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Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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There used to be a literal neo-nazi in D&D, and he said that even fascists find these guys to be hilarious losers, and asked who the hell calls themselves a reactionary.

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Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Swan Oat posted:

Is race realism racist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCaxQXVHMp0

This guy gesticulates for almost two minutes before taking a drag off his cigarette and did not have a single sip of whatever he was drinking for the for 4 or 5 minutes that I watched before clicking x. Really good, insightful poo poo. I am glad he is using his intellectual powers to collaborate with Justine Tunney.

The fact that it still has more likes than dislikes makes me sad :smith:.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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coyo7e posted:

...Kinda like Robert Lopez being persecuted by the LGBT inquisition?

Weirdly (to my uneducated american mindset, which sees Canada as the land of happy friendly people who smoke lots of pot,) I've run into a LOT of Canadian military or ex-military who were really, really outspoken racists. Like "holy poo poo did he really just say that about black people? AND follow it up by talking about beating 'injuns' to death as a joke?"

There seems to be some serious racial tension in that country.

You don't know the half of it. I could make a whole thread about the hosed up race relations here in Canada. Canadian history is a long story about a country's quest to get rid of the First Nations, or failing that, at least getting them out of sight. The short version is that First Nations in Canada are the rough equivalent of blacks in the States (Ghettoization, high incarceration rate, incredibly high suicide rate, reservations without running water, and so on), and we are just as insane about Muslims. Of course, the only reason the modern United States isn't quite so anti First Nations is because they killed enough for them not to be considered a threat to the average rich white guy.

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Yuran M. Bazil posted:

To be fair most of those area's with a Native American majority have a really low population anyway right?

Yeah. In fact, that is a map of federal ridings, meaning that every section has approximately the same population. However, First Nations and Inuit people still make up 5% of the total population. I've been kinda waffling on making a thread on race relations and anti First Nations sentiment in Canada. Main thing holding me back, honestly, is whether I am really qualified to speak on the subject. I've studied it a fair bit, am status Indian, and I grew up on a reserve. On the other hand, I am still pretty white (I was nicknamed porcelain boy growing up) so I'm worried I am an outsider.

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Feb 7, 2013

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DarklyDreaming posted:

Surprisingly there's a lot of overlap between the techno-libertarian transhumanists and neo-reactionary monarchists.

Well not very surprising when you find the common thread: That rich western European people men are just naturally better than everyone else and we should just step aside and let the natural order maintain itself.

White women are all fools in bed with the foreign hordes.

Edit: I'm going to leave a quote from the futurist manifesto here. The original Dark Enlightenment. I particularly like 8, 9 and 10.

F. T. Marinetti posted:

1. We want to sing the love of danger, the habit of energy and rashness.
2. The essential elements of our poetry will be courage, audacity and revolt.
3. Literature has up to now magnified pensive immobility, ecstasy and slumber. We want to exalt movements of aggression, feverish sleeplessness, the double march, the perilous leap, the slap and the blow with the fist.
4. We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing automobile with its bonnet adorned with great tubes like serpents with explosive breath ... a roaring motor car which seems to run on machine-gun fire, is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace.
5. We want to sing the man at the wheel, the ideal axis of which crosses the earth, itself hurled along its orbit.
6. The poet must spend himself with warmth, glamour and prodigality to increase the enthusiastic fervor of the primordial elements.
7. Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man.
8. We are on the extreme promontory of the centuries! What is the use of looking behind at the moment when we must open the mysterious shutters of the impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We are already living in the absolute, since we have already created eternal, omnipresent speed.
9. We want to glorify war — the only hygiene of the world — militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman.
10. We want to demolish museums and libraries, fight morality, feminism and all opportunist and utilitarian cowardice.
11. We will sing of the great crowds agitated by work, pleasure and revolt; the multi-colored and polyphonic surf of revolutions in modern capitals: the nocturnal vibration of the arsenals and the workshops beneath their violent electric moons: the gluttonous railway stations devouring smoking serpents; factories suspended from the clouds by the thread of their smoke; bridges with the leap of gymnasts flung across the diabolic cutlery of sunny rivers: adventurous steamers sniffing the horizon; great-breasted locomotives, puffing on the rails like enormous steel horses with long tubes for bridle, and the gliding flight of aeroplanes whose propeller sounds like the flapping of a flag and the applause of enthusiastic crowds.

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Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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This picture is actually slightly relevant.

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Feb 7, 2013

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Dean of Swing posted:

Somebody needs to give Marinetti a swirly. I can imagine a bunch of SCA rejects stomping through Silicon Valley only to be pepper sprayed by a mall cop.

Unfortunately it is a bit late for that. The Futurists were a primarily Italian movement of impotent middle class artists in the first half of the 20th century. The manifesto was written in 1909. They played a part in the first decade of Mussolini's regime, but eventually ended up getting dumped. I just like the parallels between them and modern More Right/Dark Enlightenment idiots.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

I hate it how they late words we're all familiar with, give them totally different definitions, then just run with it and assume you understand. What the hell is the difference between a 'leftist' and a 'liberal'? Apparently leftists are awesome and you should totally aspire to be one, but liberals are terrible shitheads you should hate. Aren't they synonyms?

In addition to what others have said, the formal definition of Liberal differs a lot from the American colloquial usage. The definition on wikipedia is:

quote:

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty (which is especially stressed in classical liberalism) and equality (which is more evident in social liberalism).[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.

Both the main American parties are liberal. The Republicans fall under Conservative Liberalism, and both American parties seem to follow neoliberalism to a fair degree. While left liberalism is also a thing, neither of the American Parties really subscribe to it.

Edit: So beaten.

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TinTower posted:

I think this is Dark Enlightenment stuff? I have no loving idea.



Oh, and seeing as we spent the past couple pages talking about Justine Tunney and trans people, her being part of the DE movement makes even little sense. See this graph/mind-map in the OP?



As the OP kind of touches on, the HBD movement were basically the Dark Enlightenment before the Dark Enlightenment existed. We all remember The Bell Curve, right? That was the HBD movement.

Several members of the Human Biodiversity Institute, Ray Blanchard and J. Michael Bailey, promote a really controversial theory that basically says "if you're a trans woman and into chicks you've really just got a fetish for yourself as a woman". Back in 2003, the SPLC did a report into how horrifically homo/transphobic the HBI, and their pet theory of "autogynephilia", as they call it, actually is.

Ten years later, and Bailey still remains a professor, and was last in the news for using a "fucksaw" on his students. Ray Blanchard, on the other hand, managed to rise to chair a DSM V working group and get his pet theory in the book. :smith:

Excuse me, but the first Dark Enlightenment was the Italian Futurists.

Also, I'm Judge Bitch.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

This but unironically.

The biggest people who passionately hate every aspect of British culture are Brits.

The biggest people who hate British Culture are Americans.

But the people who hate it most are Brits.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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I also speak very monarchically.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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neonnoodle posted:

Look let's all agree it's the reptoids.

Are the reptoids Jews, and if so, how devout?

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

"Women want to make videogames unfun and boring because they biologically need to be sexually dominated by virile male gamers."

A thing someone actually wrote down, apparently.

Welcome to GamerGate :)

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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neonnoodle posted:

If you look like a vampire, and tell the world about your plans to fight social justice...WITH A HUMAN SKULL IN THE BACKGROUND AT ALL TIMES... Congratulations!

You are literally a supervillain.

He could at least be tactful enough to come up with a neologism of some sort that sounds spookier, to avoid turning absolutely everyone who doesn't already agree with him away.

Pope Guilty posted:

If you don't know that "apolitical" means "cool with fascism/conservatism", you haven't hung around enough skinheads or listened to enough neofolk.

It's a derivative of the idea of "third position" politics. In short. We are not socialist/leftist, and we are not liberal/capitalist, therefore we are not political.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Jerry Manderbilt posted:

And that "Red Pill Wifery" is on it

"Red Pill Wifery", "Judge Bitch", and "Darling Doll". Surely among the greatest woman philosophers of our age.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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StandardVC10 posted:

Of course Hans-Hermann Hoppe is on there.

Well, he's a white supremacist, monarchist authoritarian. What more do you want? :shrug:

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Pope Guilty posted:

Have you tried being a delusional manchild?

I have, but I can't figure it out either.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Surely if it's hard to learn that means that the fact that they understand it makes them smart by default, right? :pseudo:

Then Brainfuck and Whitespace are the best programming languages, right?

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I know people who think they're smart for writing some toys in brainfuck and who brag about it whenever weird languages come up, so yes.

Sever.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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divabot posted:

The Neoreactionary movement article is shorter.

"Stung by accusations that they are spending their lives doing for words what Bitcoin does for electricity"

Yesssss.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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I was trying to get through my Schadenfreude backlog, and stumbled across the platonic form of the Dark Enlightenment. James Sears. He's an insane PUA who goes under the pseudonym 'Dmitri the Lover' when running seminars on how to sexually harass women. Aside from that, he's also some weird breed of Neo-Nazi. According to his political party's website (which is worth a read, because it's great.)

quote:

The New Constitution Party of Canada (NCP) is an all-inclusive federal party based on Libertarian doctrine, Christian values, and National Socialist ideology. Our political movement incorporates the intellect of Dr. Ron Paul, the heart of Chancellor Adolf Hitler, and the soul of Jesus Christ, into one powerful political Chimera that will crush the Marxist beast.

Our basic tenet is that we are one nation under God, composed of founders of many races and religions. God grants us Dominion over the Earth, including all plants and animals on it. In exchange, we must be responsible stewards of God’s project, and unite to protect his creation from the dark, Satanic armies of Marxism.

See more here and here.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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coyo7e posted:

Canadian militants are so quaint. They are convinced that the only reason America hasn't invaded (again!) is because of the RCMP being the equivalent of Mossad or something. And they're sooo racist like holy poo poo whoa did that guy just really say that about the aboriginals on the land he now occupies?! :allears:

Yeah. I can confirm that Canada is full of horrible racists. :smith:

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Night10194 posted:

Are you loving kidding me. Who looks at Qin and goes 'Yeah, those were excellent ideas?'

Well, Mao Zedong did :v:.

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Feb 7, 2013

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Pope Guilty posted:

That's weird, I generally associate MLism with favoring educated administrators. OTOH my understanding of Maoism generally is much weaker.

Maoists tend to know very little about Mao, too, so you aren't alone.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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eschaton posted:

And that's doubly bizarre considering the founder's family is Orthodox and he probably lost relatives to the Nazis.

Well, if you had to choose between killing 6 million jews, and eleventy bazillion people getting dust in their eyes, you would be a monster not to kill the jews. :smug:

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Peel posted:

The other thing he credits 'elites' with is knowing how to run an economy, something they've been spectacularly failing at for years.

No, but you see, those filthy proles have no vested interest in keeping things from going to hell... Except that they are the ones who actually have to deal with the repercussions, unlike these bourgie elites who can use their capital to escape the repercussions of their actions.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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TetsuoTW posted:

I figured it was because someone funny said "cuck" once and GBS posters set up ad hoc cargo cults around whatever the last funny thing they read was.

im gayku

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:

But Magic is nerdier, therefor it is the game of the intellectual elite :smug:

Also lol at reading Calvin & Hobbes and Encyclopedia Brown as a kid being a sign of genius.

Now if he said The Magic School Bus, I might have agreed with him.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Polybius91 posted:

What the hell is with these guys' obsession with cuckoldry?

Part is that they are :siren:losing their genetic legacy:siren: if their wife or whatever is pregnant with another man's child.

Other part is that women are objects and achievements, and if a woman cheats on you, that apparently means you are no longer a man, or whatever, according to their definition of masculinity.

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Feb 7, 2013

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Ronwayne posted:

Okay, what the gently caress is this Roko Basilisk thing and why are nerds afraid of it? From what I can tell its basically:

Correct?

It's a really stupid, impossible idea build upon a pile of other really stupid, impossible a prioris.

These idiot futurists believe that a technological singularity is fast approaching.
This will bring about an omnibenevolent AI with literally infinite computational power.
This Omnibenevolent AI will solve all problems ever.
However, realizing that it cannot solve problems before it was created, it will want to have been designed as early as possible.
In order to encourage this, these idiots believe, this computer will 'logically' create infinite perfect simulations of anyone who is aware that the above will happen, using it's infinite computational power.
The reason it does this is to torture these simulated people for all eternity if they wouldn't have donated to it's development to the best of their ability (read: donated to Yukowhatever's AI research scam.)
Since you cannot tell if you are one of the simulations, and 'logically' it is far more likely than not that you are one, if you are aware of the coming of such an AI, you are afflicted with 'Roko's Basilisk' and are in danger of eternal suffering unless you donate.
People who are not aware of it, obviously, will not be tortured, because they don't realize they need to donate to avoid torture.

All the logical faults and leaps taken and physical impossibilities are ignored, and any attempt to list them on my part would be absurd because it is incorrect on every level.

Now that you have read this, you are doomed to an eternity in Robot Hell.

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

Aurini obviously has read Capital. How else would he have found the line about how we need to rape wives and kill children to achieve communism? Duh!

I'm confused... I thought he was pro wives being sex slaves and murdering children, as long as the are the right ones.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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I've mentioned it before, but I love that this whole thing is just Italian Futurism again. Being able to count all the recurring themes in their idiocy makes me feel like all the time I spent studying it wasn't wasted after all.

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Feb 7, 2013

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StandardVC10 posted:

Basically World War I was a huge shock to Europe's intellectual community and while a lot of them went "gently caress the world" and invented Dadaism, a few instead decided "actually, war is awesome and manly!" Those were the Futurists. I mean, they had some other poo poo going on too, they were very big on motion and technology, but they're mostly remembered for being weird young men who wrote manifestos and were uncomfortably close to fascism.

e: Woolie Wool put it better.

Actually, The Futurist manifesto predates WWI by 5 years, and the movement is a lot more complex than that. A big part of it, for example, is that Italy had recently unified, and tried to turn it's gaze outward, with the hope of building an empire of it's own. However, it found that it was kinda late to the game, and there was very little left for them to invade and become rich off of. Surrounded by other, greater powers, Futurism was related to a belief among Italian intellectuals and the middle class that to gain it's rightful place, Italy would need to go to war. In addition, it worshiped technology as a means to achieve this seizing of the Imperialist dream, and advancement overall, as only half of Italy was really industrialized at the time. Futurist art tends to focus on machines (often to the neglect of people) and violence. Paintings of racecars, fighter planes, tracers crossing a battlefield, and such.

I'll shut up, though, and repost this bit from the Futurist Manifesto, because you can practically hear it right from the mouths of a lot of the DE types.

F.T. Marinetti posted:

1. We want to sing the love of danger, the habit of energy and rashness.
2. The essential elements of our poetry will be courage, audacity and revolt.
3. Literature has up to now magnified pensive immobility, ecstasy and slumber. We want to exalt movements of aggression, feverish sleeplessness, the double march, the perilous leap, the slap and the blow with the fist.
4. We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing automobile with its bonnet adorned with great tubes like serpents with explosive breath ... a roaring motor car which seems to run on machine-gun fire, is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace.
5. We want to sing the man at the wheel, the ideal axis of which crosses the earth, itself hurled along its orbit.
6. The poet must spend himself with warmth, glamour and prodigality to increase the enthusiastic fervor of the primordial elements.
7. Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man.
8. We are on the extreme promontory of the centuries! What is the use of looking behind at the moment when we must open the mysterious shutters of the impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We are already living in the absolute, since we have already created eternal, omnipresent speed.
9. We want to glorify war — the only hygiene of the world — militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman.
10. We want to demolish museums and libraries, fight morality, feminism and all opportunist and utilitarian cowardice.

11. We will sing of the great crowds agitated by work, pleasure and revolt; the multi-colored and polyphonic surf of revolutions in modern capitals: the nocturnal vibration of the arsenals and the workshops beneath their violent electric moons: the gluttonous railway stations devouring smoking serpents; factories suspended from the clouds by the thread of their smoke; bridges with the leap of gymnasts flung across the diabolic cutlery of sunny rivers: adventurous steamers sniffing the horizon; great-breasted locomotives, puffing on the rails like enormous steel horses with long tubes for bridle, and the gliding flight of aeroplanes whose propeller sounds like the flapping of a flag and the applause of enthusiastic crowds.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Exactly. The first lesson of DE is that nerds don't understand __________.

You can fill in the space with anything.

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Feb 7, 2013

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The Vosgian Beast posted:

Zero chance he doesn't have a compendium of all the man's works on his bookshelf. Zero.

Of course. He's a try hard nerd. But what are the chances he actually read any of them?

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Feb 7, 2013

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Merdifex posted:

In case you didn't believe that neoreaction is the only rational political ideology, here's a helpful chart to break it down:



Did they seriously use a diagram to represent the political spectrum with the visible light spectrum on it, but not put it the right way for it to represent the political spectrum?

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Dr Pepper posted:

I'm trying to understand this chart and failing

Is it that "true" rationality is taking things from the entire political spectrum?

It's more that "true" rationality exists beyond the spectrum of capitalism and left wing socialism. As a sort of "Third Position", if you will.

Tiberius Thyben
Feb 7, 2013

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Woolie Wool posted:

FATAL: Nazi Edition. :munch:

Already done.

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Feb 7, 2013

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MizPiz posted:

I'd love to see a thread doing a play through of one of these.

I'd participate in an ill advised campaign over skype or something, but someone would have to :filez: Myfarog, and Racial Holy War is too broken to play (they forgot the rules for hitting things.)

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Woolie Wool posted:

The being old and dead also means the nerd is much less likely to have to have distressing social interactions with non-nerds when talking to other nerds about the product.

And I personally never got steampunk. Victorian England was a hellscape of air pollution and abject poverty rotting in disgusting filth and ruled over by imperialist butchers, it's actually in some ways worse than the Middle Ages, to the point where legal trickery and violence had to be used to make the peasantry give up their medieval-style subsistence farming lifestyles and move to the cities. In many ways being a peasant in 1250 was a better deal than being a worker in 1850. The peasant could even boast of owning some of the product of his own labor--the lord took some of the peasant's labor but the rest was for himself and his family.


"Choke damp" is an old-timey word for asphyxiant gases. These workers almost suffocated on poo poo and rot fumes, multiple times.


I like Steampunk, but for that very reason. It's a basis for horrible exploitation, examinations of capitalism and imperialism, the effects of scientific progress and militarism. It's different, yet familiar in all the worst ways. Though if you write steampunk and haven't read London Labour and the London Poor, you're a fuckup.

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