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Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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FairGame posted:

Wait, what? "If you keep talking about this, you're hosed?"

I think that's either an error in transcription or a verbal slip on Clinton's part, the jist of the quote is clearly: we need legislative priorities. She's asking BLM for political proposals I think.

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Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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FairGame posted:

No, I totally understand what she's trying to say. But why would you say it that way?

Watch the video, it makes a bit more sense if you do. I get what she meant to say--

quote:

But if that’s all that happens, we’ll be back here in 10 years having the same conversation. We will not have all of the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime. [End clause.] [These changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime] because of your willingness to get out there and talk about this.

i.e. you deserve to see these changes because you're speaking out.

It's just a bit clumsy because she's speaking off the cuff.

Edit: obviously the sentiment is a bit off, but it's not like apocalyptically lovely or anything IMO.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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TheDisreputableDog posted:

Keep minimizing and defending this bullshit, her approvals haven't gone from 60s to 30s because of Fox News viewers.

It's almost like approval rating is largely tied to whether someone is running for office as a partisan and how visible that person is within that context! Also her approval is more like 40%

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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One big thing about this poll, which I initially missed, is that Trump is now leading as 1st and 2nd choice amongst likely Republican voters. Meaning the traditional wisdom that support will consolidate primarily behind someone else once other candidates drop out is perhaps questionable?

PS Trump unfavorability is 59% wrap it up Trumpailures.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Totalizator posted:

So Hillary vs Trump would be an election between candidates >50% americans hate

Election 2016--

Dogstoyevsky fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 18, 2015

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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For fun, and because I hate when people lol at Clinton's favorability numbers out of context, here's everyone's favorability numbers that I could find on the HuffPo tracker (this is why Biden is here but not Chafee).

code:
Candidate	Favorability	Unfavorability	Net

Clinton		41.5		48.4		-6.9
Sanders		28		27.9		0.1
Biden		44.3		41.8		2.5

Trump		37.3		56.1		-18.8
Bush		33.5		45.5		-12
Walker		25.1		29.6		-4.5
Carson		27.7		24		3.7
Cruz		27		38.4		-11.4
Kasich		20.8		26.3		-5.5
Huckabee	28.5		42.5		-14
Christie	26		48.1		-22.1
Rubio		29.6		32.5		-2.9
Paul		31.4		38.6		-7.2
Pretty much everyone is underwater.

Edit: Forgot Rubio and Paul. GOP field of a lifetime, for sure.

Dogstoyevsky fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Aug 18, 2015

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Sign him up for the Bears I guess.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Zelder posted:

People in this very thread are in so deep on the Trump Express that it's making them unironically shill for him, it's ker-razy.

The thing about doing anything ironically is that you're still the one doing it.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Rocks posted:

Conspiracy theory time: Koch and other Republican billionaires are donating to O Malley's campaign in exchange for O Malley to set his sights on Trump now to try and ruin him

What guns can O'Malley bring to bear that haven't already been turned on Trump? This would be a terrific waste of money. I think it's more likely that O'Malley's trying to start poo poo in the hopes of coattailing some media attention.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Narciss posted:

Just look at what's happening in mainland Europe the last few months for a glimpse into your fabled utopia of unlimited and unregulated immigration.

A bunch of fascist political parties temporarily pick up seats by blaming their lovely economies on immigration? I don't get what you're saying.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Narciss posted:

Are you being serious? Google "Europe immigration crisis" or some variation thereof and you'll find plenty of news on this, most of it not from Breitbart or Freep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

Thanks, I live in France, so I got a pretty good sense of what's going on. My disagreement is: I don't believe that the proper response is to shut down the borders everywhere and deport everyone. The primary impacts of this crisis appear to be (1) immense misery amongst the migrant population and (2) a boom in the political fortunes of anti-immigrant political parties. I've seen very little negative impact on the countries through which this immigration is occurring.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Shageletic posted:

Would you say that we need some sort of way to prevent these intruders from entering the thread, with some sort of barrier?

If you're going to post in D&D*, you should adopt our language and values.

*I know this isn't D&D, but neither is the US any kind of white homeland, so...

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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I'm really hoping Bad Bitch Hillary shows up to the general and not 2008 Love Me Hillary because it should be pretty clear which one the American public prefers by now.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Smoothrich posted:


Abraham Lincoln is one of my favorite historical figures, and he literally was a Republican master of unification during the most divided time in American history. The Gettysburg Address is genius rhetoric, you just need to sound like that to inspire America. Trump and Carson are all about that kind of message, no one else is.

Lincoln a master of unification :laffo: that is a fraught statement to say the least. You are the best Smoothrich.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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the_paradigm_shift posted:

Sorry, but who? Never heard of that guy, seems like a weird name though it's just three letters.

But seriously who did this Baiano guy work for before?

Pawlenty. Another low-energy candidate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfkNEq1XioE

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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I guess these are by Mark Peterson. Attached: the most 'Merica photo I have ever seen in my life.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Joementum posted:

Quote of the day, "I liked West Coast music in 90s but I can't listen to it with my kids. Now I think EDM is fun to listen to." ~ Marco Rubio

Right, latching onto a genre that's pretty much uncleavable from entheogenic drug use and a bacchanalian attitude towards sex, makes sense.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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memy posted:

People are really mad at reince about last night

I can't imagine how lovely Reince's job is. Also, to be named "Reince."

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Captain_Maclaine posted:

It's a nickname. His real firstname is "Rheinhold."

See I don't get that, Reinhold is actually kind of a dope name.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Lastgirl posted:

Reinhold is a good name, like Judge Reinhold or w/e

but Rheinhold is not, get that poo poo out of my face

For what it's worth, everything I can find in 30 seconds of googling tells me his name is Reinhold, not Rheinhold, am I just an idiot? Man I have contributed to an extremely mundane derail here.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Jeb's addressing some schoolchildren? I believe we have some footage of this event--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaRBHQlEu-o

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

I have breaking news. I have found Carson's class picture




Chokes McGee posted:

How the hell did the thread go on without at least acknowledging this

Yeah I feel bad about that, this is a dope joke.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Patter Song posted:

Is it just me or is Marco Rubio shockingly anonymous for the odds-on favorite to win the nomination?

I think Joementum has relayed a theory that Rubio may have some horrible skeletons in his closet that the GOP establishment is aware of but which have not broken into the outside world yet. The evidence for this is something about funding and also that he was vetted but not selected for veep in 2012. Someone else probably knows more.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Josh Marshall makes a point I think about a lot--what levers does the GOP establishment* really have to pull to slam on the brakes?

Josh Marshall posted:

A lot of people seem to think there's such a thing as the "GOP establishment" which is or can come in and shut Trump down to avoid a catastrophe in the general election. What exactly about the fall or Eric Cantor, John Boehner or the last 4 or 5 government shutdown dramas makes people think such a thing exists or exists with anything remotely like the size and power to do something like that escapes me. As I said, I think Trump now has a path to the nomination. He probably won't win Iowa. But he could well win New Hampshire. And if he does, he has in place a large enough and persistent enough national lead that he could do it.

* and does that really exist as a coherent body?

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Zas posted:

So I'm confused, do you want Obama to do less to fight muslim terror or more or just nothing? You seem to be all over the map

Boosted cares about one thing as far as I can tell: keeping his guns, or more accurately, not having anyone in power who he perceives will even shift the nation towards having fewer guns in the aggregate.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Just lol at anyone who's so in the tank for Trump that they have to defend him on this.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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You were too beeeeooootiful for this yooge primary.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Jesus Rubio get it together, are we walking into a Trump v Cruz endgame?

E: lol I know there's still been no voting but this is driving me bonkers

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Reservoir Dogs remake looks terrible.

E: hope they keep the ending though.

Dogstoyevsky fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jan 4, 2016

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Anal Papist posted:

When James Deen the porn star was accused a buzzfeed "journalist" who had written about him several times and was supposedly a friend of the couple came forth saying that she knew the allegations were false but she still wanted to support Stoya because it would encourage more women to come forward.

Do you have a link to this? I'm googling around "James Deen Buzzfeed Stoya rape" at work and it really isn't a good idea.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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InsanityIsCrazy posted:

Listen and Believe Unless It's Election Season

nice

Seriously, is anyone in here saying we shouldn't pay any attention to these rape allegations against Clinton? For the record, I fully support a reinvestigation of those claims, and gently caress Bill Clinton forever if he's a rapist. Sorry that I was like 13 at the time Broaddrick made her initial allegations and I wasn't demonstrating against President Rapist.

It turns out that Hillary Clinton is not the accused rapist here. I'm not really sure why anyone views this as some devastating attack against her campaign. I realize there's this fever dream that she conspired to cover it up or something; alternately, she may not have wanted to believe her husband was a rapist.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Top Bunk Wanker posted:

Is the best counter argument to "you retarded group of Obama voting rear end IT guys and one comical stereotype of the decadent coastal gay guy lifestyle will twist yourself into disingenuous, intellectually dishonest self parodies when it comes to your attitude towards sex crime allegations if they're directed toward the guy who was the cool president when you were 8" really just to post "south park much?" and "Actually, you support sex crimes :smug:". Is that really the direction you're wanting to go.

Your post was bad, so most people ignored it, hth.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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The face that Cruz has at the end of this--like he just poo poo his pants and doesn't want anyone to find out--is really what makes this.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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The National Review is getting pretty fractured over the Palin/Trump alliance.

David French

quote:

perhaps we should consider that the combination of her personal relationship with Trump, her personal experience suffering from years of the most vicious and personal attacks directed at any current or former politician in the United States, and her deep convictions regarding policy priorities for the next president have led her to this decision

Charles Cooke

quote:

And so it has come to pass. Like Palin, Trump has mastered the art of the interminable ramble, the purpose of which is not to convey meaning or to advance a useful argument but to stun the audience into dumb submission. Like Palin, Trump has embraced his ignorance and wielded it as a sign of strength and normality against the ever-protean “elite.” And, like Palin, Trump has betrayed his desire to fix the political system not by mastering or replacing it, but by becoming it. This isn’t an insurgency, it’s a shakedown. And the conmen are moving in packs.

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Legitimately starting to worry that Trumpism is some kind of mind virus a la Snow Crash

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Dream scenario: trump eats poo poo somehow, Jeb squeaks out a win, GOP goes mad, Joementum is unbearably smug and sarcastic for months

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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French for "to fool" (verb) is tromper. On ne peut pas tromper le Trump. Literally translated: "one cannot stump the Trump." Makes you think (that you shouldn't vote for Trump under any circumstances).

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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Out of context this is such a bad ad. Timestamp the repetitions, or show Christie eviscerating Rubio, otherwise you lose the full impact of how badly Rubio hosed up.

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Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

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quote:

“Kasich ran a one-state campaign,” [Bush communications director] Miller told a group of reporters at the rally. “He does not have a viable path to the nomination at all, and he certainly does not have a viable path to success in South Carolina, a state where support of the military is critical.”

lol Jeb how can you even say this stuff with a straight face

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