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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Calendar says it's still August.

Impeach fried chicken.

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

computer parts posted:

On average, he's on time for the past two months.

I don't know why you fried chicken supporters keep bringing up impeachment. I and my fellow poster may be opposed to his OPsidency but we don't want to impeach to him.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fried Chicken posted:

Remember 2 years back when (former) House Majority Leader Cantor responded to Labor Day by tweeting about how the true heroes are the rich "job creators"? Well the right has come up with a new way to protest the existance of Labor Day - working

Ah yes Labor Day, the holiday created to spite unions and socialists, is an instrument of union power.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Oh good this is happening again.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Good Friday is a holiday in several states but the only Christian one federally recognized is Christmas since Easter is always on a Sunday.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

CommanderApaul posted:

When would we need a CR by to avoid a shutdown? I contract for a 3-letter agency now and I want to plan ahead now (PTO, savings account, etc).

Wikipedia says the spending bill from January runs out on October 1st.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

:swoon: Oh Joe :swoon:

I can't lie about his chances for beating Hilary but he has my vote/sympathies.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Ugh TV stations have largely stopped the 9-11 remembrance-a-thon right? I recall years past when stations would just scroll all three thousand+ names all morning.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Mr Interweb posted:

Ugh, I remember that clip.

So she doesn't need an additional law to give her any rights because she feels that rights aren't handed down by a bunch of men and doesn't need any of their help, but seems to be fine with the 14th amendment. Um, how does she think the 14th amendment came to be?

Republicans on the west wing are probably the most poorly/hilariously portrayed group. Always fiendish enough to get in the way but never tougher than cardboard except when they get a minor victory to set up a bigger democrat victory later.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain_Maclaine posted:

And the blue dogs, one of the major prior sources of Dem rank-breaking, are more or less extinct at this point.

Literally the only positive result of the 2010 election for democrats.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

Anyway, here's a photo of Terrorburg, USA, Population: ISIS



As time goes on the more I'm sure Josh's translation of vox populi vox dei was correct in that west wing episode.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

zxqv8 posted:

So, in a rare moment of people actually talking about relevant stuff on FB, I saw a friend's friend trying to convince him that a minimum wage hike to $15.00 would cause fast food prices to rise precipitously. This link was provided:

http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/04/wage-hike-fast-food-prices-infographic/

And the infographic in question for those who don't want to click:



Note the Heritage Foundation attribution at the bottom. My friend responded by saying he doesn't trust anything out of the Heritage Foundation and that the math is specious at best.

How much bullshit is this whole thing? How much bullshit is dailysignal.com, and what might I be able to add to show how full of poo poo the Heritage Foundation really is?

As others have pointed out there is no actual math presented to be analysed. Thus I'm going to make the (probably correct) assumption that the graphic maker made the same idiotic error most do on this topic and assumed labor makes up a huge or near total percentage of cost and that profit margins MUST remain the same as before the wage hike.

e: lol and heritage's appendix says that their model is bullshit if managers accept a profit cut.

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Sep 5, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

zxqv8 posted:

There's this paragraph right after that lovely bar chart:


That seems like assuming a worst-case scenario all around. Am I misreading it?

Its retarded because if you follow its logic all fast food restaurants should have closed down decades ago or whenever we last raised the minimum wage.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

zxqv8 posted:

I think the standard response to this would be that all fast food places would be raising their prices as well, so they would remain competitive in that sense. Sounds like a weak argument, but I'm not sure how to refute it.

One place doesn't raise prices and sucks in a shitton of business because of it.

e: Basically its in the best interest of restaurant managers to hold prices as close to their original points as possible until an equilibrium is restored and then adjust as needed. Prices will eventually go up a tiny bit but no where near as the right likes to paint it.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Amergin posted:

Funny how none of you seem to be addressing the loss in hours worked.

Have fun working half the hours with your new higher minimum wage, assuming you still kept your job.

Good thing there's this column in the spreadsheet labelled profit we can cut into instead until equilibrium is achieved instead of crippling the business!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
I decided to look up some more info on the Heritage guy that wrote the piece and stumbled across this instead:

http://www.nrcruise.com/speakers.htm

Never before have I wanted a boat to sink with no survivors so badly.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Amergin posted:

...assuming you kept your job.

So their hours aren't getting cut in half?

e: I dunno Amergin this supposed restaurant manager seems bad at both his job and basic economics. Perhaps he is not worthy of being a job creator

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Amergin posted:

1) Why are we assuming all minimum wage jobs are in restaurants?

Because the argument up until now has revolved around that particular topic due to the mis-infographic.

Amergin posted:

2) Why are we assuming the total hour cuts will fall in your favor (half hours for double wage rather than 25% hours for double wage)?

Fair point, let us assume profits are just cut instead of hours because hindering your customer service in the service industry is a really bad idea.

Amergin posted:

EDIT:
On the other side, it's a study done by Alan Krueger, former chairman of Obama's council of economic advisors. Certainly no bias there!

I'll take bias over non-existent math any day.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

What's so special about this hypothetical minimum wage bike as opposed to all of the other ones that happened in the past?

It is a very big bike.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Amergin posted:

I was calling out a guy saying "One on side there's huge bias because Heritage is poo poo, on the other side there's reality" while ignoring it was a study done by a liberal economics professor and cited in the New York fuckin' Times.

I mean come on people. It's one thing to discredit the bias you don't agree with but this is silly.

Liberals: Here is a professionally done study with facts and math and here it is presented in a easily digestible form from the NYTimes.

Conservatives: Here's a bunch of bullshit Heritage made up with no numbers or math behind it presented in a misleading infographic

THE TRUTH MUST BE IN THE MIDDLE!

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Hey Amergin while you're here did you comment on the lovely economist book review the other day? Someone pointed out that a comment struck them as coming from you.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Yeah including the bottom bit where they admit their model was flawed and the dumb feedback loop assumptions they made to make their then tweaked model work.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Rhesus Pieces posted:

If you haven't seen the full photo series of this incident, I highly recommend doing so. When viewed chronologically it's horns.aiff in visual form.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-GaXa8tSBE

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Really Rick? You really think you have a shot in 2016?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Because if there's one person on the planet who knows proper russian pronunciation it's Rick Santorum.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Grapplejack posted:

In which the "vote for the lesser evil" plan dems on this forum constantly push backfires.

Oh but don't you worry Hilary's going to win 2016 and then the dems will follow through on everything!!!


Nope

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Chantilly Say posted:

Well, it doesn't look like he's going to give it another go in 2016 so maybe he's decided to loosen up a little.

With how hard he's been shilling for Rand Paul here I think he's angling for the VP pick.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

JT Jag posted:

The fact that people trust Republicans +10 on the economy is even more baffling to me.

The average American is pretty significantly dumb, ignorant or some mix of both.

The results of the American experiment is probably one of the better refutations against democracy.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Because I totally wasn't even a little facetious writing that.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

computer parts posted:

Or maybe Marx's definitions are a tad outdated in a service oriented economy.

Have the bourgeois ceased owning the means of production?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

computer parts posted:

The means of production have changed.

How so? How are the service industries means of production so different that the terms bourgeois (and I'm assuming proletariat) are no longer adequate?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Haha

Reason editor: "No we're not nazi apologist scumbags look at our history and you'll see for yourself"

*uncovers giant holocaust denial special edition and an abundance of neo-nazis high up in the magazine*

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

whitey delenda est posted:

Marconi followed up his first trans-Atlantic transmission of "S" shortly thereafter with "...uffocation, no breathing,"

Should have put it into morse code but still lol.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

Mitch is now trying an untested campaign strategy: telling voters that he owns bones at parliamentary tactics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKekeACF3d8

So I guess Mitch got himself a non-retarded campaign manager if this is the ad they're coming out with after the Paulite resigned.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
We could just cover them in something to cut their resistance in half and then our outlets can achieve proper amperage for child discipline.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Amergin posted:

It's the one thing you can thank college Republicans/AnCaps/Libertarians for.

Yeah I'm not going to give any credit to people that go well I don't hate gays but preventing discrimination against them makes you literally worse than hitler.

specifically talking about ancaps here

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

TheRamblingSoul posted:

As it stands, I helped turn out the vote for Obama in 2012 but did not vote for Obama personally. Clinton, on the other hand, is someone I cannot get behind politically full stop.

As long as Mark Penn draws breath I will never not hope he swoops in to run her primary campaign allowing for a Biden/sanders dream team ticket to win.

E: oh my god he came up with that retarded Scroogle ad, mark penn is the dumbest

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Sep 16, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Ninjasaurus posted:

Which Republican would you prefer to see as President?

Goddamn you centrists will never miss a chance to call the left wing of the party traitors will you? :allears:

E: drat you Apple autocorrect

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Sep 16, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

My Imaginary GF posted:

Clinton, Biden, Emmanuel: President, Vice-President, Chief of Staff

Pick one for each. Emmanuel won't accept CoS, Biden is a maybe on second Veep, Clinton is a hell naws on doing what she'd need to do for Veep

Hmmm this is tough but I'm going to have to go with Biden, Biden and Biden.

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

My Imaginary GF posted:

E: heres the thing with policies you like, one time when Rahm was CoS he came to Obama's office and offered to get PPACA through Congress with single-payer in 1 day, if Obama let him not hold back. Obama proceeded to call Reid on the issue and chat-chat. TrickyDicky D didn't like the idea of unleashing Rahm in the WH and letting Obama realize how independent the executive branch could be from the legislative, and Reid poo-poo'd the idea. So Rahm GTFO to become Mayor the first chance he got.

Rahm Emmanuel is a real life verison of Malcolm tucker isn't he

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