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LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
Welcome to the "Eleventh Edition" of the Magic Megathread! We've run out of core sets, so it's time for some alternative ideas for thread titles. Thanks to AlternateNu for this one!

Magic: The Gathering is a collectible card game where you play as a planeswalker, a powerful wizard capable of traveling between planes, summoning fantastic creatures, and casting powerful spells. Each game of Magic represents a duel between two or more planeswalkers. Magic in the game is divided into five colors: White, the color of order and balance; blue, the color of knowledge and illusion; black, the color of death and corruption; red, the color of chaos and power; and green, the color of nature and life. Each color is balanced against the others, with their various strengths and weaknesses.

First released in 1993, Magic's years of existence as the most popular collectible card game has attracted millions of players worldwide. Tournaments of varying levels are held all around the world, and the game is enjoyed just as much at the kitchen table as it is on the Pro Tour with thousands of dollars at stake. There is an organization called the DCI that sanctions and maintains these events, using tournament officials known as judges to keep the game fair and fun.

Like any other collectible game, the components can be quite pricey. Older, out-of-print cards can be hundreds of dollars, but those aren't needed to play in the game's most popular formats. In-print and just-out-of-print cards very rarely break the $50 mark, and as there's a limit of four of any one card per deck, you won't need too many to compete. Booster packs cost roughly $4 US each, but most people will agree that buying the single cards you need is a better bang for your buck... though not as fun as the "lottery" game of opening packs.

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OTHER THREADS

The Magic: the Gathering Buying and Selling/Trading Thread
Don't deal with eBay or some random third-party insecure site for your Magic card needs. This is a thread to post your haves/wants and see if any other Goon wants your poo poo or has the poo poo you really need for that big tournament coming up, you know the one.

Deck Building Brewhaus
Post and critique decklists for constructed formats here.

The Magic: the Gathering Limited Thread
Draft and sealed discussion goes in here. This is a really informative thread if you're looking for tips on draft especially, as it goes into the draft archetypes of the current format as well as a glossary of commonly used draft terms you might hear at the table.

MtG Eternal Thread
Discussion on Eternal formats Legacy, Vintage, and honorary "Eternal" format Modern.

Magic Card Generator
Discuss your terrible card ideas here and make us all appreciate Wizards R&D and how hard it is to actually design solid cards.

M:tG Cube: The Most Expensive Free Magic Money Can Buy
Share your cubes with other people without the risk of strangers stealing your foil Russian Dark Confidant you've blinged out your cube with!

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FORMATS

Casual: Anything goes. Despite being the least talked-about format, mostly because it's not really a "format", casual play is probably the most popular form of Magic. We're talking kids buying precons and a couple of boosters and sitting around their kitchen tables here. There are other casual formats loved by players more into the game, such as Commander, Cube, Type 4, etc. More on those later.

Standard: One of the easiest formats to get into. Since it consists of nothing but the last core set and the last two blocks to be published, finding cards is relatively as most cards are still in print. Each October when the first set of a new block is released, the oldest currently-legal block in Standard gets pushed out and the new one comes in. At the same time, the oldest core set rotates out, though the newer core set comes out around July so there is some overlap. Since many Standard decks rely on those older cards that have now rotated out of the format, the metagame can change drastically when this happens. Standard is the most popular sanctioned constructed format.

Wizards has released "event decks" as a way for new players to get (somewhat) competitive decks for cheap. They contain 60 cards and a 15 card sideboard, and are competitive enough to stand a chance at FNM, but not much elsewhere.

Currently legal sets: Theros, Born of the Gods, Journey into Nyx, Khans of Tarkir, Magic 2015

Modern: Magic's newest format bridges the gap between Legacy and Extended. All sets from Eighth Edition on up are legal; the "Modern" name doesn't necessarily mean the modern Magic frame, as old cards reprinted in a special set with the new frame, such as judge promos, are not legal unless they've been reprinted in a set since Eighth Edition.

Modern Banned List

Legacy: Legacy is an Eternal format like Vintage, only without the Power 9 and many other overpowered cards. For the most part, everything restricted in Vintage is banned in Legacy. Legacy has skyrocketed in popularity lately, and so has the entry fee to play in this format. Legacy staples have doubled or tripled in price on the secondary market, so the barrier of entry is very high.

Legacy Banned List

Vintage: The most powerful decks that can be created reside here in "Type 1". The insanely high expense of cards that are in almost every good deck in the format - cards known as the Power 9 because of their reputation for being the nine most powerful cards ever printed - leads players to shy away from the format. Most Vintage tournaments will be run without DCI sanctioning because they allow ten or fifteen proxies in order to make the tournament more accessable to players not willing to spend $3000 on a Black Lotus. A common misconception is that Vintage is a format of turn one kills - but in a format where turn one kills are possible, decks are fine-tuned not just to win, but to stop their opponents from going off on turn one or two as well.

Vintage Banned & Restricted List

Block Constructed: Block constructed uses only the cards from a particular block for deck construction. The smaller card pool available means that cards that would never see play in other formats get to see the light of day, simply because there isn't anything better available. Unfortunately block constructed suffers from one big flaw - because so few cards are available, the format quickly becomes set with a small number of dominating decks, and the theme of a particular block leads some players to feel like the decks are "pre-built" for them.

Limited: There are two popular limited formats: Sealed Deck, and Booster Draft. High-level limited tournaments are usually run sealed deck, with booster drafts as their top 8 playoffs. In sealed deck, a player gets six packs. With those cards, and as many extra basic lands as they wish, they have to build a deck that's at least 40 cards. Sealed is part luck (what you open), and part skill (how you build and play with your deck). Booster drafting involves each player getting three booster packs and sitting around a table. At the same time, each player opens up their first pack, takes a card out, and passes the rest of the cards in the pack to their left. This continues until all the cards in each pack are gone, then the second pack is opened and passed to the right. The third and last pack goes left again. Skilled players can sense which colors are "open" and pick cards that are strong in those colors. Then players follow the same deck construction rules as sealed deck - a minimum 40-card deck using as much extra basic land as they want. Some players consider booster drafting to be the best test of a Magic player's skill.

Two-Headed Giant: In 2HG, teams of two face off against each other. Each player has their own deck, hand, permanents, etc., but each team takes their turn at the same time. 2HG is usually sealed deck, with each team getting more product than a single person would usually get, but Standard 2HG isn't unheard of.

Two-Headed Giant Rules

Commander: Commander (previously known as EDH, or Elder Dragon Highlander) is one of the most popular casual formats. In Commander, you pick a legendary creature to serve as your "commander", and build a 100-card deck (99 plus your commander) using only one of each card, excluding basic lands. You can't use any cards which have mana symbols anywhere on them that don't match the ones on your commander's card, and the format uses the Vintage cardpool with some modifications. Your commander starts in the "command zone", and you can cast it any time you normally could cast them - but each time you cast it that way, it costs 2 more to cast. If a commander would be put into a graveyard or into exile, its owner can choose to put it back in the command zone instead, so it's hard to permanently get rid of a commander short of sending it into its owner's library. And lastly, if a player takes 21 or more damage over the course of the game from any one commander, they lose the game. The official rules can be found here.

Official Commander Site

Cube Drafting: Booster drafting is fun, but it can get expensive, and players lose interest in drafting a set when a new one's about to come out... and this is where cube drafting comes in. A cube contains 350-700 of the best cards in Magic, usually including the Power 9. The cube is shuffled, and random packs are dealt out to each player, which are then drafted like a normal booster draft. Cube draft owners take great pride in their cube, and will often try to foil out every card possible, making their cube cost more than the average Vintage deck.

Pauper: While Pauper is most popular on Magic Online, it does see some interest in the real world as well. On Magic Online, the format is played with only commons, but in real life, "Pauper" is sometimes referred to as a constructed format where only commons and some uncommons are allowed as well. Here's a good FAQ to get started.

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DIGITAL VERSIONS

There have been many digital versions of the game in the past, on Dreamcast, Playstation, PC, and even arcades, but the current and most popular version is Magic Online. Magic Online players buy digital cards and play online against people all over the world, at any time they want. The only downside to the program is, of course, that you're buying digital objects and the social aspect of the game is non-existant. Wizards used to have a redemption program where players who collected every card in a newer set could redeem them for paper versions of those cards, but that's since been discontinued. Magic Online costs $9.99, but once you sign up, you get a bunch of random cards, including some gold-bordered cards you can only play with other people who have them. Also, new sets come out much slower than their paper versions, with a short delay between the paper release and the MTGO release due to Wizards not wanting people beta testing products that haven't been officially released yet.

If you want to play for free/cheap, there are ways, though some are more difficult to set up than others.

Apprentice is slightly old and outdated, but still very popular. Its features aren't as robust as Magic Workstation, but if you don't care about all the bells and whistles, it gets the job done.

NetDraft is a way to draft online for free, but you'll usually only play one match each draft against whoever you're paired against. Good for testing your draft skills. You'll need to use Magic Workstation or another program to play though.

Duels of the Planeswalkers is an Xbox Live, Playstation, and PC game with multiple expansions. Hardcore players were disappointed that there's no deckbuilding available, just a bunch of precons you can unlock and new cards you can unlock for them in turn, but it's a fun, arcade-y version of Magic.

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WHERE TO PLAY

Friday Night Magic (FNM): The most accessable tournaments for most players is FNM, which as its name suggests takes place on Friday nights at local hobby stores. FNM tournaments can range anywhere from eight to sixty-plus players, and usually pay out prizes in either packs or store credit. To make sure everyone who wants to play can play, FNM tournaments are only allowed to be Standard, Extended, Block, sealed, booster draft, or Two-Headed Giant Standard/sealed. That way, no one needs to worry about tracking down older, out-of-print cards. Competition is usually pretty lax at FNMs, with (hopefully) friendly players and a fun atmosphere. Each month, Wizards prins a special foil promo that is given out to FNM players at each event. Other local events can be run too, even if they're not FNM.

Pro Tour Qualifiers (PTQs): PTQs are the first big step for players entering the professional Magic playing world. PTQs are staffed by highly qualified judges, who act as impartial ways to solve rules disputes, answer rules questions, and ensure the tournament is run smoothly and fairly. PTQs used to be run in "seasons", but now any store can run a Preliminary PTQ that is Standard, Modern, or sealed. The winner of each Preliminary PTQ gets an invite to play in the next Regional PTQ, and the winner of that gets an invite to the Pro Tour.

States/Champs: States, or Champs, depending on where in the world you live, is a big, fun tournament run on the same day in every state/province/what-have-you. Every participant gets a free promo card, and the top 8 players win boxes of product and a special foil promotional card. Since no huge prizes are on the line, the environment is close to a "big FNM".

Prereleases: The week before a new set comes out, players get to experience it early in a Prerelease Event. Prereleases are always sealed deck events. Prizes are usually small, because the real prize is getting to see and play with the new cards for the first time.

At prereleases, special promo cards are available that showcase an important card from the set. The only way to get these is to play in an event, and while they're not always tournament-quality cards, they're at least high on casual appeal.

Game Day: One month after the release of a new set, stores run Game Day tournaments. These are Standard events, sometimes with special rewards given for building your deck a certain way. Everyone gets a full-art promo card, and the top 8 get foil full-frame promo cards. For many people, Game Day marks the time when players have gotten used to the new set and are ready to test out their new decks.

Grand Prix (GPs): Grand Prix are open for everyone to play in, and are the largest public events, usually getting over a thousand players in attendance. While they don't feed any Pro Tours, the prizes are substantial and competition is fierce. Most GPs are two day events, with only the players with the best record being allowed to play in day two. There are usually side-events run at GPs as well, so even players who don't want to compete or players who don't make day two can get in on some fun.

Pro Tours: This is it - this is the big leagues. Pro Tours are by invitation only; by winning a Pro Tour, or having a rating high enough to compete. Wizards pays about $3 million U.S. divided among the players, some serious change for a card game. Players travel from all over the world to play at Pro Tours. Worlds is the biggest Magic tournament there is, held at the end of every year and drawing the biggest crowds. Even players not qualified to play in Worlds get to play in the numerous side events held by Wizards.

1Ks, 5Ks, 10ks, etc.: Major tournament organizers often hold large tournament for big cash prizes. Though not affiliated directly with Wizards of the Coast, the prizes are huge, they often get attendance numbers close to a PTQ, and they're often staffed by certified judges.

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RESOURCES

USEFUL LINKS

DailyMTG.com: The official page for Magic is updated every weekday with articles from some of the most well-known people related to the game, from rules managers to Pro players to the people who make the cards you play with. You can also find tournament locations near you and information about upcoming sets.

MTGSalvation.com: MTGSalvation is widely known as the source for all new-set spoilers, keeping the most up-to-date source of new rumors and spoiled cards in the weeks leading up to a new set's release.

YuGiOhDad.com: After the owner of MTGMom.com became an actual mom, she quit updating her event calendar. This one, despite the misleading name, is meant to replace it.

StarCityGames.com: SCG is first and foremost a web store, selling not only cards but play knowledge as well. Their webpage hosts articles from the most prolific players involved in the metagame, with some articles being free and others requiring a paid membership to their site.

Magic-League.com: If you want to play in online leagues without paying for Magic Online, this is the place to look. Magic-League has thousands of players, so finding a game should never be a problem.

TheManaDrain.com: One of the premier sources for Vintage information on the internet, TMD is a forum to discuss Vintage strategy and find events.

MTG The Source: What The Mana Drain is to Vintage, this is to Legacy.

ChannelFireball.com: Luis Scott-Vargas, one of the most celebrated Magic players of all time, writes strategy articles for this blog/online store. Like StarCityGames or any of the other online stores/blogs, it hosts high prices and high-value strategy articles - though unlike SCG.com, the strategy is free.

Good Games Live: Live coverage of non-WotC big tournaments.

Wizards.com Event Coverage Archive: Archived coverage of WotC tournaments.

Gatherer: The official online database of every card ever printed, with up to date Oracle text, rulings, etc. If you're playing eternal formats like Vintage, Legacy, or even EDH, this is the best resource to finding out what your old cards actually do.

MagicCards.info: Faster than Gatherer, with a proxy printing feature, a search for prices on major online card stores, etc. If you're looking for accurate Oracle text and/or rulings, I'd still trust the official Gatherer over this, but many players use this for its other features.

DeckStats.net: Type in your decklist and get details on your curve, draw sample hands, etc.

CranialInsertion.com: A weekly rules article with answers to questions submitted by players. This is the rules article that was previously on MTGSalvation.

MTGTop8.com: A listing of the top decks from various tournaments, broken down by format. A must-use if you want to follow the shifting metagame.

IRC

There's also a Goon IRC channel for Magic on SynIRC called #mtgoon where a bunch of us lurk and occasionally bullshit about Magic, draft, play EDH, etc.

If you have an urgent rules question you need answered right away, there's the #mtgrules channel on EFNet where a lot of highly qualified judges hang out.

iOS APPS

GoldenDelicious posted:

So here are some apps I've discovered for iOS that are for Magic: The Gathering:

Deck Builder/MTG Deck Builder: This is a deck builder app that I would definitely recommend for people who want to keep their decklists on them - it is regularly updated, is well put together, and can list relevant statistics of the deck which is very well put together. It's $3.99, but I'd consider it worth it if you want to use it.

Magic Score: A simple life tracker that can keep track of life (not poison counters) for 1-4 players (and it's the only life counter app that can do multiplayer life counting, so that's something to note). Its biggest disadvantage is that if you have to turn off auto-sleep on your phone to not have to consistently turn your phone back on. However, it's free. So if you want a free life tracker, it's not bad.

MtG Life (MTG Counter on the App Store): I prefer this life tracker to Magic Score ,as you only have to tap the numbers to reduce your life total, rather than specifically push the -X on Magic Score. It's $0.99, if you want to pay a buck for a good life counter.

iGather: TheBandit mentioned this; it's actually an iPhone/iPad app (I like using it on the iPad). Apparently I cannot find it on the app store despite it being on my iPhone and iPad, though, so vOv

Gathering: Another good life tracking app; this one turns your iPhone's sleep mode off (so turn your iphone onto airplane mode unless you want to demolish your battery life), but it has a glossary of terms that are used in magic, from */* to Additional Cost to Deathtouch to Discard to Permanent to X. It also has a way to track tokens and various counters, and it can connect to Gatherer to search for cards, search magictraders.com for card prices (good for you people who use MOTL and such for trading values!) and lists all the different sets which brings up the setlists on Gatherer. I'd recommend this one over MtG Life if you don't mind pushing + and - rather than just tapping on the life totals, since it's also $0.99. Best life counter I've tried so far on the iPhone.

Sylvan Archive: Don't get this. It's out of date, poorly made, and nowhere near worth $3.99. Only purchase for MTG apps I've regretted so far.

MTGJudge: If you're a judge or RA, this is a decent tool to help you with just that - judging! It has a quick reference guide to things like penalties, layers, what the Head Judge Announcement should entail, and other good stuff. It has an up to date Oracle listing, the IPG, the Comprehensive Rules, and also a Decklist counter! It's free, too. For people who want to be a Judge or a Rules Advisor, this is a great app.

No Dice (iPad app): I love using this for testing; it's a 1v1 life counting app that also keeps track of tokens, life total, poison counters, mana being floated, how long the current turn has been going, and how long the particular game has been going. It is crazy good, and if you have an iPad and don't mind using it for MTG stuff, this is a must buy. There's a free version too that only tracks life, but it is more than worth $4.99 for all the features it has.

LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Oct 2, 2014

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LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

ungulateman posted:

Arriving on the ground floor to say that I am really looking forward to today's SCG Open!

Me too! This is my first time speculating on cards in a long time. I held on to some Theros block staples for months, resisting the urge to trade them away or sell them when I needed cash. Now I'm in a panic - did I hoard enough/enough of the right cards?

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
One benefit of not going to these big events is that I'm playing/judging the release, checking the updates, and buying/trading for cards the thread says are performing well while all the usual sharks are in Jersey.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Attorney at Funk posted:

Alex Bertoncini was banned for 18 months for cheating, and has been reportedly caught cheating as recently as GP Phoenix in April.

Actually he was banned 12 months for cheating and 6 months for bragging about it, wasn't that what happened?

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

stinkles1112 posted:

Do these people not remember Lightning Angel? How can you look at Mantis Rider and not see an obviously playable card?

I think the extra point of toughness was a big deal. You can't Lightning Strike a 3/4.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
Time to stock up on foil Treasure Cruises and Monastery Swiftspears and sit on them for three years!

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
What the gently caress is happening.

This topic isn't even on the bingo card.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Entropic posted:

What about the guy who grabs his ten lands and scoops them up into one big stack so you can only see the top one, then peels off a bunch of them to pay for a spell and puts them in second tapped stack?

I do that when I have seventeen or more lands in play and get tired. Happens to me all the time in limited matches where I have twenty cards left in my library. :rimshot:

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
When's the next B&R update? For some reason I'm thinking December, but I think they're closer to set releases now. It'd have to be crazy dominant to be emergency banned.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Fish Of Doom posted:

Couldn't have been worse than my prerelease. Trail of Mystery, Altar of the Brood, Abzan Ascendency, 2 Sultai Ascendencies, and Dragon Throne.

Every single rare in my release sealed deck was a three-color rare. I had nine non-basics including two trilands, so gently caress it, we're playing them all! :getin:

I went 3-1, only losing to a sweet Mardu aggro deck. I couldn't beat Sorin.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
They made sure to point out that Teferi was his old bad-rear end self, and that the reason he didn't have just "+1: Win the game" was that his card only represented how much he wanted to help you, not how powerful he is. That opens the door for basically anyone.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

meanolmrcloud posted:

Just putting it out there that there is a really good chance that Treasure Cruise is going to get banned in the eternal formats.

I judged a 46-player Vintage tournament where the first prize was a Lotus on Saturday. The players there during/after the event were debating whether Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time were the more broken cards in Vintage. Both of them saw a ton of play all the way up to the top tables. Only one deck in the top 8 was playing Treasure Cruise and another sole deck was playing Dig Through Time, so it wasn't like it was overpowering or anything. I think someone was also playing Monastery Swiftspear in their Delver deck.

I could see Treasure Cruise getting restricted in Vintage just because it's a "one mana" draw spell. If the banned & restricted list is made by someone without a crystal clear understanding of Vintage, then it'll get restricted. I don't know anything about Legacy to say whether it'll get banned there though.

LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Oct 7, 2014

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Obsoletely Fabulous posted:

Went to SCG States today and during a side event draft I got to see someone get so pissed off over the first round that he literally slammed someone in to the ground, breaking a chair.

Both players ended up DQed because the guy who got slammed knocked the other guy's cards out of his hand in retaliation for touching his cards which is what sparked the whole thing.

Holy poo poo. Which state?

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
Prices are pretty absurd right now. I've been saving my Standard trade stuff for after the Pro Tour, and I think it's a good time to cash out. There's always this psychological value inflation on cards after they top 8 a Pro Tour where people treat the cards like gold. Hoping to turn like $1500 worth of Standard cards into Eternal staples tonight. And maybe pick up the foil Dig Through Times I missed out on.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

It really irks me that the cards' abilities are similar to, but not quite the same as their Magic equivalent. Titanic Growth giving +2/+0?

Also drat you Wizards, bring back Dreamblade.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
I head judged a PTQ yesterday at Brothers Grim in Long Island that went pretty well. We got 128 players on the dot. I don't know how many people know this, but 129 players is 8 rounds. We were one player short of having to be there an extra hour.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Fingers McLongDong posted:

Searching over ebay for card deals like I enjoy doing periodically and made the mistake of searching for zendikar lands. Probably 50-75% of the listings are altered full arts covered by big titty anime girls. Does anyone actually buy those things? I guess I shouldn't be surprised since there's always a couple people at the local shop with similar sleeves and playmats, it just never ceases to amaze me.

There's a guy who routinely plays casual games with this anime playmat, I think it's a Yu Gi Oh thing, with these twin girls that are wearing belts covering and constricting their massive breasts. I high fived the judge at my PTQ who told him to turn it face down.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
Trevor's a regular at my store. He very rarely plays in my tournaments, because most of what I run is draft; we have another judge who runs the Standard events. I'm sure it's going to be all people are talking about for weeks.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
Talking to someone who hasn't played Magic in 10+ years is like talking to a time traveller from the past. You just want to tell them about planeswalkers and mythic rares and how we all have smart phones in our pockets now and blow their minds.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer
Who's ready for GP Modern Masters 2 TBD? gptbd.com

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Snacksmaniac posted:

I wish they'd announce a city but seeing its CFB, it's probably West Coast, so I won't be able to make it.

There's actually three GPs that very same weekend, which is a first, and was a big tip to people that something special is going to happen (most likely Modern Masters 2).

Edit: Actually it's Europe, Japan, and USA. Whoops! It'll probably be in Vegas again.

LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Oct 23, 2014

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Veyrall posted:

This image.

Did he really get a four-year suspension? Did he NOT realize Bertoncheaty already ate through the DCI's patience for cheating?

Edit: Also, I think I understand why Wizards didn't drag their feet on this punishment. Apparently internet bullies were threatening him and his girlfriend. A lot of people were ready to digitally lynch this rear end in a top hat before the DCI suspended him. I mean, people were ready to call his base to get the military to fire him.

Where'd you see people threatening his girlfriend? She's one of the nicest people I know. I saw people threatening to call his higher-ups in the military to report him for some kind of fraud in the hopes it'd get him in trouble, which is over the line. Only Wizards should be handling his (Magic-related) punishment. I wonder if there'll be an official announcement in today's Mothership update, because the only word we have on this is a now deleted Facebook post.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

LanceKing2200 posted:

Actually a lot of people do this to make it harder for potential employers to find your personal Facebook that has pictures of you partying and stuff. Several of my job-hunting friends have "professional" Facebook pages with their last name that are squeaky clean along with their personal one that uses their middle name.

Vital Signs posted:

A great way to tell someone is hiding from something is when they have their Facebook set to only show first and middle name.

Just gonna stop this conversation before it goes further and say he 100% did it to avoid harassment.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Chill la Chill posted:

Odd that we didn't harass Alex in the same way and it's even become more of like a sitcom joke - that's Alex for ya! Or is it that unlike Alex this guy has an actual career and girlfriend to harass?

My guess is that it was no fun to harass Alex because he acted like he was in on his own joke. The self-depreciation with his "Two Explores" handle, jokes about his suspension (which led to lengthening it, in fact), etc. made him kind of impervious to harassment because: A. It didn't seem like he would give a poo poo; B. There was basically nothing anyone could say to him that he didn't already say himself.

I also think that the attitude towards cheaters is different today because of the situation with Alex. Players are tired of hearing reports of Alex cheating from literally every event he plays in, so they're hungry for justice against any cheaters.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/statement-regarding-recent-community-concerns-2014-10-24

quote:

A Statement Regarding Recent Community Concerns

With 46 Grand Prix, four Pro Tours, a World Magic Cup, a World Championship, hundreds of Pro Tour Qualifiers, thousands of store-level events, and a large number of community-run premier-level tournaments taking place in 2014, the Magic community is a passionate and busy one. Many of these players demonstrate a strong level of sportsmanship, integrity, and passion.

However, the actions of a few do not reflect the general community’s integrity and sportsmanship. When players in the community reach out to us with these concerns and, where evidence is provided, it is reviewed through an impartial committee of experts.

Participants at events are expected to act with sportsmanlike conduct, and are expected to value the integrity of games that are played. Unsportsmanlike conduct, which includes cheating, is not welcome at any Magic event and violates the Magic Code of Conduct and tournament floor rules.

We appreciate having a fast-acting, passionate, and active community, with millions of players who value the sportsmanship and integrity expected at the hundreds of thousands of Magic events run globally every year, for bringing these matters to our attention.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer



Yes, that Feldon.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer
Red reanimator is a strange thing, but here it is! I'm surprised it doesn't exile the creature.

Edit: I saw these pop up on Facebook, but apparently they're from this coming Monday's DailyMTG update that got posted early.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

Sleep of Bronze posted:

Hm. They don't usually admit this sort of thing until the cards are out of Standard, do they? (At least not if the cards have avoided being so unhealthy as to eat a ban.)

That's sort of misrepresenting the point.

quote:

Two of our mistakes in Theros block were Thoughtseize and Courser of Kruphix, and not just because of the cards' power level. Both cards are very powerful, but also reveal a ton of information. It wasn't uncommon for both players to know every card in his or her opponent's hand by the end of turn three and for the game to then play out face up. I don't think we will be shying away from powerful discard in the future, but I don't expect us to print powerful cards like Courser of Kruphix that reveal a lot of information about the top of the library very often.

He's not saying they were too powerful to print, but that they reveal too much information that's supposed to be hidden, taking away strategy and bluffing potential.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer




Reef Worm is cute, but Freyalise is great! There's a lot of competition for mono-green commanders, but being able to pop out a creature or have a constant threat of Naturalizing something is very powerful.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

Zoness posted:

I'm actually a fan of the delay even if they had processed the video evidence a week ago. I mean, yes, people that dq'ed are actively making the game worse for everyone fair player, but I mean I honestly feel like stuff like http://isjaredboettcherbannedyet.com/ is getting excessive.

The evolution of disgust over cheaters across the past month is fascinating to watch. It's not wholly based on who is doing the cheating, but how tired the Magic community at large is with cheaters. The allegations against Jared felt like a witch-hunt because of things like isjaredboettcherbannedyet.com. I think posting the videos publicly does force Wizards' hand on investigating things faster, but poo poo like that website and the practical cyber-bullying makes the Magic community look bad. I'm worried someone is going to get this kind of attack against them and what would happen if that person was cleared by the DCI. It'd be practically as bad as if they were found guilty and suspended, because they'd be ostracized by the Magic community forever.

It's not too farfetched. At least once a month, someone comes to me accusing someone of cheating because they have a better than average draft deck.


vOv posted:

#guildgate

:aaaaa: Rating my own thread 5 because of you two, not me.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

Fuzzy Mammal posted:

Boettcher is appealing and maintains his innocence. I find his arguments unconvincing.

http://www.examiner.com/article/magic-player-jared-boettcher-addresses-dci-suspension-and-shufflegate

In short, :newlol:

Bertoncini played unsanctioned Vintage when he couldn't play sanctioned Magic anymore also. This was after about a year of suspension and Vintage TOs thought he learned his lesson and turned over a new leaf. :frogout:

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

Elyv posted:

Apparently one of the offerings is actually kind of a gently caress you offering, especially in 2 player:



That's really good even by more competitive Commander standards.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

theironjef posted:

I like his defensive reason for why we won't see a what-if Mirrordin set where the Mirrans won, which is basically "Well Coldsnap did badly so..."

The fact that they think enough people care about the plot to never do anything that doesn't fit into the metaplot is fascinating. Anyone can tell you that Coldsnap didn't fail because it was a special "What If" issue of Magic: The Gathering, it's because it was poo poo and boring to draft. I wonder if they have marketing research that shows it was a major reason of Coldsnap's failure, or Wizards (maybe even Hasbro) decided that anything that didn't work once will never work again. (See also: Return to Kamigawa.)

I'd love to see a supplemental product that was Planar Chaos 2, only without the massive color-pie breaking.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer
The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth came out today, and I found this:



I already knew about the Starter Deck, but this surprised me. I knew what it was as soon as I saw it.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

sarmhan posted:

There are more Magic references in Binding of Isaac too- Items called Lord of the Pit and Spirit of the Night.

How have I sunk like 700 hours into Isaac and not recognized these as Magic references? God DAMNIT.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

neetengie posted:

Use KMC Hyper Mattes, they're the greatest sleeves of all time.

They're the product of 20 years of card sleeve evolution, and they're fantastic. The only downside of them is that they come in 80-card packs instead of 100.

Ironically, the best sleeves ever came out soon after Magic was released, and sadly they're out of production now:



Aside from being a magnet for thumbnail marks, these sleeves last forever if you treat them right. I still have sleeves from ~20 years ago that I occasionally use for casual drafts.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer

deftest posted:

The dudes at my LGS are all super into dragon shield Turquoise/Copper. They're on a separate display from the rest of the dragon shields, and claims are made that these two colors are from a sort of 'new process' that are of a higher quality. These claims are corroborated by some of the people that work at the store... but I'm not sure I trust any of them to have any actual reasoning behind them.

Anybody ever heard of such a thing? Google results inconclusive

I've seen the copper ones. They do feel different in a better way, but I'm too burned on Dragonshields to buy them. Multiple times I've had half the sleeves in my pack be much taller than the other half, so I've sworn them off.

Oh I found this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTfQsREpXrE as I was typing this post. The copper and turquoise are flatter. That video also shows the new UltraPro "Pro Slayer" sleeves, which have a glossy back and are way too tight for double-sleeving.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer
Draft: I stopped drafting Khans because I continually get mana screwed. Nothing wrong with my shuffling, I'd just have a match where I never have more than three lands in play both games every tournament and I couldn't take it anymore. It doesn't happen to me in cube, Commander, or Standard, so no idea what's going on with that. I prefer not to think about it too hard because it's illogical.

Standard: I have a homebrew Sultai Control deck with Ashioks and Villainous Wealths that does pretty well, but I don't play in tournaments.

Vintage: I did really well for a while with Bant Fish, but the metagame changed, so I tried Oath. I can't get a handle on it, so I'm probably taking it apart and building some Stoneforge Mystic deck.

Commander: This is boring as gently caress now, filled with blue-green decks and mono-blue decks that play Mana Leak. I have four decks, but haven't played in months because it's a miserable experience. I hope a lot of people try building the non-blue mono-colored planeswalker-commanders so I don't see the same poo poo 100% of the time.

Cube: I have a common/uncommon cube and a multiplayer cube, neither get enough use for my liking.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer
A big dealer in our area always tells this story about how he had thousands of dollars in cards stolen from him, and at the next event they caught the guy trying to sell them to another dealer. The cops were called, but had to let him go because there was no way to prove the cards were or weren't his.

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LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

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Grimey Drawer
At least part of South Park on Wednesday is going to be about Magic.

South Park Studios Press Release

quote:

Kenny excels at playing the game, Magic: The Gathering. He has the boys’ full attention until a new, hard-core activity gets in the way. When Wendy tries to get Stan to pay attention to what she’s doing, she realizes that what he does with his guy friends always comes first.

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