Dum Cumpster posted:

... but the outcome we got wasn't unacceptable, just sad.

Dead Reckoning posted:

Who is going to pay for it? Regular force-on-force classes aren't cheap, and are going to difficult to justify in the context of limited budgets when most police will never fire their guns outside the range.

Dead Reckoning posted:

It wouldn't be much money. All the homeland security stuff is provided at little cost, having been already bought, paid for and used by the federal government.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

MRAPS are free and the reason they are free is because nobody wants them. DoD tried to sell them and even the sort of tinpots that are usually all over a deal on armored peasant-murder-machines wouldn't touch them. Police departments mostly just park them on a backlot somewhere and bring them out once a year for the county fair.

Mavric posted:

Ugh if only we could use this massive military budget to send experts to train local police forces not to act like scared white gun owners, but alas, all the money is tied up producing equipment no one needs.

Rah! posted:

An excellent post

hobbesmaster posted:

Ex military stuff is free to police departments, so outfitting a swat team costs literally nothing.

Voyager I posted:

They are separate problems. The contracts exist to let military industrial shitlords sell more hardware. The cops getting their leftovers is just a side-effect, and if you stopped that from happening the government would just throw them all in a pit or whatever because the contract still says they have to buy X whatevers per year.

TheQat posted:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tulsa-sheriff-stanley-glanz-fbi-closed-investigation tulsa sheriff claims FBI exonerated his department in the reserve deputy shooting

ActusRhesus posted:

Lol learning something from the Michael brown thread. Because the opinions of people in the internet are way more compelling than the actual released case files.

shrike82 posted:

Some of the images/videos floating around are ridiculous e.g., black kids cutting up a firehose while firefighters are trying to put out a burning building.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Waco Panty Raid posted:

If everyone knew about these violations then why wasn't anything being done before?

Spacman posted:

No, I believe that the police should be thoroughly condemned because of 'the few bad apples', likewise I think the rioters should be thoroughly condemned because of 'a few bad apples'.

I think there is zero difference between the two sides in this. Anybody who has a few bad apples spoiling the bunch should be equally thrown into the maelstrom of violence.

Spacman posted:

Really? The National Guard rolled out in uniform and armed. They rode in in MRAPS , the military is currently enforcing the civil authority in one of your cities an you think the police are the issue?

Really.

Spacman posted:

I dunno matey, you have the local military locking down one of your cities. You should ask them this dumb question. Maybe they will shoot you in the scone with a rubber bullet.

I can only hope.

Spacman posted:

Matey, I'm not your enemy. I'm just saying that you might not want to waste you bullshit on me because you literally have the state military called up by and crawling about a major city under curfew because your white cops like killing black guys.

Spacman posted:

You are not my wife. You are not my Mother.

So I feel confident telling you to shove your head up your own arse and choke on your own poo poo before demanding anything of me

Zeitgueist posted:

"No, gently caress you, female!"

blackguy32 posted:

I find that its amazing that people in general are so super focused on the riots that they forgot the cause of a lot of these riots is a man ending up dead with nobody providing any answers and the city asking for peace after it loving killed a man for simply running from the police.

Ima Grip And Sip posted:

This may come as a shock, but someone who can fill their lungs with that much air to yell that loudly and repeatedly can in fact breathe. That's why the cops probably don't give a gently caress... The video proves the man is breathing just fine, and probably making it worse by his own actions.

happyhippy posted:

Still waiting for the autopsy to be finialized, so to base what happened around that.

Cichlid the Loach posted:

My favorite one was from a report, I don't remember which incident it was, that said the suspect struggled or whatever, "at which point an officer-involved shooting occurred." Verbatim. drat these free-floating officer-involved shootings, spontaneously coalescing on top of these fine upstanding officers!

grah posted:

Pretty much this entire incident was on camera, and the MTA union pitched a huge fit about it (as they should have), which probably helped get a fair take on the incident put out there. Also, since cops and transit personnel often have to work together to deal with unruly or indigent customers in the system, this sort of assault is a huge breach of trust. Transit workers in New York aren't really very otherized to the NYPD in most cases, so it's a very atypical case.

grah posted:

Oh my bad, I thought you were presenting it as a counterexample to how police are portrayed. I misread you totally, my bad!

Paper With Lines posted:

tsa posted:

Instead of claiming some passive voice conspiracy done of you should probably just crack open an English book.


No this is just confirmation bias, you have literally no evidence to back this up.

Spun Dog posted:

I was trying to point out how the media changed their description of the incident once they found out it was a cop. Initial reports were about how a Huge Thug/Hulking Brute assaulted the MTA employee. After it was determined he was a cop, passive voice took over and there were a bunch of "allegedly's" thrown around.

Zeitgueist posted:

Radish posted:

Hahaha, no.

http://www.abqjournal.com/247508/news/state-settles-lawsuit-over-tasered-child.html

ABQ Journal posted:

U.S. Magistrate Judge William Lynch approved the settlement – the precise amount of which is confidential – at a hearing earlier this month, and the lawsuit was dismissed Monday with “no admission, finding or implication of negligence, liability or wrongdoing” by the officer, Chris Webb.

Lemming posted:

He was probably trying to joke back. The kid made a joke by raising his hand and saying "I DON'T want to clean it, ha ha" and he was probably trying to make a lovely police brutality joke, and then did it for real.

I say this just because tasing a kid for no reason in broad daylight is so egregiously, monumentally stupid I don't think anyone would do that on purpose. Pointing a taser at a child is already monumentally loving stupid, though.

Samurai Sanders posted:

Just to make sure, that's the kid who was sitting in the park alone and then the police officer is on camera almost running him down, jumping out of the car and immediately shooting him, right?

Trabisnikof posted:

That reminded me, lets check in on those cops that ran a guy off the road as part of a motorcycle gang....

Oh right, the trial is just beginning.


Lets check in on their arguments:


And lets see how they're describing their behavior:


Yup, punching through a broken window to make the hole bigger is just normal cop behavior. Just like participating in dangerous criminal activities and not stopping someone getting beaten and just driving off (never calling 911 or reporting anything in the meanwhile) is "reacting like a cop."


Also there are texts from the officer from the day before that are were concerning enough his handler was worried (with bonus OWS police surveillance):




Oh yeah and of course the good part:

Rent-A-Cop posted:

poo poo like this is why nobody takes these people seriously. Fuckin' upper-middle class children desperately seeking some kind of authentic proletarian experience because their entire lives have been a meaningless glide from the womb to a mid-level corporate vice-presidency.

VitalSigns posted:

I like how if black people protest, they're race-baiting, and if white people protest they're inauthentic

flakeloaf posted:

But he was acquitted anyway, either because the jury really hates druggie vandal squatters or because they believed his claim that Devine, who was very much hosed up on drugs, tried to resist his good-faith attempt to evict them from his house.

pathetic little tramp posted:

No sources yet, but from the judge: the officer who shot him is going to be charged with murder, the officer with him will be getting negligent homicide.

Dead Reckoning posted:

"Some other cops shot a black guy, so why can't these cops throw aside all human sentiment and gun down one of their co-workers in the middle of a hostage situation?"

Lemming posted:

I guess that's a fair point. He's definitely going to jail, but might be treated with kid gloves still.