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Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Yuriy posted:

The worst part of this news is that were going to have to see wrassle posters talking about mma again while not knowing poo poo about poo poo

I eagerly await exciting topics like Meng, whether someone is a real shooter, and who is a "legit tough guy"

Here's a guy filming a computer showing butter bean fighting sean o'haire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50bd83lvnAw

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Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Dexters Secret posted:

Punk is an incredibly driven individual and I think he has a decent chance of defeating another UFC rookie. But even if he doesn't, it's not gonna be a big deal, other than his next fight won't be as much of a draw. He's doing this for fun anyway, and is a writer for Marvel now.

I think all the remarks that Punk is gonna get literally murdered is comin' from people that are just upset deep down that this nigh-clenches the fact he's never returning to the WWE.

Posts like this are the best and I sincerely look forward to more people who have never watched an mma fight ever in their lives commenting as well

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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SaberToothedPie posted:

Who sucked worse before they signed with an mma org: Punk or Kimbo

Kimbo had some form of fighting experience before even if it was against people they found in a kmart parking lot whereas punk backhanded an innocent man in a wrestling crowd once which I believe is his only shoot fight

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Perdido posted:

Excuse me sir, it should be noted that Punk also got into a legitimate (NOT WORKED) shoot fight against one Teddy Hart in the middle of a Denny's or some poo poo many moons ago.

Teddy hart should start training his cats for mma once he gets out of jail for rape or whatever

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Spermgod posted:

its almost like mma, much like wrestling, is more spectacle than sport....

when it's doing things right, yeah

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Endorph posted:

all of the wrestle posters are already making fun of him for going into mma dude

Most are but there are people in this and other threads who are legitimately convinced he has a chance

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Tatum Girlparts posted:

It strikes me that as soon as the third guy comes out it stops being a fight and more a mini riot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GixDXD44_yA

Edit:fb

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Aurain posted:

I'm sure it was followed by "Fedor would WRECK Cain Velasquez, I don't want my pure sport being ruined by scumbag "actors", PRIDE never die. Fedor! Fedor! Fedor!"

You'd think a pride fan would be stoked about pro wrestlers coming in for freak fights

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Captain Log posted:

Why do people say, "I want to see the MMA purists get mad."

Do you guys think the people who post here are MMA purists?

mma posters here like to see mma "purists" get mad too so I'm not sure why you're assuming they're referring to goons

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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This really is pretty much the most ridiculous thing possible. Even the pride and dream freak shows usually involved guys with some sort of background in a martial art. Even Jose canseco had more of a fighting pedigree

Aesop Poprock fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Dec 11, 2014

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Viper_3000 posted:

Is it the best move for the UFC as a sport? gently caress no. It's pretty awful, and his fighting career could turn out horribly. Especially if you think of the UFC as MLB and every other promotion as the minors. (Even Jordan didn't jump right into the MLB when he played baseball)

Is it the best business move for the UFC? Absolutely. They just locked up a guy with huge name value, who can't go to any of the competition or back to WWE. He's going to pop a buy rate with his first fight and Dana and Lorenzo aren't stupid, they know how good he is in front of a camera/with a microphone. If his fight career doesn't work out, he's going to make a killer commentator/analyst/host for any number of shows they produce because he's a huge MMA nerd.

I love punk and am irrationally stoked about him being involved with UFC, I just can't imagine any way this doesn't turn out absolutely cringeworthy in regards to him actually fighting. Punk on UFC commentary would be insanely good though

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Detroit_Dogg posted:

Like I know yall like the guy a whole bunch but are you loving serious anymore or am I getting poo poo thrown way over my head.

Punk knows mma and was a very good commentator. I think he will be a horrible mma fighter but he's one of the best talkers and commentators in wrestling, is verbally and mentally quick and is knowledgable about how things work in mixed martial arts. I would be legit shocked if he wasn't at least good at it. JR isn't nearly as well versed in how mma works as punk is and he was still decent at it.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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oatgan posted:

Punk's wrestling commentary was mostly him saying things to amuse himself during horrible segments he wasnt very good at calling the action. I'm not sure this would translate to MMA unless he was riffing on d-league fights

That was nxt, he's done tons of commentating in Indy promotions and he was great at it

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Detroit_Dogg posted:

Guys who commentated legit sports couldn't find success with MMA, hell guys who commentate MMA full time aren't good at it but yes I'm sure the professional wrestler who pals around with a Gracie will be a great commentator.

Based on the standard that no one is good it probably wouldn't be too hard to at least match it, but really at that point it generally shouldn't matter if everyone else sucks

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Detroit_Dogg posted:

Goldie is a really big fan of the NFL, has worked NHL and college football games, therefore I expect him to be an excellent NFL announcer.

Mma and pro wrestling are a lot more alike than football and mma. A lot of the time they're literally the same thing

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Could god crank a kimura so tight, even a Gracie would tap to it? makes u think

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Detroit_Dogg posted:

Idk, but God can force a corner stoppage after 90 minutes of fighting

God works in mysterious ways

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Detroit_Dogg posted:

idk because yesterday was kinda one long bender that started with brunch mimosas. Probably like 2 and a half tall gin and tonics, 3 Flying Dog beers, a whisky, and then there might have been a random cider throwin in there.


Also I'm glad yall enjoyed it.

It was good

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Critical posted:

Hendo-Bisping was literally the only UFC event I've ever watched live. Nothing on this planet will ever get the reaction out of me that those two punches did. They really played up how much of a oval office Bisping was because I didn't feel bad about that happening at all.

if you don't get a literal erection seeing bisping get his rear end kicked by anyone than mma is the wrong entertainment for you

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Cro cop had a few knockouts in Pride where it looks like his foot just gracefully gives someone a haircut without making contact, its why he owned. pride was just the ecw of capitalizing on fighter's strengths and covering up their weaknesses so everyone thought they were better than they were, which is why pride also owned

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Dangersim posted:

Z-packs work great for when you have some mild bronchitis and poo poo like thar, mrsa is serious poo poo beyond what it's designed for

I get Z-packs for bronchitis once or twice a year along with steroids because my lungs are piles of asthmatic trash

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Fartbong Bonersatan posted:

So the reason we're running out of working antibiotics is because of the WWE and the doctors of the posters in this thread throwing Z-paks at people like candy.

They work really well for me and it's nice that I can just text my doctor and ask him for the prescriptions as opposed to having to go in for appointments multiple times a year

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Ty1990 posted:

lmao this thread has legit turned into mma guys vs wwe guys. you're all gay.

There are more cool fyad guys into wrestling than there are into mma, that's how i judge which is cooler

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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vainman posted:

Jake Shields

It's hard for me to weigh how funny this would be against how hard it is for my eyes to stay focused when Jake Shields is fighting

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Fozzy The Bear posted:

Please help me to understand, as a person who has watched very few professional wrestling tv shows. If it is all scripted, all of the drama is fake, correct?

Other TV shows occasionally have backstage drama, like one actor doesn't get along with the director, they have the writers kill off his character. No one ever accuses the main producer of a long running soap opera of being a business mastermind. Who decides what drama around Vince Mcmahon is real life drama, and what is scripted drama? If an ex-WWE performer talks smack about Vince, is there anyway to find out if he is just building drama for his exciting entrance back into the show?

When a poster said:

Isn't the drama just scripted so that when CM Punk comes back to the WWE there is more to talk about on the show? Brock Lesnar got out of the circus of the WWE, fought in the UFC, then went back because of fake drama with Gravedigger?

Who decides what drama with WWE is real, and what is scripted?

Not being able to tell which drama is real and which is just fake-real is kind of one of the draws to following wrestling as a business. It used to be a lot more obnoxious in the 90s in that the internet made more people interested in the behind the scenes stuff so wrestlers and especially "edgy" writers like Vince Russo would work the fans (and each other in some cases) to make fake drama seem more realistic. Honestly it's not too different from MMA fighters and boxers claiming they have problems with each other before a big fight. Most of the time it's just showmanship for the fans, but sometimes there's an element of actual dislike between them or even outright hostility.

Wrestling is still a really carny business but UFC and especially PRIDE are/were not really too different overall. It's become increasingly common in wrestling ever since the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Screwjob with Bret Hart in 97 for wrestling organizations to take real life conflict and spin it into a fictionalized version they can make money off of. In the case of CM Punk he might be exaggerating his problems with WWE to an extent but considering other wrestlers who have spoken out against McMahon and the WWE once they've left it it's extremely likely most of what he's saying is true and it has nothing to do with any sort of wrestling stoyrline or hype machine. Wrestling more than any other entertainment medium I can think of is always blurred between reality and fiction but it's generally relatively easy to read between the lines if you're familiar with how the business works.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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1st AD posted:

I think the UFC is similar in it's business/contracts but the way they conduct themselves is way different. For starters, there are very few cases where a dude has been straight up buried despite winning fights, and usually it's someone like Jacob Volkmann who they kept off TV because in his first post-fight speech he intimated that he was gonna beat up Obama.

They're similar in that Dana White would have no problem having guys go out and fight doped out of their minds and injured if MMA didn't have to walk on legal eggshells with state athletic commissions

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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NickRoweFillea posted:

Vince and Punk were actually really close if I remember correctly

I don't think anyone is "really close" with Vince McMahon

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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MassRafTer posted:

And this person was? I've never heard that and it sounds like the New Jack story with names removed and NXT added.

My favorite New Jack thing is when he was on Art of Wrestling telling Colt a story about how he jerked off with his friends as a kid with the passion most people would save for an awesome story about your glory years and Cabana gets increasingly baffled and terrified

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Breaking news: CM Punk drinks beer now

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Punk's wrestler wife AJ unfollowed him on twitter and he posted this soon after

quote:

Coach ‏@CMPunk 11h11 hours ago
Hello to wasted hours. Bottoms up to Better days.

so he's getting divorced and drinking, now everyone has to like him cause he's basically a country singer

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Keg posted:

Those are lyrics to a Less Than Jake song.

Ew

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Luigi Thirty posted:

Vince hates Raven. Someone hired Raven. Vince doesn't know until he sees him on TV and screams "WHO THE gently caress HIRED RAVEN" and demands they fire him.

This is one of those stories I really doubt happened considering Raven was made hardcore champ within like two months and was given a championship match at Wrestlemania with Kane and Big Show when they still kind of mattered soon after. Not to mention that he remain employed from 2000-2003

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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OneThousandMonkeys posted:

It cannot be over-emphasized how little the hardcore title mattered in the scheme of things in which it existed. If Kane and Big Show are in a match with Raven, it's so Raven loses to them. That is Raven's only Mania match in four years with the company and he was barely on TV after that.

99% of the hardcore title run was guys considered too unimportant and untalented to go elsewhere on the card and have a garbage match.

Yeah but post that the Invasion happened and Raven was not even close to one of the top guys who got left behind in that mess. It's not really a fair standard.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Apparently he is, and I was surprised to discover he actually has a winning record

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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He's ready...

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Bluedeanie posted:

Are gay pinups a thing, because I feel like that's the exact pose a gay pinup tattoo would have

actually no, gay people don't enjoy porn or nude depictions of people of the same sex so the idea of this is ridiculous

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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DannoMack posted:

I prefer to watch good mma fighters fight each other and then watch comedy shows for the funny stuff

This is a really bad opinion to hold

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Fushin posted:

He is training at a top level camp with top level athletes. What makes you think he will be below average when it's all said and done? And do you really think Dana won't give him a title shot one day regardless of how he does? Money talks.

Are you familiar with UFC at all because that's not generally how they do things

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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vainman posted:

CM Punk is going to run the 400m at the Olympics for America because he believes in himself and money talks

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Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


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Ty1990 posted:

Seriously. He was a good pro wrestler and entertaining therefore he would be a good mma commentator? Maybe the play by play guy can be Ric Flair.

Terrible comparison because there's no way that wouldn't rule

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