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Delta-Wye posted:I'm still waiting for Romney to flip flop on his decision to leave the race and come back in with guns ablazin'. If some disaster befalls J.E.B.'s campaign, I can see Romney magnanimously entering the waters to save the Republican party (and, by extension, America) from itself. Based on the accounts from last time (that Romney didn't want to run, but changed his mind after he was persuaded that the country needed him) I think he doesn't have any interest in campaigning unless he can construct some sort of messianic narrative around it.
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blackmet posted:What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway? If you're Rand Paul, you're specifically counting on luring some of those people - particularly well-to-do techies with similar leanings - to your side using fake libertarianism, and will go after any kind of foothold you can get. Rand has to be counting on reflexively anti-establishment people in California and the Rockies to get anywhere, given that there's too much competition in the South and the midwest and northeast won't care for his poo poo. No idea what Christie was thinking, though. Should be trying to consolidate the moderate vote, not reaching out to fringe idiots.
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Caros posted:Jesus, really? Who the gently caress thought that was a good idea? Post footage -> footage disseminates on the Internet -> people more skeert of Mooselimbs -> more votes for big tuff Republicans who can protect us from Sharia Law they should get on board with anti-vax, too. More children dying of easily-preventable infectious disease -> blame easily pinned on Illegal Immigrant Plaguebearers -> more votes for big tuff Republicans who can protect us from The Mexicans PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Cliff Racer posted:O'Malley? Jim Webb? They aren't awful candidates, just in a cycle where Hillary has sucked up so much support. Hell, you could probably come up with fifty sitting or former senators and governors who would be "palatable." Most of them wouldn't want to jump in the race but if Hillary leaves someone is going to go in there to be the status quo candidate. isn't O'Malley the current go-to Cautionary Tale Tax Hound of american politics? I don't think we'd want to run somebody the Right could try and turn into a reverse Brownback, no matter how erroneously. Republicans won a gubernatorial campaign in Maryland of all places, seemingly by campaigning against his record. That does not say great things for his viability on the national stage. Granted, O'Malley's pretty personable by the Democrats' standards and that counts for a lot. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Aliquid posted:What's weird is that if Jeb is the nominee, W will be in the audience and it'll be palpably weird that he's not speaking. He'll definitely be the biggest issue for Jeb heading into the fall campaign, and we can all steel ourselves toward reliving our high school years in the media. They can have W speak if it's just a bunch of childhood anecdotes about how much smarter Jeb is than him. Just have some speechwriters change all the references to something people can relate to, so that "When we was kids, I would try to git the nanny off of our backs by yellin and cryin at her, but Jeb figured out how to sweet talk her real good by promisin' to put in a good word with th' household HR director," becomes "I used to try and climb up the fridge to get the cookie jar, but Jeb figured out he could just push a chair up and stand on that," PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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Cigar Aficionado posted:So he's giving up his Senate seat? He will probably just not bother running in the Kentucky presidential primary, which he will have a hard time winning anyway given the more conventional southern republicans like Jeb and Huck who will likely be in the race. Rand knows he has to pin his hopes on the West Coast and the Rockies. Maybe New Hampshire.
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Whatever Rand decides, I will be interested to see how his next campaign performs. 2010 was a shock campaign during the Tea Party wave year wherein he caught provincial opposition totally off-guard. I'm pretty familiar with Trey Grayson (the moderate/establishment former SecState Rand blew out in the primary), and he's a slick, solid, accomplished guy who should have been a fine candidate despite his association with the much-hated Fletcher administration. But during the primary you could see him flailing about in confusion, unsure of how to deal with an opposition campaign that combined the attributes of grassroots insurgency with massive out-of-state dark money streams. Rand was able to attack from every angle and had the bandwagon backing of national conservative media. Rand could paint Grayson as too liberal due to his cooperation with Beshear. He could paint him as too conservative due to his association with Fletcher and the extent of his establishment ties. He could score aesthetic points - the great war-winner of Kentucky politics - because Grayson is a harvard academian who served on advisory boards with people like Ted Kennedy, while Rand is pretty good at the aw-shucks country doctor routine when he buckles down and concentrates on it. The latter of these was also key against Conway in the general. It was really just a perfect storm. A nationwide election with a more general audience and a less provincial political environment is a different matter entirely. I expect Rand's performance in 2016 will probably have some major repercussions regarding the GoP's general flirtation with libertarianism, in that it will indicate whether this is actually a strong trend within the electorate or just a fad that can project the occasional dark horse to victory in the right circumstances. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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To be fair Huntsman was out of it long before he came out as a chinese plant, partially because he'd been out of the country during the pre-primary jockeying, partially because Romney came in with the name recognition due to '08 and the media said to themselves "gently caress, I'm not covering TWO rich, handsome Mormon ex-governors. This is eating up valuable Crazy Person airtime". If he'd been positioned as strongly as Romney to begin with, I don't know that being a secret chinaman would have hurt him that much. With enough clout it's easy to spin that less as "Jon Huntsman/Jeb Bush is a Red Chinee/Messican", more "see, our candidate knows of the foreigners' sorcerous tongue! We need no longer fear their dastardly magic!" PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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The GoP will have to default to libertarianism eventually once the social conservatives die out and they're left with nothing but being the gently caress The Poor party. They will need libertarian rhetoric to counter the populists. (Not that there aren't young social conservatives, but anti-gay, anti-weed and anti-abortion is not going to be an election-winning platform anymore. The parties may end up retrenching around different social issues, but it will take a while for the battle lines to be drawn) It's just a matter of timing. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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this is all yalls fault for not votin Jesse Jackson in the '88 primaries
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De Nomolos posted:Republicans can win in strong D states (MA, MD, NJ). Democrats can't come within striking distance in strong R states (UT, AK, the rest of the Plains and Deep South). What does that say about GOP viability? Blue Dog-run state Democratic parties are still strong enough to win in plenty of states that are deep-red at the national level. West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Montana, etc These are less important states than Pennsylvania or Massachusetts and in many cases you're just dealing with leftover dixiecrats in steady decline, but the point is that it this is not a phenomenon confined to the Democrats' backyard. There are still plenty of voters in the mushy middle who vote on aesthetic, gut feeling or immediate circumstances rather than party loyalty. Democrats can win in Republican strongholds if they assemble strong ground games and run candidates the people there will find appealing (generally rootin' tootin' fake populists who are willing to sell out minorities). Republicans can win in Democratic strongholds if they assemble strong ground games and run candidates the people there will find appealing (stern businessmen who are disciplined enough not to talk about how much they hate gays or women).
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Pinterest Mom posted:If you asked me if I wanted to be the party that does well in state-level races and congress, or the party that does well in the presidential contest, I don't think it's even close. I think it's a matter of whether we're actually living in that paradigm or whether this is still Reagan's America and we're just living in a dying democratic bubble produced by a freak year in 2008. If Hillary wins, we'll be able to talk about whether there has actually been a realignment. Jerry Manderbilt posted:Isn't Arkansas' state government completely controlled by the GOP now, and West Virginia looking to head the same way in 2016? Yes, hence "leftover dixiecrats in steady decline" I think Jack Conway will have a hard time beating James Comer too, so Kentucky might head that way as well. That still doesn't mean that the electorates in those states have decided they will never ever vote for a Democrat ever again, it means that the state GoPs are currently winning the campaign-trail war. In many places the county-level democratic machinery is still ironclad, but has refused to work on behalf of more liberal higher-level democratic candidates. This can change if the state-level democrats sell out hard enough. I'm not saying they should, I'm just saying that the recent republican trend in those states is not indicative of fierce partisan loyalty. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Jeb cracks me the gently caress up. How are you gonna give a speech trying to convince everyone you aren't GWB and then like 2 sentences later start dogwhistling your war boner? Go kick rocks dude. This whole election season is gonna be funny because Jeb is very stick-to-his-guns regarding his father and brothers' legacies. He'll try talking around it at first but when people keep bringin' it he will eventually find himself in full-throated defense of Dubya. sbaldrick posted:I wouldn't say Kentucky is heading that way but it is very blue dog. I think Conway, being a slick city-boy lawyer from louisville, will have a hard time getting votes out of the rural people who elected good ol' Uncle Steve. You need a good share of the rural vote to win here, and I think a lot of that vote will lean toward Comer. Some of that will translate downticket, though I think the democrats will hold SecState and AG regardless. Yeah we've had a ton of democratic governors and everybody really hated Fletcher, but all of those democratic governors were good ol' boy (or good ol' girl, in Collins' case) country populists, where Conway is manifestly not that. It makes me nervous that we're suddenly drawing so many candidates from the urban louisville business community when historically that was the losing Republican wheelhouse. Conway is focusing all of his efforts on coal country in an effort to run up the vote in the east, but who knows whether that will be enough. Granted, the state GoP primary is a goddamn mess right now and I could see them nominating one of their Tea Party idiots in lieu of the sensible candidate PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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damnit Jeb you can't select "all of the above" for everybody when you play gently caress-marry-kill -hire with W PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Feb 19, 2015 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm pretty sure America is not ready for a Jeb in the white house. J.E.B. Stuart would win with 65% of the popular vote
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TEAYCHES posted:The best option is to not vote, in my opinion. Watch the elections with an amused detachment. are you implying them are two different categories anyway, yall just vote against hillary in the primaries and you can vote for her in the general with a clear conscience
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bird cooch posted:Im pulling for a Clinton/Castro ticket just so we can see the right at maximum frothiness. for max froth, you need Castro/Castro, or Castro/Gabbard.
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bird cooch posted:BHO is a hard act to follow to be sure, but who can you put up realistically to make the right continue to alienate major portions of the population? Backing up a black man with a muslim name with an old crone and a messican is a pretty strong play. My Soros Bux are on Hilldog/Fidel. whose racist agin messicans who ain't racist agin blacks? whose racist agin blacks who ain't racist agin messicans? We gotta optimize for racist demographics if we're gonna pull this off
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Neeksy posted:In terms of the rest of the world "liberal" does mean conservative, just usually a center-right. Only the US seems to use "liberal" as a word to describe leftism, mostly because the overton window of discourse is so intensely shifted to the extreme right. also "socialism", "social" and to a lesser extent "labor" are dirty words in America, so a lot of the terminology most places have available to them is not available Brits are certainly able to recognize that the president and other american democrats are more Tory than anything
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Pohl posted:Oh hell yeah. Walker reminds me of Regan, and that scares the hell out of me. Scott Walker married his wife on Reagan's birthday and celebrates his anniversary/Reagan's Birthday as a joint holiday where they eat all of Reagan's favorite foods. I'm pretty sure that, if he could get away with it, he would eat Reagan's bones to gain his power and become him.
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V. Illych L. posted:So who are the registered republicans who reckon Christie's too conservative? Have they gotten lost or something? that's probably the people who are actually democrats, ideologically speaking, but vote R because they care about their gun hobby more than they care about every other issue. There are a couple of d&d posters on that part of the republican spectrum. That and low-information types who assume he is radical because he is angry.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:He seems like a cargo cult imitation of Reagan more than anything, and I dunno how far that can get him. More importantly, Walker is acharismatic and unlikeable, firmly situated at the opposite end of the image spectrum from Ronnie. No way he can pull off Reagan's aw-shucks-I-dunno-about-that thing to avoid all public backlash when he does something wrong.
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OneTwentySix posted:With regards to Walker, I just don't see how someone can run a presidential campaign when their home state has done so absolutely horrible economically under his leadership that they're considering missing a debt payment. Even if I was a Republican that liked all the other horrible things he's done, I can't see how someone could look at him and say, "yeah, I want that for the rest of the country." Plus the whole no-degree thing - how is this guy in any sense a viable candidate? Either one of those should make you a joke candidate. Republicans are fine with terrible jobs numbers so long as the people losing their jobs are blacks and jewesses
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computer parts posted:Too bad Wisconsin is 86% white. sure, but Wisconsin public-sector unions ain't
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Pegged Lamb posted:I hope Rand Paul runs Libertarian after failing to clinch the nomination and spoils the election. Of course he'll probably have to get hit in the head during a jousting contest before considering that. Libertarian Rand wouldn't spoil the election any more than various regional third parties spoiled it by nominating Ron for the presidency every four years, particularly with mainstream Republicans becoming more comfortable with libertarian rhetoric. The national libertarians aren't giving him the nomination, so he would have to rely on local fringe-conservative groups. Yeah he'd pull some votes but mostly in non-competitive states. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Feb 22, 2015 |
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Pohl posted:Why are we not focusing on Rand Paul being hit in the head during a theoretical jousting contest? That is the best part. I dunno, the idea of Rand getting presidential nominations from a bunch of one-state cults and white-supremacist parties he's never heard of the way his dad did is pretty funny regardless of head-bopping Particularly as he might fail to obliviously aw-shucks his way through it like Ron and attempt to craft a media narrative around his success as a write-in candidate among Pendleton-area survivalists or disgruntled Pentecostal splinter groups or whatever PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Feb 22, 2015 |
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Walker is too middle-class to make an amusing Rust Baron I need my yankee republican candidates to ramble off on bizzare anecdotes about their stableboys, or swiving the local maidens. Romney was the perfect Rust Baron.
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ufarn posted:I unironically love that Hillary is giving lip service to the third-way idiots. Hillary is married to a third-way idiot and also is a third-way idiot, so Joementum posted:Sheldon Adelson doesn't much care who's defining civilization's rules and leading (possibly) the civilizing forces this time, so long as they beat Rand Paul. This would be different if Rand could get all the west-coast tech money he thinks he can get, but he is conservative enough that I think most of the bigbux guys will ultimately balk at committing to him. Not like third-way dems are anticorporate, and Rand's social liberal credentials are not very good. Mitch is probably just looking out for the Senate seat: Rand polls significantly better than any other Republican in the state, particularly with their bench clearing out in pursuit of the governorship. Massie (who could probably win the primary easily enough with tea-party dark money) would get his poo poo wrecked by Beshear and might have trouble with Grimes or Mongiardo or Adkins. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Nonsense posted:I wonder if the Castros would attempt another switcharoo. It pissed off Bexar county republicans when they found out Joaquin was posing as Julian at some events, when Julian wasn't able to make those appearances. wasn't that an accident
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He is also poo poo at sandwich-making should work harder at projecting an image of charming domesticity. Put some mustard on there or something.
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downs-syndrome david schwimmer, I'm tellin ya
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Look Hillary's going to win in 2016 and she'll either have a Congress that does nothing or a Congress that does nothing but pass poo poo she'll veto the gently caress out of. SCOTUS remains 5-4 neocon shitfuck as Ginsburg gets replaced after an absolute horrorshow of a nomination process while Scalia and Kennedy hang on. hillary still has 2 of her 3 free kills left. Obamas trouble was that he used up all of his fighting as a child soldier in east africa Casimir Radon posted:I always figured Hillary's chances were damaged by all the baggage that comes from being poo poo on by the right wing press for 25ish years. Jokes about her being a witch and whatnot are more or less pop culture at this point. Maybe I'm unreasonably afraid of a college dropout, and all around retard like Walker winning, but it's insane he's still governor of Wisconsin. In Wisconsin he has a massively powerful local machine that drives vast turnout among a very specific and hyper-conservative part of the state. Those Milwaukree suburbs account for his entire margin of victory and then some. In a national primary (much less a general) he will not have big mommy talk-radio to coddle him. He will be facing equally powerful machines elsewhere, run by people who fight a lot dirtier and harder than the opposition he's used to. He will have to answer for the national-level Republican policy and talk people through his terrible resume without the benefit of ironclad local electioneering. Anyway, delegates come state-by-state and when you look at a map there is not really a clear path to the republican nomination for him. The South won't like him because he is a bland, smarmy-looking fucker who does not at all appeal to the southron taste for political theatre. The Northeast and west coast won't like him because he is an idiot hayseed. Where does he expand his appeal outside the Midwest?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Whatever happened to Paul Ryan running in 2016? paul ryan swam back to his ancestral spawning grounds to feed and prepare for mating season seen here harassing a page: 
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FAUXTON posted:How many of the big GOP donors like the Kochs and Adelson are long on Walker? I recall some news murmurs about a big money coalition to make sure Randpaul loses the primary but I don't know if he's buried the hatchet with those folks or even why he rubs them the wrong way. I know Walker is the current Koch vassal, but are they really that set on him or will they flock to whoever gives them the best shot in the General once he's said or done a few stupid things on the campaign trail?
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Man, I hate to break this to you, but most of those celebrities you're following on Twitter are just PR interns. I can respect Hillary's ability to hire a better twitterista than 99% of other politicians, though.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:It's pretty incredible that the only reason Carson is a candidate because of a goddamn prayer breakfast this is what happens when an one entire half of a two-party system is motivated by racial/cultural spite.
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I like how First Semester Debate Competitor carson's presentation style is gonna be fun to watch on stage with Jeb "I am a Very Serious Businessman" Bush, Uncle Huckster, the Randpaul and Walkerbot PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Mar 4, 2015 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:Nixon. the American Electorate cannot be held accountable for decisions it made prior to the invention of the photograph
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