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Willie Tomg posted:Ahahahahahahah after a few days of confinement and 24 hours of stress posture torture the CIA ascertains the prisoners are CIA moles who have been trying to get in touch with the CIA for months But my Tom Clancy fantasies.... 
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Volkerball posted:Let's get real, no government anywhere is going to arrest itself because of the UN. The best we can hope for here is reform and transparency for the future, which isn't unlikely considering that the report really outlines how much of a failure the torture program was. Near useless for information, incompetently run, huge drain of money and effort. It's pretty clearly not the way forward no matter where you stand ideologically. We can still call for justice even if we have no realistic expectation of such. And we already knew torture was useless, that didn't stop us. Consider it a symptom of how out of control the CIA and war machine are.
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Volkerball posted:We are holding the policy accountable for what it's side effects and consequences were, instead of just saying hooah, torture owns. The policy is on trial, not the people who were responsible for it. That's still really important. Even more so actually. Throwing someone in prison isn't going to un-waterboard anyone, but we can call for steps to prevent it from happening to others in the future, and now is the time to do that. We already knew torture was ineffective. At best we may stop it for a little until we decide to do it again.
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Dec 9, 2014 21:54
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Volkerball posted:Torture being effective or not was divided down partisan lines among the general public. All but the fringe left deemed it a necessary form of information gathering because it worked for Jack Bauer. Yes because propaganda works. It's been known for a very long time that it's not a good way to get information, but the USA government really digs torture for itself and it's allies. That should tell you something.
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Dec 9, 2014 22:44
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Ardennes posted:So you're saying that popular American television programs have been used for right-wing to far-right propaganda for years? Possibly as justification for Supreme Court jurisprudence only.
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Fun fact: The DoD's PR department is almost the size of the entire State Deptartment in terms of people.(around 30,000)
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euphronius posted:It's arguably not rape because it was not part of a sexual experience, but, yeah. It probably was. No it's not "arguably not rape". Also pick your loving battles, gently caress.
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Panzeh posted:The fact that the perps don't end up dead in a ditch somewhere for this shows it's going to happen again when someone asks the CIA to do something. What would stamp it out is a purge. They'd have to think someone did something wrong for that to happen. Burn the CIA to the ground.
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Dec 10, 2014 00:41
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Pycckuu posted:Zeitguiest, what do you think? You are our local expert on dungeon torture/rape here at D&D. You're dumb and should stop being passive/aggressive about things. vvvv If we actually care about something we can find the money easily. That should tell you all you need to do know about the US Gov't.
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I don't think that folks should be executed for this, they should be imprisoned. For the rest of their lives. In a non-torturous prison. You have to realize that if you have a stance against the death penalty, and for prison reform, you are arguing on behalf of the bad people as well as the good.
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If you thought the CIA was some amazingly competent super-spy-force before this, you haven't been paying attention.
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Dec 10, 2014 17:57
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ActusRhesus posted:Uhm...it's the federal government. Of course it's incompetent. It's not necessarily a post aimed at anyone specifically, but a significant number of people in this country think the CIA is, at least, competent, but then history.
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Dec 10, 2014 18:13
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Radbot posted:I'll say it again, anyone who complains about the incompetence of the gubbermint has never worked at a very large company. Oh yeah, every time someone trots out "businesses will do it smarter and better than government" I laugh in their face.
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Dec 10, 2014 18:19
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UberJew posted:Also everyone involved with the torture program and everyone who authorized it including President Bush and everyone who protected it including President Obama are war criminals who should be prosecuted by an international court and imprisoned in humane but effective conditions for the rest of their natural lives.  And with none of that likely to happen it's funny when folks complain about political apathy.
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Rand alPaul posted:11% of Americans are cool with anal rape and 30% are cool with threatening to rape their family members. Hey hey, chill out with that "rape culture" stuff you're gonna start to sound like a Tumblr SJW.
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