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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

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SunAndSpring posted:

Some people are mad there's a black Stormtrooper in the episode VII trailer because all the Empire soldiers were British and apparently there is no such thing as a black British guy.

Idris Elba should be a Stormtrooper.

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Mar 4, 2013

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Otisburg posted:

Jabba the hutt sending "slave leia" up to boba fetts room as like a gratuity/fringe benefit and him telling her he won't cheifly b/c sex outside of marraige is wrong.

And then explaining that he hates Han Solo more than anyone else in the whole galaxy because he's a smuggler who steals things. Unlike every other smuggler apparently. And for Fett to be saying this? The guy who was so notorious that Vader had to specifically tell him NOT to disintegrate his targets and actually try to capture them?

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Booblord Zagats posted:


PS Thrawn was a MASSIVE Mary-Sue character in the books, nerds

Only after the rest of the authors got in on it. In the Thrawn Trilogy, the Grand Admiral does make a few mistakes, and he is duped by Lando when he tries to steal New Republic warships. It was only after Zahn that everyone kept orgasming over how super invincible Thrawn was, and it got really annoying. Like how they take one instance where Thrawn perceives a tactical advantage from looking at a Species's painting, and suddenly Thrawn can defeat anyone by looking at their artwork.

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IIRC, Traviss was actually told to use the three million clone trooper figure by Lucasfilm to begin with. It's still retarded, but that's one thing you can't really blame on her. Hell, the book Labyrinth of Evil by fan favorite James Luceno would have you believe that the Clone Army had less than one million troopers.

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She also managed to "fix" the numbers issue by having a few billion clones secretly held in reserve on Coruscant's moon. Once the Jedi were wiped out, the massive occupation force would roll over the galaxy.

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Sunshine Mix posted:

So I was wondering this last night...if the clone army was made in secret, how did they keep the construction of the blasters, dropships, spaceships, armor, etc secret? IIRC these were made by "established" EU companies like BlasTech, KDY etc and weren't made by the Kaminoans or Kaminoan clients building them in secret. Was there ever an EU explanation for that? Did Sifo-Diyas contact the equivalent of Lockheed Martin and ask them to develop new shiny spaceships on his lonesome and they we like, "Uh. Okay sure we'll forgo the deposit this time."

The primary Republic Fleet was built by Rothana Heavy Engineering, a subsidiary of Kuat Drive Yards. They built the fleet over ten years to avoid suspicion, and all the ships were secretly moved after construction so nobody caught wind of their intent before they were deployed to Geonosis.

KDY does most of the public business for the company, leaving Rothana to do the private contracts. Once the war broke out however, they didn't need to hide anymore.

BlasTech does business with anyone and everyone. A giant shipment of DC-15 series blasters wouldn't be much of a surprise when they are literally the largest gun manufacturer in the galaxy. And with a tiny three million man army, who's going to notice that shipment when the Corporate Sector's loving security forces outnumber the Clone Army?

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pentyne posted:

I'm guessing this is a Karen Traviss quote.

Actually, it was from a comic, I believe. A freighter accidentally stumbled upon Rothana's fleet of Acclamators and was destroyed before it could let the word out.

Traviss's books don't really focus on Space Combat at all, except for one notable moment in Revelation. Traviss resurrected the craziest/worst aspects of the Kevin J Anderson novels and threw them all into a space battle over Fondor. Admiral crazy-as-gently caress-yet-incompetent-Daala shows up out of nowhere with a fleet of ships over a hundred years old, armed with super rail guns that shatter a ship's hull integrity with one hit regardless of shields. And then Mandalorians fly a concrete brick towards Jacen Solo's Star Destroyer and kneecap him before loving off to kill some Moffs.

It was so absurd it was almost good.

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Fetus Tree posted:

those books ruled and are some of my favorite SW books

Actually they're bad. There's one thing to be said for having high concept ideas, but its another thing to actually write about them. And so we got a series where five pages would describe Boba Fett's armor and how he was smarter than everyone else, and Kuat of Kuat talking to Kuati Kuats of the Kuat System which orbits the star of Kuat in the Kuat sector about the future of the Kuat Drive Yards that Kuat of Kuat inherited from his father Kuat of Kuat.

Though I guess it was funny that Fett scared Bossk of his own ship by rigging a microphone to pretend to be a bomb.

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Professor Shark posted:

This actually interests me, which story was it? tia

I think that the story with the armored personnel carriers was The Fall of Gondolin.

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Did anyone here read the book where a thirty year old woman obsessed with a Ben Skywalker's dead cousin dressed up like a stripper and proceeded to molest Ben when he was 14 years old? While torturing his best friend to death in front of him?

Yeah it was a Troy Denning book.

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Oh yeah, that's real. It's in the last Legacy of the Force book, Invincible. After turning into Darth stupidname, Jacen Solo convinces Tahiri Veila to join him by giving her Force Fantasy sex with Anakin Solo just before he died. She captures Ben Skywalker and his friend Lon Shevu, and proceeds to strip him to his underwear, wear a leather dominatrix outfit, and start jerking the 14 year old off. And then torturing his Lon in front of him after sexual assault fails to convince Ben to turn evil.

This is also the same book where the Alliance decided to let Admiral Crazypants Daala run the whole galaxy. And Jacen dies after getting gutted with a space machete, dumped into a bin full of used syringes, and falls into a Star Destroyer's incinerator.

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blowfish posted:

a hallmark of a strong female character


ok is that book so bad it's a hilarious slow-mo car crash or is it just bad

Depends on how much enjoyment you can glean from two authors having an edit war appear as printed novels. Troy Denning and Karen Traviss hate each other, and spent half the time in their novels trying to contradict and kill off each others characters. Denning decided to curtail Traviss's Mandalorian storyline by shooting a Boba Fett and Clone killing nanovirus at Mandalore, essentially killing off all her characters from the Republic Commando series. Traviss did a one eighty and wrote "nuh-uh! No nanovirus could ever be that specific!" in her very next book.

Denning also treats the Mandalorians like goons who get outshot by loving Stormtroopers, and he has inexperienced maniac Jedi teenagers force push their hands through Mandalorian chests like they're loving Terminators. Denning loves to write Jedi as unkillable demigods who can literally pull force powers out of their rear end, like Luke projecting a hologram of himself over Jaina, tracking people across the galaxy using bloodstains, and using the force to blow apart pressure points on solid objects (in essence, taking the concept of Shatterpoint literally, instead of the more esoteric idea presented in the Mace Windu Novel)

The fact that any of this actually made it into the books just shows you how bad the editing and content control at LFL was. Who in their right mind would allow forum flame wars to be published?

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StashAugustine posted:

troy denning is literally the worst star wars writer which says a hell of a lot

Like how he treats all the women in his books? In Tempest, I think, he has two Dark Jedi butcher a female jedi and pin her dismembered body parts all over a public park. And he also made seventy year old Princess Leia dress up like a stripper with four arms.

Oh, and he wrote about bug orgies.

If women aren't loving in his novels, they're being beaten, or raping teenage boys.

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ThePutty posted:

i mean the gently caress off huge ships that broke the game engine

like, some mods made the arc hammer absolutely enormous and it just completely broke it's pathing and made it useless

Did this mod happen to be called Phoenix Rising? Because goddamn if that isn't the spergiest game mod I have ever seen. Every single mentioned planet in its canonical position on the Galactic Map, every ship to scale, and it took three hours to research a basic Star Destroyer.

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ThePutty posted:

it was probably something like that, yeah. i found the best mod was by those german steiner guys, at least back then it seemed pretty awesome

No the best mod is and always will be Absolute Corruption 2.4. It "fixes" ground combat by providing you with multiple fuckoff troops that can kill entire maps from your spawn point if you don't feel like slogging it out. I always loaded up a ton of ATAT MK2s and Dark Troopers and let them go to town.

Those german guys were Nomada Firefox, right? He had the really crappy overdesigned textures and would have bitchfits if anyone told him his sense of aesthetics was poo poo.

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Neurosis posted:

i only just bought empire at war what are the best mods?

Thrawn's Revenge, Absolute Corruption 2.4, and Republic at War are all pretty good.

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Kreia's beef with the Force in KOTOR 2 isn't really about the Force as it is about Fate. She wants to kill Fate because she cannot stand the idea of being enslaved to some higher power. In that way, she embraces the Dark Side sense of freedom from responsibilities, but she doesn't follow the Dark Side's dogmatic code either.

Basically, Kreia wants to kill the driving force behind the majority of human storytelling.

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Guri

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FlamingLiberal posted:

That actor is also a trained martial artist. Maul was the perfect role for him since he had like 5 whole lines and mostly just glowered.

And his five lines were dubbed over by Peter Serafinowicz.
Also, the guy who played Wedge is scottish, and every movie he was redubbed with a different person.
And David Prowse is also scottish, and got redubbed by James Earl Jones.

I think Star Wars just hates scotland.

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Milky Moor posted:

Actually, in RotS, Anakin had lost that fight before it began. He was reckless, angry, clumsy, unfocused and expended far too much energy. Because Obi-Wan is a master of Soresu and has at least rudimentary knowledge of all other lightsaber forms, he was able to tire Anakin out to the point where his defense was weak and he couldn't even jump high enough to go clear over Obi-Wan's head and avoid getting sliced to pieces. Anakin would have eventually tired out, no matter what, and Obi-Wan would have won. It was inevitable.

No stop you're dumb.

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Mumpy Puffinz posted:

the only EU thing I cared about was the N64 game

Episode 1 Racer is the poo poo. gently caress Racer Revenge though.

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Pondex posted:


"Does the Kessel-run in 18 parsecs" Boy that sure sounds fast! This ship must be amazing! There's no such thing as "The kessel-run". Sure, they retconned in a planet called Kessel later, but it was more likely just the brand of space-peanuts or whatever he was eating with his space-beer. Or the name of the prostitute he went and saw last night.



C-3P0 mentions Kessel like five minutes into the movie.

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ThePutty posted:

does anybody else think mon calamari is a really dumb name for a race of squid humanoids?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaROFFhpL4

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The woman in the background has only one leg. This being star wars I wouldn't be surprised if she's just a one legged species.

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Woolie Wool posted:

Did it give him space weasel herpes?

Actually, yes. I'm pretty sure the book did mention him getting a rash or something of the sort.
Other than that, Rogue Squadron was a pretty decent book with some relatively smart space combat scenes.

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Reminder to everyone talking about Rape in the EU: Troy Denning wrote a scene where a thirty year old woman in a dominatrix suit sexually assaulted a fourteen year old boy.

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gently caress you, GOTO is awesome. Crazy robot with broken logic that tries to "fix" the republic by pretending to be a person projected via hologram, but is really a mob leader who uses black market deals to stimulate damaged economies.

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Elukka posted:

Why would you go back to Hoth? There is absolutely nothing there, it was a useless uninhabited planet which is the entire reason the rebels picked it for their base and that base was evacuated- oh, of course, it was in the movies. Naturally it's an extremely important planet.

Please tell this to whichever jackoff working at Bioware thought that Hoth should be the place for a major battlefield in The Old Republic MMO.

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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:

onderon & dxun are objectively cool as poo poo

Narratively speaking, I hope. That moon is going to collide with the planet if it gets any closer, and the tidal forces should have blown Onderon to smithereens by now. Dxun is close enough to Onderon that they share the upper levels of their atmospheres.

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Death Troopers. And to keep the fanfilm ball rolling, there was a contest for this particular novel to come up with a fan "trailer" for the book.

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Mr.Pibbleton posted:

Has putting in modern references in Star Wars ever worked out?

Karen Traviss put in a Gabe and Tycho cameo from Penny Arcade. Gaib and TK0.

Also, IMPS The Relentless is cool and it has Peter Cullen narrating.

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Everyone remembers Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein, but I think that Brooks's adaptation of The Twelve Chairs was legit great and better than the book. Ron Moody and young Frank Langella are great together.

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Mr.Pibbleton posted:

They do quantify aliens by their ability to breed with humans, for example Twi'leks are considered near humans despite having brains in floppy tentacles since they're cross fertile, even with clones.



The clone trooper whose life was saved by the loving family had a hard time coming to a decision on whether or not to report the deserter clone dad for execution.

Actually, those kids aren't the Clone's. He's their adoptive father but their real dad was also a human, because even the writers of Clone Wars weren't stupid enough to think that they could get away with a Clone deserter having two kids when he's only been missing from army service for six months.

Also, that episode was set in Space Quebec which is why the Twilek mother sounded like an illiterate chucklefuck.

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Hingehead posted:


- Rancor
- Snow Speeder

"Oh no, the Rancor!" C-3P0

"Are the Speeders ready? Not yet, we're having trouble adapting them to the cold."

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pentyne posted:

Uh now you see the spice mines of Kessel were the only planet in the galaxy that produced the eponymous spice, and highly addictive substance that heightened reaction times and

wait no that's definitely dune.

No see Kessel is shaped like a potato and is within sublight (read: Non Hyperspace) distance of a dozen localized black holes!

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Woolie Wool posted:



Also has any Jedi made a buckler out of cortosis or freak metal and tried one-handed sword and buckler combat?

Not a Jedi, no.

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"An elegant weapon for a more civilized time, eh? Well guess what, times have changed."

gently caress Republic Commando was awesome.

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Improbable Lobster posted:

The space ship designs are the one thing that is consistently good in Star Wars, ignoring a couple of the really bad ones like the E Wing

gently caress you the E-Wing is the poo poo.

The Preybird sucks though.

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Gammatron 64 posted:

Yeah, that's an E-Wing that's been redesigned by a fan to not look poo poo. The actual E-Wing looks like poo poo. It's supposed to be the the newest, most high-tech fighter but it looks like a shittier X-Wing.



Still looks good. Look at the one on the right that's burning up. Looks like the redesigned one.

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I actually don't mind the K-Wing. Reminds me of an A-10 with a B-17's chin turret.

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