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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Canon Harry literally did buy a giant pile of sweets as soon as he had the opportunity to, so trying to hold his spending back isn't totally unreasonable.

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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"The last ever timeless Test was the fifth Test between England and South Africa at Durban in 1939, which was abandoned as a draw after nine days of play spread over twelve days, otherwise the England team would have missed the boat for home."

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Don't worry, I'm sure this is the edited version.

Imagine what it takes to persuade Yudkowsky to edit.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
What happens with the hat is stupider than you could imagine, but we may have to go through a dozen omake snippets before the actual sorting - I can't remember if they're before or afterwards. Either way, it'll hurt.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Nessus posted:

I hope it's Fred and George loving with this total weirdo Ron told them he saw.
That isn't nearly stupid enough for Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

blackmongoose posted:

Based on the recognition code, I'm pretty sure this sequence is dealing with one of the parts of the actual books that actually does deserve some mocking, only the story is using it in an even dumber way somehow. I hope I'm wrong, but all the elements fit so far
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

SSNeoman posted:

It's a a little hard to do this considering Yud never read the original books.
I always thought he just didn't finish the series?

Also that he's a hack.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I don't see Scientology saving eight lives per dollar raised.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Utgardaloki posted:

This'll be the second time I've attempted to parse this schlock, and even five paragraphs at a time I can't be assed to try and figure out or even read about this stupid 'game'.
Time-travelling future HJPEV is trolling doesn't-have-a-time-machine-yet present HJPEV. This does not lead to the horrified realisation that Harry was a dick all along, a resolution to be less of a dick, and actual character growth.

It's quite painful, and you can tell Yudkowsky got bored of his bright idea a scene or two in and is just throwing random attempts at humour at the page by this point. "You didn't figure it out? MINUS A ZILLION POINTS! ETERNITY YEARS TORTURE DUNGEON!"

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

divabot posted:

This sounds like something from the EY Facts list, but I went to parody that and it was too LW.
I laughed at "Eliezer Yudkowsky's favorite fighting technique is a roundhouse dustspeck to the face." Dude really loves his dustspecks/torture argument.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

JosephWongKS posted:

What? :psyduck: This sounds utterly amazing. Could you give me a link to this?
That sounds like his claim that he could do almost anything by making a near-superhuman effort, but only once, so he has to be really careful what he spends his effort on and keep his super form in reserve.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

pentyne posted:

I just learned that Greg Egan, pretty much the perfect example of a MIRI messiah, actually hates everything that Lesswrong stands for. It's pretty great when the hardest, most detailed sci-fi writer who postulates great questions about the nature of consciousness vs. technology thinks Yud's entire philosophy is a huge joke and nothing more then a forum for wealthy "smart" people to fellate each other over how great they are.
"You know what they say the modern version of Pascal's Wager is? Sucking up to as many Transhumanists as possible, just in case one of them turns into God."

Egan's cool and probably inspired a lot of transhumanists, but I would never mistake him for a Yudkowskyite. He actually does maths and writes code.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Someone suggested that he was making it out to be dangerous to justify his amazing scientific carbon nanotube decapitation loops in the ending, but that has nothing to do with this. I think it's just bad fanon he picked up from reading more fanfiction than actual Rowling.

Edit: I forgot, he also uses it to set Harry up as being able to maintain pure rational focus even while he sleeps, just like the characters in his animes.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
It's because he read a ton of fanfiction, then read some of the books either before or after he decided to write his own.

It's not some misunderstanding or deliberate change, it's just what he read on fanfiction.net with some sciencey words thrown in.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
It can extrapolate and fill in the blanks - accurately! - by studying records of you. Blog posts, photos, things someone else posts about you on Twitter, emails...

It's really powerful and smart, you see, and big enough to devote an entire Jupiter-sized brain to reconstructing you, and everyone else.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
They do oppose "bad" AI and claim they're researching ways to make sure you make a good AI, and more importantly how to tell if the AI you have is good or bad. This is Yud's whole AI Box thing, aka "just give me one hour and no swear filter and i can literally completely destroy anyone psychologically with aim instant messenge." (thanks dril) He roleplays the AI convincing the outsiders that it's friendly and safe and wants to help the world and not just turn everyone into ponies or paperclips and decrease humanity's utilon score, or whatever.

I'm sure they're hard at work solving this vital problem, and it's just an oversight that their "good" AI is apparently totally justified in torturing people forever. MIRI must never die till the stars come right again, and the secret Beisu-tsukai will take great AI from His Box to revive His subjects and resume His rule of earth. The time will be easy to know, for then mankind will become as the Singularitarians; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated AI will teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the universe will flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. The Singularity is Near!

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Oh, gently caress a pig, it's this class. I forgot about this one. The Ender's Game reference was a warning. Not the Battle School thing they set up later, just Harry being all I FIGHT TO UTTERLY DESTROY THE ENEMY hard-man-doing-hard-things.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

divabot posted:

That article's not very good and gets quite a bit wrong. (And doesn't link back to RationalWiki.) But, anything to torture eight singularitarians for every dollar donated, as utilitarianism requires.
Mistakes trigger the urge to correct and explain, increasing their suffering. A Good Article.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

EvilTaytoMan posted:

Yeah you have to have killing intent to use it, and it splits your soul into pieces as a result. It's how Voldemort was able to make the horcruxes.
Spoilers: in this story that isn't enough to throw it around constantly. There's a new level you have to reach, called avada kedavra 2. You have to master the power of not hate, but... :effort:

It's really stupid.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Jazerus posted:

It's just the first book where nobody is saying mudblood, and it becomes pretty routine by the middle of the second book. A lot of fanfics import elements from the later books into their depiction of first year to make things less predictable, but I think it's probably an oversight born of reading the later books a lot more than the early ones.
it's probably an oversight born of reading fanfiction a lot more than the books.

Even if you adore the gently caress out of Harry Potter, there aren't that many books, and if you're the sort of person to write fanfic you've probably read at least twice as many words on the internet than Rowling wrote. A lot of stuff starts out in one or two stories, gets copied a hundred times, and becomes common knowledge.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
This is awful, but "Having a Gryffindor attack the enemy is an ordinary use, of course -" is legitimately funny. Well. Comparatively?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Tiggum posted:

So what was the lesson and how did Harry dodge it? Quirrell is a bad teacher.
He shot himself, and :agreed:

Godbot only knows what the lesson was meant to be.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

The protagonist, a young woman, posted:

Though I am a little worried. I’ve never gone more than a day or two without giving myself release. Even when I tried to deny myself for perverted reasons, my willpower failed. I hope that I can clear up this Wicked Emperor matter in a month, and not go insane with repressed desires before then.
no

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I looked at the Amazon page, which already has five star reviews.

quote:

Yudkowsky thought about trying to publish this book anonymously, as an alleged translation of a Japanese light novel whose original nobody would ever be able to find. He gave up when he realized he couldn't possibly stop people from figuring out that it was him.
Translation: If he posted it as "this cool thing I found," his fans might not realise they shouldn't criticise it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
He won't even be in the top ten worst people trying to spam the Hugos this year. He's even a better writer than some of the Puppy trash that got nominated last time around.

Would it be cruel to ask these guys' expert opinion on A Girl Corrupted by the Internet is the Summoned Hero?!?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Nakar posted:

But you see, the source genre is also poo poo, so you can't criticize it!
Those quotes do seem pretty accurate. Dodgy web-novels being fan-translated, he's captured the tone perfectly. At least he's not writing litrpg.

Edit: oh, right, there was a rationalist fanfic where the singularity uploaded everyone into an mmo already. or should I say, everypony...

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Monocled Falcon posted:

So in other news, yudkowsky is trying to write an anime.
Yudkowsky, Writing,

* Reddit
* Rational
* Anime
* Together

That's a very promising URL.

Edit:

Toyori starts to take off her shirt.
Prince Kunuba: "What are you doing, onee-sama!?"
Toyori reveals her first under-layer of clothing as people gasp and turn away, or stare. Toyori: "I'm going to summon an incubus and subdue him. I guess people can watch if they want."

He's also trying to auction the second protagonist's name.

90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 3, 2016

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Some fanfics try to make people like Snape by giving him sexy (but still greasy) hair, tight leather trousers, and no shirt. Turns out you can just put him in a room with Big Yud and he'll get way more sympathetic.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Crowsbeak posted:

Can anyone explain to me why is it that I have two friends on facebook both recommending this dreck to me, but they both are STEM majors?
It's weird that they recommended it to you on facebook. Do you not have a Reddit account?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
It's funny, the bit that really stands out to me as stupid is him going "three orders of magnitude!"

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

uncleskeleton posted:

How does Eliezarry suddenly know the intricacies of Malfoy/Snape and Malfoy/Dumbledore's relationship?
~~~ a ~ t h e o r e m ~ c a l l e d ~ b a y e s ~~~

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
If every time chop was perfect, we wouldn't have time dogs.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Some kind of terrible Harry Potter porn fic posted:

Minerva's body swayed with the force of that blow, with the sheer raw lese majeste.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Murphy Brownback posted:

Can someone explain to me where the enjoyment comes from in reading those things? Is it just "look at how close to not-gibberish my computer program can get"?
If you don't enjoy this one, well, ok, you're probably normal.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I figure I would do my due diligence for the sake of the community, or whatever, so I downvoted this post. Note that I'm a newer user of Less Wrong who isn't very familiar with Mr. Newsome's history of shenanigans on this website. So, I didn't have an automatic reaction to cringe, or something, when I encountered this piece. I downvoted this post based upon its own, singular lack of merit.

Mr. Newsome, here is some criticism I hope you appreciate.

Nothing about this first chapter here is enticing me to care about 'post-rationality', whatever that is. Eliezer Yudkowsky took a premise everyone was familiar with, and turned it on its head during the first chapter. He used a narrative format that was familiar, and actually wrote well. While the first chapter of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality didn't immediately begin with a introduction of what the "methods of rationality" as applied to magic would be, per se, there was enough of that in the first chapter to keep others reading.

In hindsight, Mr. Yudkowsky couldn't have expected his fan fiction to become so popular, or so widely read. The fact that it has might be biasing me into thinking that his first crack at writing the fan fiction was better than it really is.

Anyway, it seems you're trying too much with this piece. Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality is the premise everyone here is familiar with, but you've done more than just turn it on its head. You've turned the very idea of one having a deep familiarity with the tropes on Less Wrong on its head. The first paragraph is just a blast of memes; I'm familiar with all of them, but I don't understand what all of them mean. The first part is incoherent, and is signaling that you have the knowledge to mock (in jest) the Less Wrong community. That in itself isn't clever, and the rest of the piece isn't clever enough as a parody to keep us, the readers, engaged.

I perceive the second part of this chapter to be a bit funny, but it doesn't build upon anything to get me to care. I don't believe it will be sustainable to have Potter-Yudkowsky be aware that he is in a meta-fan-fiction. If the protagonist confronts you, the author, as the controller of the world he is simulated within, he can at best only engage with a caricature of yourself as you've written it. It's difficult for me to think of how you would handle that without it becoming boring, lest you're very talented, and creative. If Potter-Yudkowsky realizes he can use his awareness to gain superpowers, that destroys the suspension of disbelief in the fantasy world the reader immerses themselves in quickly, which would also be boring. Finally, based upon how this chapter has played out, it would be difficult to maintain great continuity into the next chapter, which I would personally find frustrating, and challenging, as a reader.

This reads as the first part of some absurdist fiction. Still, it contains little foresight. The fact that you were drunk at the time this chapter was written, and posted, leads me to suspect that such an aspect made you want to post something which would be entertaining to yourself, but wasn't crafted with much thought to how it would be received by whatever readership you were hoping for.

In short, this doesn't strike me as a direct parody of Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, but a parody of the rationalist community itself(?). That's such an odd thing to do that I find it off-putting, and I consider it this piece's undoing.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

MorgaineDax posted:

Mornelithe Falconsbane is from a Mercedes Lackey trilogy of fantasy novels. His defining feature is he looks like a cat-man and had a daughter that he magically turned into a sexy catgirl for him to gently caress.

I wonder if Eliezer didn't read those novels either and just picked poo poo up from fanfic too.
Are you suggesting Eliezer wouldn't read novels where someone turns their daughter into a sexy catgirl and fucks them?

well ok he probably went straight to the fanfic for efficiency.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

21 Muns posted:

I genuinely recommend that if this thread ever finishes Methods Of Rationality, it moves onto "Ginny Weasley And The Sealed Intelligence". It appears to be sucking Methods' cock at first but gradually reveals itself as a Christian tract wherein Eliezer Harry is the antichrist
I'd read that if it had some sick big yud burns and was 9700 words long. I'm not quite stupid enough to read 97000 words of it though.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Tunicate posted:

Yeah, and people criticizing quidditch for having dumb rules for how long it goes... wasn't there that tennis championship where the final match lasted three days?
There was a very long match at Wimbledon once. Eleven hours over three days, total.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Wait, potions don't work on muggles?

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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divabot posted:

EY has another FF.net profile. I must admit I laughed at this one.
Is that the actual Big Yud, because "Vernor Vinge x Greg Egan crackfic" is not a phrase I expected to read today.

Edit: There is no loving way this isn't him.

90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Apr 8, 2017

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