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Kenshin posted:42s are quite capable of going down the coconut run to Australia Congratulations! You know what they say about the best two days of owning a boat... Could you talk more about how you selected down to this boat? Also could you talk about how much sailing experience you have and what your intended usage is? I know thats basically asking for an essay but any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated. I've been looking at sailboats literally my entire life, and its basically now or never. I've sailed before, insomuch as been on a sailboat under way and someone said 'pull this line some', but my parents had a ski boat & uncles were commercial divers so I've been on the water most of my life. I'm looking for something large enough to make passage, and the Catalinas have appealed to me. As pointed out itt, they're not really the traditional bluewater boats but a lot of people have sailed them pretty much everywhere. Performance is not a concern whatsoever, ease of sailing and comfort and durability is my number one concern.
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Kenshin posted:Sure, first my sailing experience, I learned to sail in 2013, got my ASA courses up through 106 including 114 between 2013-2014. Been doing charters not quite every year since, one in the BVIs, one down in Mexico, the rest in the San Juans up here in Puget Sound. Also have done plenty of daysailing on Puget Sound through a local sailing club. Thank you for the answers, and using a consulting service is brilliant. Sorting through boats is worse than horse trading haha. Would you mind sharing some of the other boat models you were considering? It seems like we have very similar goals (2 people, sail locally on the west coast for 1-2 years while upgrading / retrofitting, and then either going south to Panama or across the Pacific) Again, congrats on the boat. I wasn't familiar with this specific model and its really a beautiful boat. Catalinas just seem to 'fit' in so much more boat than other models the same length.
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Dec 18, 2021 02:29
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Kenshin posted:I really liked the look of a 1994 Passport 44 that was for sale down in Portland, but it was sale pending before I had a chance to go down and look at it. Thanks again for the response. I agree w/r/t Hunters and C&Cs, I've been on one of each and they struck me as fine for daysailing but I wouldn't want to travel the world with them. Of course people have sailed all sorts of boats all over the place. I'd been looking at a more traditional double ender because I'm more concerned about passage performance, but it makes it less fun to use in the day to day. I haven't chartered or taken any sailing courses yet, so I should probably do that before committing to anything.
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So this is probably opening up a can of worms, but as someone who understands nothing about sailing nor sailing culture - Whats the deal with motorsailers? It seems like they can motor, or they can sail, or they can motor AND sail at the same time... but its my understanding even the term is a bit of a misnomer because any sailboat with a motor is technically a motorsailer? From the research I've done, it seems like specific motorsailors incorporate certain powerboat features to be easier to motor while making compromises on the ease & performance of sailing. Also it seems like every traditional sail/powerboat captain sorta hates them, but from an outsider perspective they seem like an easy way to get into cruising? Does anyone happen to know anything about the LM30 specifically?
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Kenshin posted:I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with them at all if that fits your use case, but most folks consider them to be for older people who don't want to pull on lines as often. Thank you! I got an old people vibe from a lot of the motorsailers I'd browsed, just from the decor and the descriptions. Kenshin posted:You can motor just fine in most sailboats if you want. thank you, that was my understanding as well but I was questioning the reason to build or name something specific.
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Hadlock posted:Motor sailers are fine I guess, depends on your use case. They're probably good for the east coast where you need a shallow draft Funny you mention the Macgregor 26, I've seen that come up a lot. Its weirdness intrigues me - it seems like it incorporates a lot of innovative features that never took off in the sailing community at large. The macgregor and other motorsailers I've seen, specifically Lancers, seem like they also make a lot of concessions to be trailerable. (I'm not getting a Macgregor) Ultimately I am looking for a liveaboard with weekend trips to Catalina. Like every other internet sailor I've got aspirations to circumnavigate, but tbh if I made the Baja Ha Ha that would be a genuine bucket list achievement. FAKE EDIT  I was googling some of the weirder features about the Macgregor that I half-remembered, and I ran across this video of a dude water skiing behind it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHneDA6vwm8&t=36s 
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Hadlock posted:The macgregor 26 doesn't have any structural bulkheads (that I remember) its basically a tupperware box with a 60hp outboard engine, probably a good lake sailor to drink beers on, I've seen many in person but never stepped foot on one. They sold a lot of them though IIRC the macgregor is built like a ski boat - a combination of spray-in fiberglass and pour-in foam for positive flotation. I've never been on one either, but like you said people seem to love them. Thank you for the recommendation and I agree - I've been thinking Catalina 30 or 36. I like the encapsulated keel, the layouts are generous, and they're ubiquitous so parts are readily available. Seems like a 36 can still be flubbed around singlehanded pretty easily? I can't tell what covid did to prices specifically, but it feels like the boats i'm looking at today are significantly less expensive than they were a year ago. Also I did some research on Baja Naval in Ensenada MX, and talked to a couple of their people. Seems like a solid yard thats desperate for work in covid times with fantastic prices. Shot in the dark, but does ITT have any experience with them?
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Again i know nothing, but I believe Cat 30s+ had a poured ballast and no keel bolts. It was my understanding this is why they get the notorious smile - the fiberglass holding the ballast weight pulls away from the hull. Speaking of horrific keel bolts, I looked at a nice I36 a year+ ago and its keel bolts were solid rust on the outside. As you said, its a maintenance item, but in my research it was also dumb expensive. Keel bolts snapping is my #1 irrational fear, so whatever I can do to avoid that (and not spend half the boats value on getting them repaired) EDIT - seems like its keel bolts and hten they put fiberglass around it.. huh. So if the bolts snapped than maybe the boat doesnt flip over and drown you instantly... Vampire Panties fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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Hadlock posted:So the US Navy has a program where every ~10 years or so they comission a fleet of 5-12 sailboats called "Navy 44" and they just abuse the hell out of them in proper military fashion, so they're built to be just absolutely bullet proof Thats cool, thanks for the tip. I've seen a lot of auxiliary boats listed on the West Coast and I had sorta wondered what the story was. It didn't occur to me that the Navy, Coast Guard, or Sea Scouts would be building new fiberglass ships. https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1988-lm-30-pilothouse-motor-sailer-8056760/ As I may have mentioned previously ITT, I'm very seriously considering a liveaboard. This 1988 LM30 boat checks a lot of boxes, but I don't really know anything about boats. Seems like this is a rare motorsailor that sails well, its a bit of an oddball model for its location but they're generally recognized as well built, and it seems like its in excellent condition. Of course none of that means anything until I've physically seen the boat, but what am I missing?
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Hadlock posted:Chances are that you'll recoup your expenses within 6-9 months if you're already living in SF proper, within 18 months for anywhere else Thank you for the advice. You hit the nail on the head - it'll be crazy, but the cost of living is so much cheaper that it makes a stupid kind of sense. Plus my career has changed with covid - I'm location agnostic so I like the idea of being able to take my home up and down the coast, albeit with serious time and effort. Also completely agree on not getting out of the "Gate - there's a lot of stuff that I need to see work, work well, and work numerous times before I think about going anywhere. TBH I'm excited - this ship coooooould be the world cruising platform I've been dreaming about. Ideally I'd convert the diesel to electric and add some batteries and solar and have a real pocket cruiser. EDIT: re: dating pool - I quit drinking 9+ years ago. From my experience on dating apps, I'd guess that I'm already dating in the liveaboard pool anyway 
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Hadlock posted:Yeah with a boat cost of living zeros out pretty quick, and that's assuming you just walk away from the boat and leave it for salvage. If you manage to sell the boat at any price, the payback period decreases dramatically yeah, my relationship with alcohol is not traditional by any means - never attended a single meeting, just decided to quit one day after a really rough weekend. TBH if I really understood the ostracism of not drinking, I never would've quit, but that's not a story for the boat thread! I've worked in enterprise sales through all of it, so I'm really cool with hanging out with booze lovers. Also,  until the Sun melts. Also yeah the cost of living on a boat is pennies compared to rent - if I could make this boat work for a year or two, the money I'd save would either buy a much larger and nicer boat, or it could work towards a down payment on a house ( i'm never going to afford a house in california, even the crappy parts) Even if I only go day sailing, or just motor around whichever Bay i'm anchored in and hire a crew to move it up and down the coast, its STILL cheap as chips compared to buying or renting. Quite frankly the marinas here in SD are nicer, cleaner, safer, and have way more amenities than any of the shithole apartments I've rented lately. Having a pool and laundry on site would be a big step up
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Kenshin posted:As someone who works remotely and just bought a sailboat and is going to live on it and work from it starting soon, a few things to consider: Yes to all of this! Actually a big reason why I want to jump on this particular boat https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1988-lm-30-pilothouse-motor-sailer-8056760/ - The pilothouse will be a nice area to do laptop stuff or even mount a screen, and I'm fairly confident I can convert the setee to a full desk if I want. I havent gotten quite this far re: internet access yet. All of the marinas I've looked at here in SD had wifi + you could sign up for residential internet out to the slip. i'm going to really dig into this once I have more particulars on the boat & marina. re: electricity - this is one of my biggest concerns. real meaningful solar that gets consistent sun seems to be a real challenge on a sailboat. In a perfect world I'd convert everything that consumes fuel to electric - electric stove top and grille, electric water heater, electric inboard -but I've only started to scratch the surface on how that would all work. I'm a pretty big nerd (check the reg date ) so I feel confident I can figure out a laptop and a battery and a solar panel as a minimum, but its going to be a huge learning process beyond that. I've already talked myself out of through-hulls for a saltwater cooling loop for a custom low wattage gaming PC.
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n0tqu1tesane posted:I've installed wifi for a marina before, and if you want to rely on marina wifi, you're going to want an extender kit that places an antenna outside your boat that connects to the marina wifi, then a router of your own inside to provide ethernet ports and rebroadcast the wifi to your devices. The materials boats are made out of, as well as being close to or below waterline doesn't do well for connecting to wifi inside the boat. Thanks for the link. I had sorta figured I would want/need some sort of range extender package to bring wifi down into the boat properly. I also wanted to look at directional wifi antennas, but I'm not sure how to mount that high enough to clear ground clutter, while also not so high that its oscillating 8 feet back and forth as the boat rocks in the slip or at anchor. Karma Comedian posted:You can also get yourself on waiting lists for marina liveaboard slips and then bounce around marinas maxing out their transient dockage until you get the call I've given this some thought as well. I dont know about specifically in the Bay, but at least in SD there are transient anchorages run by the port with decent facilities and a very sheltered location that are available to out-of-towners.
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I know exactly nothing about blow boats, but this made me think of the San Francisco Bird Boats https://supernaturaldesign.com/bird-boats I think they're longer but pretty similar
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Hadlock posted:As someone who took their boat off the market I can confirm it's past it's peak chiming in to say that I've been on the craigslist and yachtworld weekly-ish for the last few years, and boats are in freefall right now. This is usually the best time of year to boat shop anyway, but it feels like there's real value to be had as compared to the last few years were supply was tight and prices were inflated. Also a lot of  Good boats have seemingly sat on the market for a while. I'm looking mostly in the SoCal area which seems to be its own little niche when it comes to boat availability and pricing FWIW
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https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/d/newport-beach-1978-pacific-seacraft/7580841967.html Seems like a banging price on a very very solid boat that needs a lot of elbow grease? Whole boat is dirty as poo poo, the teak is sorta/kinda hosed but could potentially be rehabed, and it obviously needs a bottom scrub and paint. The engine looks like what I'd expect a 43 year old diesel to look? 
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Hadlock posted:I've never seen a chain just chilling on the outside before, that's... very interesting. I'm always worried a wave comes and sucks my tshirt into the belt while I'm diagnosing a fuel problem and it's running. Exposed chain with sprocket teeth is next level finger chopper  Thank you for the input. It being a pacific seacraft, and the interior being decent, is what caught my eye. 25k in refits seems like a lot, but I think thats sorta to be expected on any boat thats as old as I am it also seems like this is the kinda boat I actually could take to Fiji, although it would be slow AF. Also yeah I would want to do something with the engine. My heart wants to go electric for numerous reasons but it seems unrealistic on a boat this heavy/old. EDIT also heavily agreed on the teak. Assuming nothing is leaking through, and AFAIK the pacific seacraft are solid core decks? that poo poo can be done one-handed somewhere tropical, upgrading to two hands if sufficiently buzzed
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n0tqu1tesane posted:Hybrid diesel-electric is an option these days too. Seems to provide a lot of benefit for more than just propulsion too: Kenshin posted:It's also hilariously expensive. I'd love a system like that but it would completely blow my cruising budget and I'm doing a full lithium upgrade, new electronics, new sails, a hard solar array, and new running rigging this year.  I've done some math on costs for batteries and such, and it gets wild really fast. There's a dude on Youtube who spent 250k 5 years ago on batteries. solar panels, electric drives, and diesel gensets to convert his Cat to entirely electric drive, no sails. LiPo and flexible solar panels have come a long way in efficiency in that short time, and all of the stuff is significantly less expensive, but still. If those toroidal props actually pan out to be 20% improvement, especially in capturing electricity as the boat sails, then it may be realistic to start refitting boats. Otherwise, with the costs and performance tradeoffs and overall engineering challenges of building a new system into an existing boat, it makes more sense to go absolutely ham and have someone build you a boat. If I won the lottery I would probably call Neel, hand them the black card, and tell them to figure out a hybrid 47 for me but right now it just doesn't seem feasible.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Some goon should buy this 57 footer so I can come sail with them: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/d/richmond-57-foot-custom-blue-water-ketch/7582882450.html I'm assuming this is so inexpensive because finding a place to store it is practically impossible? These sorts of listings are always a crackup. Buncha disjointed pictures, practically no description of the boat itself, at least two faux-artsy pics of the same thing taken at slightly different angles.
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The Locator posted:Or just because a 52 year old wooden boat of that size is just a giant sucking black hole for money? As it's a custom build there will be zero parts available and every single repair will be a custom job (other than minor stuff or maybe engine parts). Hadlock posted:Half the time if you call the guy you'll get the entire play by play of both circumnavigations This was sorta my view on it.. its so huge and solidly built, and it needs so much ongoing maintenance, that basically you buy this thing if you plan on sailing to Fiji the second you can get a crew together. Its care and feeding are going to be nearly identical sitting at anchor or in the South Pacific, and while its sorta weird that every single repair will be a custom job, thats how most homes are at a certain level it also makes things a lot easier - its always going to involve woodworking and some sort of epoxy I wish I were anywhere close to the Bay because I'd go take a look.
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Kenshin posted:It's almost certainly a hulk that is nearly falling apart Pham Nuwen posted:They were actively sailing it up until covid hit, it looks like: http://www.sailingacross.com/ The first COVID furloughs were nearly 3 years ago. Plenty of time for a boat like that to pick up some really nasty incurable diseases. On the other hand, also totally possible that the thing is a floating tank and (cosmetic poo poo aside) is ready for another circumnavigation. If it were a Coast Guard approved charter, that implies some sort of initial and potentially ongoing safety inspections, at least to satisfy insurance? Its way too much boat for me anyway; Wooden boats are cool as hell, and I know this is a statistical improbability, but on a circumnavigation I'd be concerned about the ship breaking apart in some freak climate-change related storm.
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Invalido posted:This sweet drone footage popped up in my youtube recommends and I thought it was pretty amazing.  that fancy flying boat is doing its best to become a submarine
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 at the climate change imagery of houseboats catching fire while huddled in (what visually amounts to) a puddle. Double since the water has been so low on Lake Powell, nobody has really been using these houseboats, which means thousands of hours of deferred maintenance across that marina.
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Supradog posted:I spotted this over in the osha thread and thought of this thread. They're doing thunderboat poo poo in a wooden ski boat. I didnt see any restraints, life jackets, or helmets. Literally if anything goes wrong, they're dead
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TheFluff posted:the military always have the bigger toys  Were these things intended to intercept the Caspian Sea Monster
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Do boat sales go the way of motorcycle sales in the winter and you can get a great deal? There's some decent lil boats that include a slip for the 6 weeks of sailing left but if I can get something better in the offseason I'd probably just do that February is boat-buying season; It is known.  (California) boat registration renews on a calendar year, its the coldest/shittiest weather of the year, and everyone has to pay taxes. September after Labor Day would be a distant 2nd IMO.
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You're looking for a ski bridle. It's basically a Y-shaped piece of rope with a little float at the junction so the rope doesnt get sucked into the prop when you stop. Some of the fancy bridles will have a pulley so the tow rope can swing way out of the wake. Check your boat manual but you're probably fine hooking them to the trailer eyelets on the back.
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