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Space Whale posted:I completely understand your logic and reasoning. I think it's bullshit. Apparently you are, because the adult thing to say would be "You're right, gook is a racial slur and I probably shouldn't use it" rather than digging your heels in like an obstinate pre-teen arguing with his mother.
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Space Whale posted:The point is that it's about making someone backpedal and using the sight against them indefinitely, or to drag it up whenever they please, or need it. If you don't want to be brought to task then either admit your mistakes or better yet don't use racial slurs at all for any reason. "Gaggle of gooks" is not, nor will it ever be, a real idiom, by the way.
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Dec 8, 2014 20:17
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Space Whale posted:If every little slight wasn't a trumpet call for the piranhas to come take a bite out of someone, and the person making the slight didn't have to always and forever be "that *-ist person" I'd be more inclined to play ball. Instead I've seen that when someone is apologetic it's like blood in the water, and that's stupid. That's just fanning the flames of "let's derail into beating someone up for a while" and then there's a long term, if not indefinite, period where the person who made the slight is just a whipping-person, unless they wise up and leave for greener pastures. Yes, and how has your tactic of wailing and gnashing of teeth gone so far? Not very well I'd say. All you're doing is cementing your reputation as "the guy who really wants to say 'gooks', which seems pretty drat counterintuitive to the goal of not being seen as a racist. Space Whale posted:Unless I'm mistaken, it's just an alliteration for "collection of things" like "mob of mooks" as a nonsense word. Then there was a Korean war and Gook became an insult, and to say "gook" in isolation is to be clearly racist. Space Whale posted:It sure was growing up in my experience. I didn't learn "gook" was a mutation of a Korean term which was a racist slur against southeast Asians until I was in my teens, and only then, it was a term used in isolation or a specific context. No, every time you heard "gook" that person was using it as a slur. It doesn't exist in a non-racist context. Just like there's not a context that makes where calling someone a "friend of the family" isn't racist. E: Space Whale posted:So it was a regionally tone deaf idiom which is seen nationally as racist? Fair enough, I won't say it in the future. No, it's still racist in your region too. Double E: it's good you'll stop saying it, regardless. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 20:33
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Space Whale posted:If I had kowtowed, would that have been the end of it this time? Yes Space Whale posted:Slope has a non racist context. Slope isn't gook. Space Whale posted:I certainly didn't know it was. What, did you think there was a Something Awful conspiracy to convince forums user Space Whale that the word "gook" is actually super racist when half a dozen posters pointed this out to you? I'll ask you again, you keep saying that had you apologized you'd have been ripped to shreds but how has refusing to do so gone for you so far? Do you feel you were successful in whatever point you were trying to make? Space Whale posted:I dunno they mock "The truth is in the middle" like pros. They aren't mocking, bro. 
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Dec 8, 2014 21:04
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Space Whale posted:Just because you don't see it as parody doesn't mean it isn't parody ok. No, seriously, they aren't mocking it and in fact there's a whole ideology about it. quote:South Park co-creator Trey Parker is actually a registered member of the Libertarian Party.[2] Fellow co-creator Matt Stone sums up their views with the comment, "I hate conservatives, but I really loving hate liberals."[3] Space Whale posted:Because in the end it's better for me if I don't show weakness, unless this is materially different from twitter/most other forums, that is. It might be! If that's the case I'll have two things to apologize for You are showing weakness though. Being overly stubborn in the face of good sense and the inability to man up and admit you're wrong show weakness of character. Space Whale posted:There is no "might" involved. If it would be better in the end to apologize, that's would be great! Except in this context, it isn't. Nevertheless, I don't owe a bunch of busybodies apologies like I hurt them. I don't even know their races, there was no mens rea, nothing. This is just "circle the wagons!" This all started because someone said "Dude, don't say gooks because that's a racist thing to say" and then you went goddamn apeshit trying to defend it. I guarantee that had you simply said "I never knew it was racist and I didn't mean it that way, but I won't use that word anymore" it would have been done and over with. It was your braying that it was totally not racist that summoned the wolves. And no, you don't need to personally apologize to anyone but you do need to admit you were wrong and shouldn't have said it. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Space Whale posted:Do you READ twitter? This isn't Twitter.
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Space Whale posted:As I said to twodot, do you read twitter? I've seen people apologize and get it far worse. On principle reconciliation is something I'd prefer, but if it comes down to "a little more poo poo now and less later, or more over time," I'd rather get it over with. Who What Now posted:This isn't Twitter.
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Space Whale posted:I'm sorry to any Koreans who are offended. You really seem to be hunting for something to feed your persecution complex so this could be a match made in heaven.
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Space Whale posted:OK, but what do I have to go by, the thing that matters and people know about, or the sole exception in my experience? What would you go by, experience or "well, maybe this time...?" I'm not sure which is which because Twitter doesn't matter in the slightest and I doubt it's your sole experience of online communities so maybe you should just go with the adult thing of "admitting I hosed up because I hosed up".
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Dec 8, 2014 21:29
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wateroverfire posted:Or maybe you shouldn't be such a prissy bitch about language you don't approve of? I mean, there are lots of options here. "Why won't you just let me say gook, friend of the family, spic, and wop without calling me racist?!"- 
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Dec 8, 2014 21:33
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Space Whale posted:Why should I play along with "you slipped up, ooooohhhhhhhhhh, better be sorry!" people? I really don't like busybodies and the time wasting inquisitions they start are something I want to make a point of illustrating and pushing back against! Because using racial slurs make you look bad and as you've been saying you are super concerned with people not throwing these things back in your face later. But somehow you haven't realized that by defending it for so long all you've done is cement the idea that you're the guy who really wants to be allowed to use slurs in a world of PC gone mad. How can you not understand that you are doing everything you say you didn't want to do.
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Dec 8, 2014 21:47
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wateroverfire posted:I think it's pretty ineffective IMO. You aren't supposed to feel bad, you're supposed to say "You know even though I can empathize with people who are in a much worse situation than I am I don't actually have a very good concept of what it's like to be currently living that life and I shouldn't assume that I do." That's it, that's all.
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Space Whale posted:Oh, I'm an rear end in a top hat. I've been formed, forged, quenched, tempered, ground, and honed into an rear end in a top hat. The chips on my shoulder have fine edges. I will own up to that. Literally the only thing we said was that gook was a slur and you shouldn't say it. Good goddamn you are loving stupid. If you want to go rage at Tumblr then go to Tumblr because all you're doing here is looking like a retard.
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Dec 8, 2014 21:54
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Space Whale posted:If I wanted to use slurs I'd still be using them. You did show weakness, dumbass. Being a stubborn prick is a weakness. Now you are the "gook poster". Great job. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 21:56
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Space Whale posted:Who loving made everyone keep harping on it? You did. By not admitting you were wrong at the start. You're so obsessed with being perceived as an Internet toughguy that you dug your own goddamn hole. quote:I take it you're not counting the posters saying things like "you should be sorry you're bad you're beyond hope I'm doing god's work". You're right, I'm not counting those posters because they don't exist in anywhere except in your mind to fuel your need to be persecuted. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Dec 8, 2014 |
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Dec 8, 2014 22:01
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Space Whale posted:I made them give me something to respond to. Yes, had you just said "I didn't know it was a slur and I apologize if I offended anyone" and dropped it then it would have stopped. This is all on you. quote:I guess I should ask for your ignore list? No one.
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Job Truniht posted:Deal with it you big baby. He did say something offensive. That does not mean you get to spend 5 pages talking about how outraged you are about it. No one is outraged, you giant pussy. We are, however, happily mocking him. And I'm content to do that until he wises up.
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Xibanya posted:And here I thought I was the only one who got a nice PM from him. Now I'm disappointed that I didn't.  Job Truniht posted:P-p-please stop bullying the racist for saying the racist things! No.
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^^^^^^^^ Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't have used those words. ______ Job Truniht posted:It's equally laughable to derail a thread and take things entirely out of context. I have a better plan to deal with people who say that poo poo: don't call them leftists. Ignore them. Marginalized them. Nah, I'm going to shame them and still marginalize them.
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SedanChair posted:I know right? I kept thinking he was on a higher level from me. Why so many saying you're white? I can count the times you mention your race on one hand.
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Space Whale posted:You might want to think about your approach to telling people "Hey this thing that is innocuous to you? It's a big deal to us. Not like you could have known, but it really gets people whipped up" instead of "you ist with the ism you are beyond hope you are awful apologize to us now." We did. You're response was "I've never heard it used in a racist manner ergo it can't be racist!"
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SedanChair posted:As you struggle to your feet, you realize this is not really a ditch and is more of a culvert. You have been laying in what is, in essence, a shallow depression in the ground. >CHECK PRIVILEGE
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Job Truniht posted:Alright, I can't say this any other way. There's no real nice way to say it. There's going to be backlash for that. You don't have to agree with it. It's entirely an opinion. Here it goes. Let me help you with this. Those "new wave feminists" and "SJWS" and all that? These people you're talking about don't actually exist in the real world outside of the Internet. You are all worked up over a boogeyman chariacture that you've convinced yourself is lurking around every corner and within every shadow.
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Job Truniht posted:They exist. I just posted a video of them in Portland a few pages back, doing exactly what I said they'd do. They exist in the same way that people scamming welfare exist. It's not significant. And if you obsess over them and go out of your way to only look for them then of course it's all you're going to find. It's like saying "I typed 'brown dog' into google and it's all brown dogs! Where are the black dogs?"
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Job Truniht posted:At first it was "they don't exist", then "they don't exist outside they internet", and then it was "they exist but don't matter". As you become increasingly pedantic so must I. Weird how that is, huh?
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Foma posted:I am not suggesting we take those sites seriously, I am saying that picking the smallest retard on the playground pointing and laughing at them might make you feel big, but doesn't make you big. We aren't bullying people, though. No one is going onto Conservapedia or Freep and harassing the people there. They are completely unaware that such threads exist and their lives are no worse for it. So while you can muster all the righteous indignation that you want it's completely misplaced in this instance.
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Space Whale posted:Well not SA specifically since Raids Don't Happen Anymore! Also forums like this are very much passe. I don't give a gently caress about other sites.
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