigns are loving amazing topics? i usually shy away from political books, i think the only ones i've read recently were Griftopia and Drift, but after reading an eisenhower and an FDR biography i finally decided to read Nixonland and now i wonder what i've been missing. after this it's gonna be Age of Reagan to tide me over until Invisible Bridge comes out. i'm almost giddy with anticipation i think Clif White is my favorite character in Before the Storm. his carefully laid plans keep getting foiled by those bumbling arizonans baw fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Jul 24, 2014 |
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Jul 24, 2014 01:30
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i was looking up goldwater speeches on youtube and one of them had a sole comment saying that NBC was socialist for posting goldwater speeches and calling them extremist, and that goldwater was a great man. it had one like
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Jul 24, 2014 01:37
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so much for my pledge to read more novels this year 
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Jul 24, 2014 01:39
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you really have to be delusional to admire goldwater. despite his stupid views and everything, there is the fact that none of his dumb doomsday predictions about communist takeovers and economic disaster ever came true. after 60 years. of course if you are the kind of person that worships goldwater, you probably also think that there was a communist takeover and we've been living under full communism this whole time except for reagan or something
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Jul 24, 2014 01:43
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i'm about halfway through and i'm really looking forward to reading his reaction to the huge defeat but of course in the back of my mind i'll have the nagging thought he lost the battle and won the war
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Jul 24, 2014 01:53
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zoux posted:So do you think the Tea Party is unique or is it just another nativist ultraconservative movement ala Goldwater or The John Birch Society or the Know-Nothing Party? i dont know anything about the know nothing party, but with the goldwater and bircher stuff it is often word-for-word the same rhetoric
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Jul 24, 2014 01:55
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if race wasn't an issue, would the great consensus have ever been broken? it really is a helluva a thing to think that a huge part of the modern right and our political divide has its roots in unabashed racism
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Jul 24, 2014 02:02
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i'm really liking reading about him walking the line between saying "these people are insane" and knowing that he needs their rhetoric. a delicate path for an indelicate man
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Jul 24, 2014 02:05
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whenever something big happens with i/p i am like "ok this time i will start from wherever the thread is, and keep up with it" then i get back from work and there are like 500 posts and i just sorta sigh and read the freep thread
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Jul 24, 2014 11:29
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zoux posted:People used to name black cats and dogs that all the time back in the day. i was reading an HP lovecraft story a few days ago and the main character's cat was named friend of the family Man 
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Jul 24, 2014 22:05
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well i guess the chat thread has run its course
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Jul 24, 2014 22:22
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so invisible bridge is out, and it's getting mostly good reviews, but then there is this one
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Aug 6, 2014 15:11
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so i read perlstein's trilogy, fear and loathing campaign trail 72 and nixon agonistes, which was really great. i need to reread some of the later parts because it was a little over my head but the chapters about nixon and eisenhower's relationship were great (especially the duel of the checkers speech) and the parts about what an american presidential election even means really make u think. he explains that say you have ten issues that you care about, you have a candidate that agrees with four of them, or maybe just two of them but they are very important to you, or maybe his opponent strongly takes the opposite stance on one of your important issues, and in the end after every voter makes these judgments while casting their vote then what kind of mandate does a president really even have? anyway i still want to know more what do i read
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Oct 28, 2014 17:49
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modern art started with trolling 
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Oct 28, 2014 17:55
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art is a buncha bullshit but i mean that in a good way
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Oct 28, 2014 18:06
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i bought an art last month but sadly it doesnt ruin nature in any way
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Oct 28, 2014 18:16
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the best artist to get people to say "hurnk, my toddler could do that" is cy twombly
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Oct 28, 2014 18:22
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alinea
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Oct 28, 2014 18:26
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at least with modern art you're kinda supposed to have a sense of humor about it. the cooking stuff takes itself way too seriously most of the time
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Oct 28, 2014 18:29
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My Imaginary GF posted:http://checkplease.wttw.com/restaurants/central-gyros we usually do one meal like that per year. last year was breeze in bangkok and this year is probably alinea
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Oct 28, 2014 18:30
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My Imaginary GF posted:Nice, might I recommend stopping at Pops for Champaign for drinks after, and Russian Tea Room while you're in town? cool. we will do those things
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Oct 28, 2014 18:35
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it would be kinda nice to have gotten into war profiteering earlier on but i'm still pumped on my useless economics degree
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Oct 28, 2014 18:43
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zoux posted:Actually I would've used my extensive knowledge of the future to garner massive wealth and retire to a life of idle luxury at 22. that can be risky 
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Oct 28, 2014 19:02
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you cant walk forward if u stop time
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Oct 28, 2014 19:07
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Randler posted:This is an important issue. Without the culture budget the world would miss out on many talented artists from Belgium such as wim delvoye
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Oct 28, 2014 19:15
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this is so beautiful
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Oct 28, 2014 19:20
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i also bought a jaws tshirt which i feel is art
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Oct 28, 2014 19:27
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what about more campaign books? wills mentions murat halstead as being the best chronicler of presidential campaigns and i think those are my current favorite thing to read about. i guess i need to finally read hofstadter since he got namedropped a lot in nixon agonistes also we're coming up on the 50th anniversary of goldwater's defeat. i'd make a thread but i won't have access to my books for a few weeks
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Oct 28, 2014 23:20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1kOW-luAoI
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Oct 28, 2014 23:45
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how about combining the discussion of modern art with the discussion about architecture \pretty sure that a toddler could have designed and constructed this art museum, and painted the paintings in it
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Oct 29, 2014 00:31
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busy being awesome iirc the pattern continues throughout the ceiling and it provides natural diffuse light. he did the same thing for the modern wing at the art institute in chicago  
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Oct 29, 2014 00:55
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why does everyone who seems good always end up sucking
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Nov 10, 2014 06:44
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they gotta adapt maddaddam on HBO or something
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Dec 21, 2014 13:30
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Rodatose posted:I read it last year via audiobook. There are good parts and there are parts that drag bc of lack of mid 1900s pop culture reference knowledge and I don't know if I would be able to get through it without someone else doing the reading because that way I was able to tune out during the parts that dragged on. i can't imagine reading it via audiobook. it get pretty dense at certain parts and the voice would just keep going while i try to process what i just heard like with just about any decent book i sometimes read stuff and then look away and stare contemplatively. it would be weird for the book to just continue while i do that
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i was gonna make a thread called "The Way to the End of the Goat: Mario Vargas Llosa Megathread!" in the book barn but it would probably get two replies
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