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tsa posted:
Nah, the message is so holy that the only reason people would misinterpret it is if the Bad People are keeping them from understanding.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:So is anyone running a counter for how many unarmed black people have been murdered by poice this year? It seems like there's a new killing every 3-4 days. So much like rainfall, below average for many parts of the country for this time of year.
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May 24, 2015 15:25
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Samurai Sanders posted:Over the years I have seen so many cops post on the internet about the importance of force escalation rules so I am wondering, are they all from police departments where that is actually practiced, or are those just their own personal convictions that their coworkers don't necessarily have? Many police departments serve predominantly white areas.
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May 26, 2015 19:47
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flakeloaf posted:
Not true for like 15 years now.
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Jun 2, 2015 14:32
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Samurai Sanders posted:I assume they can just laugh this off like any other UN or otherwise international NGO's damning of their behavior? I'm curious how other nations stack up personally.
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Jun 19, 2015 05:10
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Homicide statistics are the least standardized metrics available and some countries (e.g., Japan) actively try to minimize them by misidentifying deaths.
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Jun 22, 2015 17:50
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http://deadspin.com/florida-state-seminoles-qb-suspended-allegedly-punched-1714018003quote:Sources say Johnson was involved in an argument with the woman after she cut in front of him while they were waiting to order drinks at a bar near the FSU campus. Witnesses told police the woman raised her arms and then Johnson grabbed them and punched her in the face.
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Jun 26, 2015 17:48
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Booourns posted:Either you can be for cops shooting everything they see, or else you want them to not have guns at all. This is totally black and white I would be okay with them tasing this dude too.
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Jun 30, 2015 03:37
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chitoryu12 posted:If anything, Judge Dredd is actually far superior in his judgement to modern American cops. Only people who actually present a threat or commit capital crimes are killed, and Judges are punished orders of magnitude more harshly than civilians for the same crimes to discourage them from corruption. But black people always present a threat. 
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Jul 18, 2015 02:24
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Spacman posted:Stereotype all police as cold murderers... (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 22, 2015 16:58
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Marijuana legalization really needs to be accelerated, if nothing else to get rid of "I smelled pot" PC. This thread has shown that cops are willing to make up any story if they feel like it. Besides, I think some data's been done and it still shows that minorities are disproportionately ticketed or otherwise found to violate marijuana laws even in the legal states.
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Jul 27, 2015 18:10
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Nobody ever referred to users though? It doesn't make sense to prosecute the people whose incomes weren't checked by banks either, the bank employees and their managers and executives are more analogous to dealers and traffickers. I think the difference is that operating a bank is not inherently illegal (cue  posts ) while dealing drugs is.
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Aug 4, 2015 18:36
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Hell, if anything, it's probably better now than before. The Zoot Suit riots are an interesting read because during them, enlisted sailors would go around beating up minorities. The really interesting part however is an account of how some sailors held up some minorities, called the cops, and then the cops beat up the minorities themselves.
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Aug 5, 2015 03:23
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Congress probably could do a lot more to federalize the police under the 14th amendment given a sympathetic supreme court You could standardize due process but that's already done more or less.
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Aug 13, 2015 01:38
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twodot posted:I think there's two levels to have discussions around unfair sentencing, one is "The US has a super hosed up number of people in prison, we should do something about that", something can include economic, legal, and other reforms that would reduce the rate we put people in prison. Another is "The sentencing guidelines/requirements for crack possession in Georgia are racist and garbage and should be lowered". The first one requires that we talk about people and statistics, the second one can talk about individual cases and states (though crack possession sentencing is garbage everywhere). Actually I don't know if they are separate. I've seen reports that in terms of rates of people arrested & convicted, the US isn't really that far above others. What does set the US apart is that sentencing is much longer than equivalent crimes in other countries. This adds up to having more people in prison even if the number of people entering prison is not that different.
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Aug 19, 2015 19:05
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twodot posted:While I agree they are related, it's simply not practical to simultaneously talk about national statistics and sentencing guidelines which are specific to a crime and a jurisdiction. Maybe you can say "US sentences are, in general, too long", but this doesn't actually tell you how to fix the problem, or even what the real problem is, you need to look at the books at each state and federally, and figure out which individual laws are bad, and by the time you get there, I think it's reasonable to start talking about individual cases. There are certain aspects that are widespread, if not universal - Mandatory minimums and 3 strikes laws, for example. New York's repeal of those laws has lead to a drastic decrease in their prison population, just looking at the abstract.
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Aug 19, 2015 19:32
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VitalSigns posted:If I could make one small change to the constitution, I would make it so a state's representation in congress and therefore also the electoral college is proportional to the number of votes cast in the congressional elections, not on the number of adults in the state regardless of their legal or practical ability to actually vote. Kinda hard to do with Single Member Districts.
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Aug 20, 2015 04:10
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archangelwar posted:Yet none of this speaks to the success of the system in rehabilitating prisoners or producing beneficial social outcomes. What factors would you use to determine if a system is good at rehabilitation? You've already said recidivism is at best an incomplete measure.
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Aug 20, 2015 15:38
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Uroboros posted:Isn't this exactly what we do with parole boards and the medical boards that put people back on conditional release when civilly detained? Honestly you just come off as obtuse by asking for specifics you know you aren't going to get out of this thread. Of course he isn't going to know the proper make-up of the "board of professionals" or whatever you want to call it that generates the criteria on which a person is deemed safe to release back into society, but certain standards have already been set. I work at a detainment facility for violent sexual offenders, and as far as I can tell none of them should EVER be released. In fact, the place acts as a life sentence by introducing standards of rehabilitation they will never meet. I think the point is more that this doesn't really add anything to the existing parole system other than removing a maximum prison duration, which isn't really a good thing. Of course there are also issues to the parole system (when people are released, anyway), so comparing them might be more fruitful discussion.
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Aug 20, 2015 17:12
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archangelwar posted:I think that might be simplifying it a bit too much because I think part of the success is due to public perception and acceptance. A WPA for ex-convicts program in the US might not be as successful without changing cultural perceptions, and I certainly think that current norms might result in a WPA program that is poorly designed, such as one where uniforms are required, pay is intentionally low, or some other form of otherization or stigmatization is allowed to creep into the program. Certainly this should not stop us from trying, but I do feel that the US needs to put extra effort into these areas and apply broader learned lessons from other cultures. I don't know if we're really comparing apples to apples in that case, though. Like, in the US welfare featured massive amounts of support until the stereotype of "welfare recipient" changed from white to black. I don't have information on Norway's prison demographics, but I suspect that association is that of a poor white person who (to borrow from earlier discussion) made a mistake.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:41
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There's a Frontline episode on Netflix called "A Death in St. Augustine" and geez it's incredibly skeevy. It's the same sort of attitude as in Ferguson.
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Aug 21, 2015 02:00
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:My fault, was working from memory - its violent crime rate is one of the highest in the US (somebody's doing the raping), but the murder rate is in the middle of the pack. Sweden actually has double the rape rate as the US the last time I checked, which was surprising.
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Aug 21, 2015 17:10
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Would the reasonably likely scenario of "couple sends nude photos, couple breaks up, nude photos exist among their friends" count as distributing child porn? (Mainly directed at those who want a Romeo & Juliet exemption)
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Sep 22, 2015 02:32
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Starshark posted:Yes, because you no longer have the consent of the person of whom the photo is taken and you are exploiting that photo sexually. What answer did you honestly expect? I was curious at what point kids should be charged as adults.
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Sep 22, 2015 02:57
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Terraplane posted:Here's the horrifying account of the shooting of Idaho rancher Jack Yantis. A car hit his bull and he was called by the Sheriff's Office to go deal with it. He arrived to a bullet riddled but still living bull, as the officers had tried to put it down but were apparently too inept to actually kill the creature and at some point they gave up trying. He got his rifle and went to kill the bull (which is, according to the account, something he's done before) but just before he shot an officer grabbed his shoulder and spun him around. The natural motion of this movement would obviously and necessarily lead to a man pointing a gun suddenly pointing said gun in the general direction of the police, and so the officers opened fire on him. His wife, a 62 year old woman, tried to help him so obviously they forced her down in the middle of the street and cuffed her. She then had a heart attack. The bullet riddled bull slowly suffocated on its own blood over the course of the next couple of hours. Oh poo poo, that's my uncle's neighbor. Never met him but my uncle's been talking about this for a week now.
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Nov 8, 2015 18:18
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chitoryu12 posted:I'd guess the latter. Remember that it used to actually be outright legal for police to shoot at fleeing suspects who weren't dangerous and less-lethal tools like pepper spray and Tasers are relatively recent inventions. I'd be willing to bet that police brutality in America is so ingrained because it has an extremely long history, and it just wasn't until the past few years that you could expect almost anyone on the street to be carrying an HD camera with the ability to upload straight to online social media at all times. For that matter, it was only in the past 20 years that the Internet became such a major part of world culture that news could start traveling rapidly around a country or worldwide. How many deaths exactly like Michael Brown or Freddie Gray occurred in the 60s and 70s and were just never questioned, or were questioned locally but never had the Internet to turn them into an international phenomenon? Look up the Zoot Suit riots if you really want a fun time. Hint: They're called such because the people the rioters (mostly Navy Sailors, but some police too) beat up wore Zoot Suits, not the other way around.
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TheImmigrant posted:I don't like cops. I expect much more of myself and my justice system than I expect from them. Why would you expect less from the people who ostensibly protect and serve you
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